Terrible, just terrible, isn’t it?

The far right is at its strongest since the 1930s, and the media is helping
Owen Jones

Prominent far-right figures being given airtime on the BBC, LBC and ITV are not being properly challenged on their views

And far lefties flounce off in a huff when their views are challenged on the same shows.

The far right is on the march, and it is being legitimised and enabled by parts of the mainstream media. The shambolic interview of Raheem Kassam – sidekick to Steve Bannon and Nigel Farage – by the BBC’s flagship Today programme was a striking case in point. This champion of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (or as he calls himself, Tommy Robinson) – a man whose convictions include fraud, assault and contempt of court – was allowed to present himself as a legal expert. His link to the far-right Breitbart website was not mentioned.

His claim that there was “nothing far-right about us” was not challenged, despite his sympathy for banning Muslim immigration, or his response to Sheffield’s lord mayor banning Donald Trump from the city: “What is it with these Muslim mayors that as soon as they get power they start acting like fascists? Oh right yeah sorry that’s Islam …” There was no attempt to refute his farcical claim that the Mussolini-praising Bannon was a “Kennedy Democrat”. His past vile statements were not put to him, like: “Can someone just like … tape Nicola Sturgeon’s mouth shut? And her legs, so she can’t reproduce. Thanks.” His repeated use of the term “cultural Marxism” – a far-right trope with antisemitic roots – or description of trans people as “trannies” was not mentioned. The interview was a travesty, another step further down the road of far-right normalisation.

The general view is that people are not stupid. That’s why we have democracy, because people are not stupid and can indeed choose. Idiots spouting nonsense will be perceived as idiots spouting nonsense. Whether it’s idiots holding up Venezuela as a model for the economy or those insisting upon racism as a grounding for society.

What Young Owen’s complaining about is the air time given to the idiots he disagrees with, not that on offer to those he agrees with – or himself, of course.

39 thoughts on “Terrible, just terrible, isn’t it?”

  1. Reading that “flounce off” list above, I’m guessing that poor Owen would regard most people contributing here as far right! LOL..

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    After what happened to Nick Griffin on QT you’d think the likes of Jones to be encouraging the BBC to give their enemies air time.

    Then again the left has never trusted the people.

  3. Jones believes the public is simple minded and swallows everything they hear via the BBC and the red tops, that a filter (ban) is required.

  4. “are not being properly challenged on their views”

    Odd that Owen wants views properly challenged yet there’s no comment allowed on his article…..

  5. Jones really needs to be put on a plane to the Iraqi regions still controlled by Islamic State – Even Murphy is less irritating than this squealing little muppet

  6. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    “cultural Marxism” – a far-right trope with antisemitic roots

    Was Gramsci Jewish, then ?

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  8. The general view is that people are not stupid. That’s why we have democracy, because people are not stupid and can indeed choose

    That’s not the rationale for democracy. The Greeks based democracy on the view that individuals tend to be stupid while collective decision-making tends to be wiser*. In other words, the wisdom of the the crowd, as exemplified by Galton’s ox or trial by jury (rather than by judge).
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

    *Only tends. The Greeks got some collective decisions wildly wrong – eg the trial of Socrates or the sack of Melos.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Melos

  9. “Piers Morgan, a preening disgraced former newspaper editor reinvented as a fawning cheerleader for the Nazi-condoning, alleged sexual predator in the White House…”

    Not that long ago we had an admitted sexual predator in the White House. Don’t remember you getting your undies in a bunch then, Owen…

  10. I seem to remember reading, on this website I think, someone complain that the BBC is a left-wing supporter. Now I read someone complain that the BBC is supporting the right-wing.

    You both can’t be right. Or perhaps this is the BBC attempting to be balanced by presenting both sides of the argument?

  11. The left knows very well that the BBC is leftist. But it’s a sensible tactic of theirs to pretend it isn’t, as a contest to right wingers pointing out the bias.

    If left and right mean anything these days. As many on here have been saying for the decade or so we’ve been here, it’s about authoritarianism vs genuine liberalism. In that sense, the BBC is definitely pro government, pro authority.

  12. ” Or perhaps this is the BBC attempting to be balanced by presenting both sides of the argument?”

    The thing is that, twenty years ago, Raheems’s views would have been pretty mainstream. That they are now viewed as far-right shows just how far to the left the bounds of ‘acceptable’ public discourse have been pushed.

