Well, yes, didn’t we say this?

First they came for the hoodlums. Now they’re after you
Zoe Williams

Asbos were once used to clamp down on unruly teenagers. Now they are being used in petty disputes between neighbours

I’m sure we did you know. Allow the State power and it will, in the end, be used against you. It’s rather the liberal argument against the entire Guardian project, isn’t it?

9 thoughts on “Well, yes, didn’t we say this?”

  1. My joy will be complete when she needs to complain about not being able to buy a filleting knife and that some travellers are enriching her neighbourhood

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    As social norms break down, the state needs to step in and replace community relations built around trust with the heavy handed and expensive legal system.

    We have replaced morality, self-restraint and decency with the legal process.

    Great if you are a QC. Sad for the rest of us.

    I think there is a proper libertarian solution – give everyone an AK-47. In a generation or two we will be the politest nation on Earth once more.

  3. Whereas ASBOs should only be used to punish those expressing opinions Guardian columnists don’t like. Ain’t that right Zoe?

  4. From article:

    …made possible by the scotching of the antisocial behaviour order legislation, and its replacement in 2015 with the community protection notice. This is designed to be easier to impose than an asbo, and so it has transpired: no evidence of the offending behaviour is required, and a magistrate need get involved only if the subject of the CPN appeals within 21 days

    First they came for the hoodlums, and we did not speak up, because teenagers get on everyone’s nerves. But next they’re coming for you, with your party-wall dispute. And your only defence will be: “But he started it.”

    “No Evidence is Required” – another of May’s totalitarian laws, like “Hate Crimes : No Evidence is Required” law.

    Absolutely disgusting.

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    “I think there is a proper libertarian solution – give everyone an AK-47. In a generation or two we will be the politest nation on Earth once more.”

    Anecdote alert.

    We did a project in Dallas not long after Texas passed a concealed carry law. I drew the short straw and was duty driver for the hire car on our first weekend.

    When we got back to the hotel that evening and were being taken out for a meal by the red neck concierge, who we’d befriended, in the hotel mini bus I mentioned how polite and tolerant other drivers had been when I’d made a couple of driving errors. Dead pan he replied that they weren’t sure if I was carrying.

  6. BiND:

    “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” – Robert A. Heinlein

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