And what about this then?

Leeds City Council has ordered the noise of a herd of cow to be monitored for a year, after a dispute between two neighbours about excessive mooing spilled into a planning hearing.

James Bullock, of Swillington just outside of Leeds, played councillors the sounds of cows mooing during a retroactive planning hearing for a barn to house animals at neighbouring Swillington Organic Farm.

‘The noise has been intolerable. I have to lie there in bed listening to this bellowing,’ he said.

That’s what happens when you live next to a farm. You have the sounds of a farm next door to you.

What do you think happens in the country?

46 thoughts on “And what about this then?”

  1. Speaking as one of yokel stock, I am sad to say rural Britain has become full of moaning twats like this.

    I do wonder what went through their tiny minds when they decided to move to the country…

  2. @TMB

    As a fine a specimen of reverse nominative determinism as I have seen; somewhat spoiled, however, because bullocks are castrati and what he complains of may well be the grief-stricken cries of mothers deprived of their newborns. Happens in my village too: every spring, for about a week or ten days after calving, the mothers set up an unholy racket while their babbies are being confined in veal crates.

    As the farmer correctly states: ‘Cows only moo when they’re unhappy’.

  3. Do agree with the general point given some of the fvckwits I have as upstairs neighbours complaining about the trees in my ground floor garden blocking their light, when they bought their flats with the trees already in situ.

    Here though, not so simple. Seems it was a new barn built near to the domestic house and use was then changed from hay to house cattle. So is not general farm noise but a new building whose use as a cowshed was not in the planning application. General farm noise fair enough, but a new building next to your domestic property maybe not.

    As a city boy, what drives me mad is roosters in the early morning

  4. I live not by a farm but in suburbia, and there is a field next to my house used to keep cows (and, yes, they were there when we moved in). The noise is not a problem at all.

    Brand new cowshed next to my house might different, I suppose.

    In principle i’d rather see people do what they want on their land but at risk of having to repair damages to neighbours. Not sure how it would work out in practice, though.

  5. Mr Bullock should try changing his name.

    We have plenty of complaints like this out here in the countryside Farmer converts several barns into new houses, then the new occupants are up in arms when he builds a new set of modern barns on the other side of the road, complete with cattle and/or grain dryers. What did they expect?

  6. Too many people like the idea of living in the country, but not realities of the country as other peoples workplace and livelihood. There is a special place reserved for such people, it is called Surrey.

  7. No country property, however small, should be without a few acres of rough woodland to protect itself from the neighbours.

  8. Slightly off topic but…

    When I was learning to fly somebody moved into a house next to the (WW2 era) airfield. The house was called Touchdown.

    Despite the airfield having been there since ~1940 and the house being at the end of one of the runways the new owner immediately started a campaign against aircraft noise.

    His constant campaigning and badgering eventually led to a reduction in flying hours and introduction of new ‘noise abatement procedures’ (not flying over his house)…

  9. Swillington is a former pit village beside an A-road and about half a mile from the M1. Oasis of bucolic peace it isn’t, though incomers might so view it.

  10. Happens in my village too: every spring, for about a week or ten days after calving, the mothers set up an unholy racket while their babbies are being confined in veal crates.

    Given that veal crates have been illegal for more than a decade, I find this somewhat unlikely.

  11. Hold on, Retroactive planning permission for a barn?

    Prior to this, were Swillington Organic farm actually raising cattle, or is this actually new?

    “…The dispute is centred on a farm building close to Bullock’s home, which was originally granted planning permission for use as a hay barn.

    Bullock complained after the barn began to be used as a cow shed. ”

    So, a change of use then, especially when you consider the need to clean all of the manure up.

    Given that the place is slap by the M1, is within five miles of Leeds city centre (Timmy, that’s really not the countryside, you do need to get out of London a bit more….) and considering how much excrement and noise those creatures do make, he might actually have a point.

  12. Can’t help wondering if the words “Organic Farm” mightn’t be telling us something here. My experience, organic anything produces in the user or supplier such a profound sense of holier-than-thou as precludes normal consideration of others.

  13. @ASM “he might actually have a point.”

    Not really. If the nuisance is standard for agricultural use, then the farmer is within his rights. Mud on the road apart, but that isn’t an issue here.

  14. I’ve been all over the world and I reckon you can’t beat a properly rural English village – like the one I live in, as it happens. I even like the smell of muckspreading on the fields, though I’m glad we don’t have to put up with it all the time…

  15. Democracy in action. The farmer gets one vote; the townspeople get all the rest. Doesn’t matter if the farm was there first. Why we need a republic, and not a democracy.

    A shooting range I was a member of in VA was closed due to noise complaints from a neighborhood next to it, even though the range had been there for decades, and the developers of the neighborhood knew it.

    Shuffeltown Dragway in Charlotte was closed due to a Charlotte noise ordinance. The dragway was not in Charlotte when built, but Charlotte grew until the city limits engulfed it.

