Here’s the basic problem – again

Female Home Office employees are refusing to use new £36,000 gender-neutral toilets because they feel ‘distressed’ by their male colleagues leaving the cubicle doors open

Sure, perhaps it shouldn’t matter. Equality, the needs of the trans, mean it shouldn’t matter perhaps.

But, you know, actual human beings seem to think it does matter. Therefore, in a world with actual human beings, it does matter.

New Soviet Man didn’t turn up to enjoy socialism and that’s the problem with too many of these progressive plans, they require something other than people to staff them, populate them.

My own view is that any designing should be done around the people we’ve got, not a hope of electing a new one. But then I am an old fuddy duddy.

38 thoughts on “Here’s the basic problem – again”

  1. “Female Home Office employees are refusing to use new £36,000 gender-neutral toilets…”

    So, errr, without being indelicate, what are they using instead?

  2. I’m tickled by this. The sorry of place that’s chock full of lefty feminists who helped create the identity politics industry and expect their every whim to be looked after (rather than “don’t like it here, fuck off”) are getting a dose of their own medicine over trans politics.

  3. Yes, well. Anybody who could think about having 5 cubicle loos made “gender neutral” wouldn’t have done it.

    It’s like the pathetic argument about home loos being gender neutral. It is trivial to have a gender neutral loo when it is single cubicle. And who has multi-cubicle loos at home?

  4. So, errr, without being indelicate, what are they using instead?

    It’s the Home Office – they’ve simply gone from just pissing on the hopes and dreams of the British population to crapping on them.

  5. I’m tickled by this. The sorry of place that’s chock full of lefty feminists who helped create the identity politics industry and expect their every whim to be looked after (rather than “don’t like it here, fuck off”) are getting a dose of their own medicine over trans politics.

    Yep. What’s apparently good for me is good for thee. Suck it up, ladies.

  6. If you don’t leave the door open, how do you know the cubical is unoccupied? Door open = unoccupied, door closed = occupied. Surely everybody knows that? Have these people never existed in a space where more than one person exists?

  7. Off topic but I thought this might tickle some, in Switzerland there’s a little hoo-hah over a doctor offering homoeopathic treatment for homosexuality.

    It’s funny to see the media being ooh-ah shocked about the notion of treating homosexuality, but not about the proposition that homoeopathy can treat anything at all…

    On another level it’s scary, because right-think clearly trumps science in our modern world.

  8. Judging by the most vocal supporters of gender neutral bogs they should have installed urinals only toilets.

    The feministas want to show they’re the same as men, as do the trans males and the trans girlies rarely have the tackle removed and therefore best do it standing up.

  9. The basic problem is that there are too many women in the workplace — a strategy designed variously to increase the output of the human farm, to dissolve societal bonds, and to make the farm animals (i.e. the taxpayers who fund the unspoken pact between politicians and the banks) reliant on an all-powerful state.

    It has the added advantage of causing massive inflation, especially of house prices, since in order to run a family two salaries are now needed rather than one. This is turn reduces the capacity of taxpaying parents to bear the cost of raising children: the white birthrate has collapsed, providing a neat justification for mass immigration from the Third World. All part of the plan.

    The fact that it is women in the Home Office who are complaining about another aspect of the globalists’ strategy is a delicious irony: they themselves are complicit and, whether they are aware of it or not, deserve everything they get.

    As for spending £36,000 of our money on a set of bogs, that is perfectly typical of an out-of-control public sector. Myself, I’d give ’em four buckets and tell ’em to provide their own sawdust.

  10. “The basic problem is that there are too many women in the workplace”

    There’s plenty of women who are good workers, but the public sector is rammed with women, because they’re processes are terrible so they need an army of bureaucrats and women are better bureaucrats than men.

  11. @jgh ‘If you don’t leave the door open, how do you know the cubical is unoccupied?’

    It sounds like the problem is men peeing with the cubicle door open. The solution to that is raising the recruitment standards.

  12. jgh:

    If you don’t leave the door open, how do you know the cubical is unoccupied?

