Luckily we’ve a religion for that

Middle-class churchgoers are obsessed with pews and heritage at the expense of religious belief, a Church of England judge has said.

Smells ‘n’ bells end of the CoE actually.

19 thoughts on “Luckily we’ve a religion for that”

  1. He’s just figured that most churchgoers aren’t that bothered about the religious belief thing? The CofE has had decades of management that have committed blasphemy and are more obsessed by socialism than spiritual guidance. Most people who take this stuff seriously left and joined the independent church sector.

    CofE is mostly a social/community thing. If you’re the sort of person who likes a sing-along, maybe doing some community work and socialising with people, Church is one of a limited number of options in a village.

    It’s why congregations aren’t rebelling against the management. They just don’t care.

  2. “Middle-class churchgoers are obsessed with pews and heritage at the expense of religious belief”

    Churchgoers not religious? I know two vicars who openly admit to being atheists. “It’s about community, not religion.”

  3. ” The CofE is obsessed with accommodating every kind of sodomite, marxist, non-Christian and degenerate belief at the expense of 2000 years of Christian teaching”, said an actual Christian.

  4. Community, Heritage, AND Identity. We may not be that ‘religious’ any more, but for many the church remains part of our identity – not least the original Brexit episode. The one where we left Rome.

  5. Errm, it’s not the congregation that were being criticised. They were the ones that wanted to modernise.

    The Victorian Society were also the most entrenched objectors to the changes at St Phillip and St James.

    The charity described it a building “in peril” and James Hughes, senior conservation adviser, denied it was a question of “middle-class objectors”.

    “The parish doesn’t lay out why such controversial, intrusive and ultimately harmful proposals are needed.”

    None of this, of course, harms the general point that CofE, or Episcopalianism up here, are more about being a worthy, nice, and generally lefty-liberal (the meek shall inherit the Synod?) than, say, the Puritan belief that having fun is choosing damnation.

  6. “at the expense of 2000 years of Christian teaching”: it’s surely a fanciful notion that Christian teaching has been unchanged for 2000 years.

  7. Thje CoE also needs a massive Purge.

    Out for all leftists, atheists and female Vicars. And the creation of an organisation to fight for Western Civilisation and values.

    Perhaps the founding of a military-religious Order –say an Order of Engineers involving Technology, military service and Faith dedicated to the destruction of all the West’s enemies might serve as a return to a Church worthy of the name.

  8. Misrepresentation by the Telegraph.

    The judge said nothing about Middle Class Churchgoers, rather about middle-class non-churchgoers, and heritage amenity societies wanting to impose their will from outside.

  9. The Ecksian New Order is inevitable.

    Most people would think he’s mad right now, having been conditioned into certain ways of thinking by the current establishment and without looking too much at the facts, but it is coming. The demographics of the country will make it happen, whether people like it or not.

  10. Not sure the demographics help Ecksianism. At the moment there are the numbers needed to do “what’s necessary” but no will. By the time reality bites and the will arives, the numbers may not be there. Then it’s just balkanisation.

    Besides, it’s all just fun rants. Nothing will be done about the “CM scum”; in fact the people might just vote them into government whichever way Brexit goes.

  11. PJF–Maybe so. But first is the thought then the change.

    The West is rotten with leftist got-at WOMI trash. Maybe that is the end of us–maybe not. A Vespasian may yet be out there.

    In any case such an Order as I suggest would be an adjunct to society as were the Templers etc. Not some kind of Mussolini gang.

  12. ” Lose those pews! ” has long been a motto of the Churches Conservation Trust.
    They characterise a church, and impede the conversion of a church into a prestige event space.

  13. About 40 years ago my local Quakers tried to be ahead of the curve and replaced the meeting house with a new fulti-function multi-pupose building rather than refurbish the old building. The Meeting House now makes more money from letting function rooms than it does from Meetings (the Meeting is treated as just another client of the House), the House is a functioning part of the near-to-High Street, and has visible activity every day of the week instead of being shuttered for six out of seven days. The Methodists around the corner did the same with their central hall, specialising in being a theatre space.

  14. “… it’s surely a fanciful notion that Christian teaching has been unchanged for 2000 years.”

    In the West the change, Reformation notwithstanding, was fairly gradual. Since the end of WW2 however, the changes in both the Catholic and mainstream protestant churches seem to have massively accelerated.

  15. @Hugh

    The history of pews probably isn’t something that many Christians would be proud of – but while they might be comparatively recent additions to the old medieval churches, I guess a lot of the Victorian churches have original pews in them still, which might bolster the argument of the “conserve original features” crowd.

  16. I could live without the pews, its the effing carpets they put in at the same time that make it feel like an airport lounge.

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