    SC and NC have specific state laws prohibiting the displacement of existing shooting ranges. That doesn’t stop neighbors from trying to get them closed on safety grounds. At the range I am a member of now, a local cop I was talking with there said he responded to a call from a neighbor who complained of his house being hit by errant fire. Upon arrival, the homeowner showed the cop the cartridge in his garden that hit his house. Yes, cartridge. Not bullet – cartridge. I laughed for five minutes.

  16. BiC

    something similar here – except it was RC model planes on a WW2 airfield and most of the time the old trout in question had to climb the hillock at the end of her garden to hear the things – she complained about gliders too….

  17. According to the paper I was reading in the doctor’s this afternoon, the bloke complaining is the farmer’s brother. So less urban lack of understanding of the countryside, more a good old rural family feud from the Archers.

  18. “No country property, however small, should be without a few acres of rough woodland to protect itself from the neighbours.”

    Spot on.

  19. Its sad to hear the cows mooing like this. The farmer must find out what problem the cows have….check for abuse from intruders, workers, any disease or pain they may have. Afterall they are living being n do feel sadness n pain like we do. Further the practice of taking the babies away from the mothers is really horrid n causes the cow extreme sadness n stress….i personally coudlnot bear listening to their painful cries….

  20. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    I thought the only green space in Leeds was at Elland Road….

    My house, where we used to live was in a village in Austria & was 100 yards from a church. The bells going off at 6am each morning was bad enough, without all the Papist singing on Sunday mornings.

  21. I used to play cricket in a particular part of the country and one of the villages had played on the common since some time in the eighteenth century. Didn’t stop some wankers who had just moved into houses next to the common complaining about it. I think they revaluated their priorities when pikeys briefly occupied the common instead.

  22. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Five miles north of Leeds most certainly is in the country, It’s slap in the middle of Wharfedale. It’s an odd feature of the OS map for the area: below the fold it’s conurbation and above it it’s green. You could take a train from Leeds or Bradford Forster Square and be in Weeton Ilkley in no time, and be in open country shortly thereafter. If I still lived in West Yorks I’d probably have moved to Ilkley.

  23. Rob, that’s the court case Miller v Jackson, worth reading for Lord Denning’s dissenting judgement with its beautiful eulogy of village cricket.

    The cricket club seems to have survived (, but the neighbours who complained moved away shortly after the court case, I imagine for their health.

  24. @Bloke in Cyprus, July 13, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    Same with Mallory Park racing circuit – it too now has reduced use and noise orders.


    btw: Heathrow noise – I’ve lived in Feltham & in Heston and aircraft noise inc Concorde didn’t bother me. Also, aircraft were louder in early 90s.

  25. “btw: Heathrow noise – I’ve lived in Feltham & in Heston and aircraft noise inc Concorde didn’t bother me. Also, aircraft were louder in early 90s.”

    I was born and dragged up in Stanwell and my first job was in Colnebrook. So yea, I remember and enjoyed all the noisy aircraft…

    …we LOVED Concorde! Everybody watched Concorde every day, she was so beautiful – who cared about the noise?

    40th birthday treat – New York to Heathrow, 3 hours, 19 minutes.

  26. Denning on cricket in Miller v Jackson [1977] QB 966:

    In summertime village cricket is the delight of everyone. Nearly every village has its own cricket field where the young men play and the old men watch. In the village of Lintz in County Durham they have their own ground, where they have played these last 70 years. They tend it well. The wicket area is well rolled and mown. The outfield is kept short. It has a good club house for the players and seats for the onlookers. The village team play there on Saturdays and Sundays. They belong to a league, competing with the neighbouring villages. On other evenings after work they practise while the light lasts. Yet now after these 70 years a judge of the High Court has ordered that they must not play there any more. He has issued an injunction to stop them. He has done it at the instance of a newcomer who is no lover of cricket. This newcomer has built, or has had built for him, a house on the edge of the cricket ground which four years ago was a field where cattle grazed. The animals did not mind the cricket. But now this adjoining field has been turned into a housing estate. The newcomer bought one of the houses on the edge of the cricket ground. No doubt the open space was a selling point. Now he complains that when a batsman hits a six the ball has been known to land in his garden or on or near his house. His wife has got so upset about it that they always go out at week-ends. They do not go into the garden when cricket is being played. They say that this is intolerable. So they asked the judge to stop the cricket being played. And the judge, much against his will, has felt that he must order the cricket to be stopped: with the consequence, I suppose, that the Lintz Cricket Club will disappear. The cricket ground will be turned to some other use. I expect for more houses or a factory. The young men will turn to other things instead of cricket. The whole village will be much the poorer. And all this because of a newcomer who has just bought a house there next to the cricket ground.

  27. “And the judge, much against his will, has felt that he must order the cricket to be stopped: ”

    Why? The tyranny of shit laws passed by shit politicians.