    I think they mean the men are leaving the door open while they take a piss.

  13. “I think they mean the men are leaving the door open while they take a piss.”
    Apparently 3 year university degrees are no longer enough.

  14. “Why on Earth didn’t someone ask, why do we have separate toilets in the first place?”

    It’s for the same reason (prior to 1977) we had separate railway carriages.

  15. Same sex toilets are not about the sharing of spaces, it’s because the ladies always need to queue, while guys, who can use urinals, don’t. This is the patriarchy at work and must be fixed. Mixed sex toilets means cubicles only therefore everyone can queue happy in the knowledge we’re all equal.

  16. Mixed sex toilets means cubicles only…

    There’s always the sink if someone doesn’t feel like queueing…

  17. “Mixed sex toilets means cubicles only…”

    In France, I’ve seen mixed with urinals. Where the girls (and boys) had to walk past the urinals to get to the cubicals…

  18. “There’s always the sink if someone doesn’t feel like queueing…”

    Tim did say “electing” rather than “importing”.

  19. Female Home Office employees suddenly discover the world no longer revolves around them. Well colour me fucking surprised!

  20. ” women are better bureaucrats than men.”

    I disagree. If they were, State bodies that are female dominated (such as the NHS) would function far better than they do.

    I would posit that all organisations run better (regardless of whether public or private) when largely managed by men. The evidence of the last 70s years supports this theory. The wartime economy was a male run command economy, and it managed to fight the Germans pretty effectively. The NHS worked pretty well while it was largely male organised (and female staffed at nurse level). The nationalised industries may have been financially terrible, but the actual production was fine, if anything producing too much into flooded markets. So men have never had a problem running State bodies and departments – its only in the last 30-40 years that the cracks have started to appear in the actual practical delivery areas, rather than of the ‘We spent how much to mine a tonne of coal???’ type. The NHS is falling apart at the seams, not because it hasn’t the personnel, or the money for drugs etc, its falling apart because the mainly women who run it aren’t doing so.

    There was a very interesting bit on the BBC website the other day about the junior hospital doctor recently who was involved in a childs death, and was barred by the GMC from practising, but reinstated by the courts. In this long article there was a section about a study that had been done on the Leicester Hospitals Trust group of hospitals (which included Leicester Royal Infirmary where this doctor worked) to investigate after the fact how many of patients who had either died in hospital, or within 30 days of being discharged, had received substandard care. They put a team of medics together and went through each case on the basis of the notes, deciding what should have been done, based on the data in front of them, and what was actually done. They found that in 25 % of cases patients had received substandard care:

    Teams of doctors and nurses were tasked with going through the records of patients who had either unexpectedly died in hospital or died within 30 days of leaving between 1 April 2012 and 31 March 2013. It didn’t look at paediatrics.

    They focused on a sample that would help them identify systematic clinical issues. This is where you learn the most, Dr Hsu says.

    In large rooms set aside in the hospital, the teams pored over patients’ notes looking at the kind of care they were receiving and identifying things they thought had gone wrong.

    The bar was set high – a team of doctors or nurses had to be unanimous before they agreed a patient had received poor care, Dr Hsu says.

    When Dr Hsu came to tally the results, he did not believe what he saw. “It was shocking. Based on what I read I was expecting around 10% of patients to have received unacceptable care,” he says.

    But in fact nearly a quarter of patients in the report had received “unacceptable care” – serious errors had been made that would have increased the risk of harm.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/the_struck_off_doctor

    So if you die in a Leicester hospital, or within 30 days of leaving one, there’s a 25% chance they either caused or contributed to your death. This is the nature of the NHS today, as I’m sure the same applies to every hospital Trust in the country. It can no longer function in a practical manner, because of the nature of its management, and I would argue that is because it is largely run by women.

  21. It’s not really news that trannies outrank feminists in victimhood poker. That’s been going on for a while. As Schlicter said, you’re going to hate the new rules.

  22. “It’s not really news that trannies outrank feminists in victimhood poker.”

    What’s the suicide rate for feminists?