  28. Bloke in Costa Rica – We’re not talking five miles north of central Leeds, which gets nice and rural very quickly because the wealthier suburbs like it that way. We’re talking five miles east of Leeds, by the A1-M1 link road at Garforth, where the Brexit voters probably live.

    You’re not really in the countryside, you are surrounded by wind turbines, wasteground, an ever expanding set of light industrial and low rise office units, an ex-mining town and you’re really unlucky, a place on the flight path to RAF Church Fenton / “Leeds East,” or whatever they are calling the airport this week.

    PCar – Same with Thruxton (That’s long been limited upon it’s race days) and even Brands Hatch. Clue is in the name. Who buys a house there without checking what is nearby?

    Bloke in Cyprus: I lived near Heathrow for three years. It was fantastic, sunsets that were neon orange like something out of a movie due to the fumes, aircraft noise that was never that intrusive due to triple glazing upon my Grandmother’s house (It was literally custom made, frame by frame, when it was installed in 1978.)

    I think the reason was my grandmother was ex-Imperial Airways back before Heathrow was even built. They helped pay for it as she presumably could legally object to aircraft noise because she’d lived there prior to Heathrow existing as a civilian airport.

    “…we LOVED Concorde! Everybody watched Concorde every day, she was so beautiful – who cared about the noise?”

    I came to. I found an education about it in the bookshop in the runway viewing area above the old Queen’s Building/T2. The British really need to stop deluding themselves about Concorde. It was a shocking waste of money and ultimately, it was the end of an industry:

    “Fallacies and Fantasies” – R.E.G. Davies

    “Provocative, timeless research and well-written commentary that will be reluctantly repeated if not heeded.”

    It’s worth finding and checking out as a book.

  29. Bloke in North Dorset

    I left the Army just after telecoms deregulation and joined GEC corporate networks. My job was to plan and manage the installation PBXs in GEC factories and offices which we then connected to the corporate network, which had breakouts in each BT exchange area. This was during the early ‘90s recession.

    I went to a factory in Essex and was surprised to find it surrounded by a new housing estate. The MD told me not to bother as they were closing it and moving production overseas.

    They made fans that extract fumes from tunnels and were so successful that even in the recession they had to work 24 x 7. They warned the planners when the housing estate was in planning but it made no difference.

    Needless to say, as soon as the houses started to be occupied they were inundated with complaints about the noise and large lorries going through their estate.

  30. @ASM Concorde was an engineering marvel, but an economic failure (for reasons* I’ve given before). It’s certainly the most beautiful airliner ever built (in the air at least – it can look a little gangling on the tarmac, but its natural environment is the mid stratosphere).

    It’s a pity development wasn’t continued. In 1970 we could buy a ticket to cross the Atlantic in 3 hours and put a man on the moon. Today, not so much.

    * The early 747s required a significant first class load to be economic, which a mixed fleet of SSTs would have cannibalised.

  31. ASM said:
    “RAF Church Fenton / “Leeds East,” or whatever they are calling the airport this week”

    It’ll be London York soon.

  32. I have a similar problem. I’ve just moved to an unprepossessing semi in Ely. The bloke next door is a maniac. For hours on end he plays with his trainset making woo woo noises and he seems to have recordings of steam trains he plays at the same time. When he’s not doing this i can hear him tapping on his keyboard day and night with the odd shout of tax gap , Brexit and other unintelligible phrases. He spends an inordinate amount of time on the phone shouting at either a chap called jeremy or john begging them to reconsider. I presume from the pathetic pleading that these are ex lovers?. I tried to talk to him about this especially, as he’s dumped what appears to be a derelict citroen berlingo on my drive. Unfortunately he turned even brighter red than usual, and through spittle flecked lips shouted “frankly your time here is done!”whilst turning sharply and slamming the door in my face.

  33. One of the oddities of the 1974 local government reorganisation that most “metropolitan” council areas were drawn so huges that they are 80% countryside. Conversely, the non-metropolitan city council areas were drawn too *small*, eg Nottingham.

  34. The British really need to stop deluding themselves about Concorde.

    I don’t consider myself deluded…

    She was/is a beautiful aircraft but sadly not an economic success because reasons.

    But I consider myself extremely lucky to have worked on some of her electronics, watch her take off almost every day and eventually get to fly on her.

    As Chris Miller said above, it is a shame that development wasn’t continued and the plug was pulled after a single accident.

    Concorde was a project that most people I ever met were extremely proud of.

  35. Someone I know used to let a farmhouse as a holiday cottage. She genuinely received a letter of complaint from a party who were upset that the fields were “too bumpy” and demanding that they be rolled for a convenience of visitors

  36. Odd though that when you move to London and complain about the Islamic terrorists killing people on the street, you’re told thats part and parcel of living in a big city……..

  37. “It’s certainly the most beautiful airliner ever built”

    I see your Concorde, and raise you one Lockheed Constellation.

    Pan Am Clippers have to be up there, too.

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