  23. I see no ones picked up on this “The BBC, which has 417 transgender staff, has gender-neutral toilets in all its buildings.

    The Corporation also revealed it will soon give staff paid time off for sex change surgery.”

    417 ! what proportion of total in uk? Percentage of staff in bbc compared to Uk wide? Thank god i no longer pay the license fee.

  24. “417 ! what proportion of total in uk?”

    Estimates of UK TG population are around 1%, so total is 650,000. 417/650,000 = 0.064%.

    The BBC employs about 21,000 people, so TGs are 417/21,000 = 2%, and as a percentage of the population the BBC are 21,000/65,000,000 = 0.032%.

  25. It now seems to be that half the trannies in UK jails are in for some form of sex crime.

    So much for the harmless trans tripe.

    As for the Home Office slags that’s their problem. They are exactly the WOMI trash who are pushing all CM agendas.

    Any decent women I would certainly rush to help stop such antics. But leftist bitches? Welcome to your self made Hell hags.

  26. @ Niv – your statistics of one percent only seem to occur on the bbc website – hardly an unbiased source . Looking round the web – i am sure you can use google – figures range from 0.1 % to 0.6% . I don’t want to get into a tedious fucking argument with you as you link to every crackpot theory going- my contention remains that most transexuals are mentally ill and as Mr Ecks points out an increasing number of male sex offenders are coming out as trans females in the hope of moving to female prisons so that they can continue assaulting females. And arseholes like you are happy about that.

  27. “@ Niv – your statistics of one percent only seem to occur on the bbc website – hardly an unbiased source . Looking round the web – i am sure you can use google – figures range from 0.1 % to 0.6%”

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X13007532

    “I don’t want to get into a tedious fucking argument with you as you link to every crackpot theory going”

    Fair enough. Stop arguing, then.

    “my contention remains that most transexuals are mentally ill”

    The psychiatric and medical professions disagree.

    The idea that it’s a mental illness is nowadays considered by science to be a “crackpot theory”. The continued insistence on it in the face of all the medical evidence is borderline delusional and arguably a mental illness. And obsessively bringing up the subject every week to rant about it is distinctly unbalanced. Not even the BBC talks about it as often as you guys do!

    If you don’t want to argue about it, and have me point out your crackpottery, don’t bring the subject up. Simple!

    Or if you *do* want to talk about in a place where politically incorrect views are not shut down or result in social penalties, accept that other people with different opinions are ipso facto allowed to talk there too. “If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.”

  28. Five male and five female loos have been converted to ten unisex facilities, each with three cubicles.

    Freedom of Information requests revealed that the bill for remodelling them was £28,892.50, while signs bearing a picture of a lavatory and the words ‘Gender Neutral Toilets’ cost an additional £8,070.70, bringing the total to £36,963.20

    ~£800 per sign

    How, for goodness sake, How can a small sign cost over £800?

    Austerity? Out of control public sector spending and contempt for taxpayers.

  29. Believing you have the wrong biological sex-removed from WHO list of mental disorders

    Obsessive hoarding-added to list of WHO mental disorders

    The mental disability issue is a slippery slope, an autistic boy was excluded for 1.5 days for assaulting a teacher (expulsion for anyone else no doubt) and this was deemed to be unlawful as violence behaviour was a condition of his disability.
    Basically sent home so everyone can cool off and let things de-escalate and that’s unlawful, the fact it was taken to court is crazy.

  30. I’d have thought that the legit complain that the girls might have is the male propensity to piss on the floor.

    A million years ago when I had to clean loos in a hotel, I just didn’t see those little puddles in the Ladies.

  31. This is nothing new: the London office of J Walter Thompson had gender-neutral toilets when I worked there 15 years ago. I didn’t give a toss, my female colleagues didn’t give a toss, but my art director was completely incapable of taking a dump when he thought he might be overheard by the opposite sex.

  32. I think they mean the men are leaving the door open while they take a piss.

    Or worse.

    The BBC, which has 417 transgender staff…

    Suddenly, the completely unbalanced coverage in the media doesn’t seem so unbalanced after all.

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