  13. Hal

    The left’s response wrt the BBC is simply trying to keep any notional “centre of gravity” their way.

    Note it was the left conjuring up a “response”, not any initial “claim”. All of those (claims) came originally from the centre & centre right. And this goes back far further than “this website”!

  14. Hal,
    Whenever I try to work out if its the lefties or the righties who are correct about BBC bias, I recollect that the righties want the BBC to be shut down and nuked from orbit, and the lefties want to give it more money. That tells me the righties are sincere in their beliefs, and the lefties are not; I thereafter draw my own conclusions about BBC bias.

  15. “The far right is at its strongest since the 1930s”

    That would be ex-Labour MP Oswald Moseley’s British Union of Fascists. Modelled on Germany’s Nazi Party. Which the British left were all alongside via its pact with the Soviet Union.

    So Owen Jones is…celebrating?

  16. Far right means anyone who Marxist bullshit.

    The little bastard Jones spews the rhetoric of socialism a death cult that has murdered 150 million human beings and ruined the lives of hundreds of millions more.

    His views actually represent a tiny number of rotten turds. But he seems to get limitless exposure.

  17. “Far right means anyone who won’t spew Marxist bullshit.”

    Or in the case of Jones who IS Marxist bullshit.

  18. This champion of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (or as he calls himself, Tommy Robinson)

    If you don’t call a transgender by xer preferred pronouns it’s a hate crime, but deadnaming Tommy Robinson is ok because reasons.

  19. The term “right” originally had a meaning. It denoted those who sat on the right of the hereditary absolute monarch, supporting the hereditary principle, an absolute monarch and the Catholic church. Everyone else was “left”.There were and are an infinite number of viewpoints differing from that definition of right, so the term left was meaningless. By analogy one could say that supporters of Korean Kim and the house of Saud are right wing today, maybe Castro depending on who succeeds Raoul, but that is all.
    Somewhere in the thirties left came to mean those who Stalin approved of and the right became everyone else. Giving us the amusement that Hitler was left wing at the time of the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact, but swiftly became right wing when he invaded Russia.
    There is no line representing political thought along which any set of ideas can be represented, political thought is multi dimensional.
    The terms left and right have no meaning except to denote those agreed with and those disagreed with.

  20. Why is Raheem far right? What does far right mean in his case?

    Anyone who wants less immigration is deemed to be “far right” (if not an actual Nazi) regardless of their views on any other issue. Immigration is the Alpha and Omega of current year politics.

  21. “Just how big of a narcissistic shit is Tommy Robinson? ” asks the article.
    Narcissistic shitism is, of course, measured in OJs as a percentage. With Owen Jones as the reference standard. (Reportedly, most measurements return single figure results,)

  22. The thing is that, twenty years ago, Raheems’s views would have been pretty mainstream

    His views are pretty mainstream now. It’s just the commentariat that’s shifted radically leftwards.

    Plus they really hate a brown fella whose views don’t match those required of brown fellas by OJ and his ilk.

  23. the man of the people owen jones – never had a real job in his life. Little pipsqueak who talks about fighting the far right . I’m more scared of my cat mr bitey than owen jones. If he wasn’t employed by the guardian would be the odd one stacking shelves in asda who none of his colleagues spoke to.

  24. Wank puffin now with fisting

    MC the other point that Rassam makes is he is-was a Muslim his parents were and Tommy gets on with them.

  25. Another reason the BBC et al might struggle with Rassam and give Owen a gard time us that Owen is so full of shit its impossible to miss.

    Where as Rassam might be right about a few things.

    That and Owen 12 and has to be home in bed warly. His parents are strict.

  26. Raheem has frequently challenged Jones to a debate –televised would be best– but Jones has him even blocked on Twitter.

  27. If he wasn’t employed by the guardian would be the odd one stacking shelves in asda who none of his colleagues spoke to

    At least he would be doing something of value.

    Plus they really hate a brown fella whose views don’t match those required of brown fellas by OJ and his ilk.

    The one thing progressives really don’t like is when their pets go off-message.

  28. Longerrider he wouldn’t be stocking shelves. He is to short.

    Owen Jones is hateful though. If his ideas were implemented.Either promarxism or pro islam, he would be killed.

    Cause the are both ultimately anti homosexual movements, anti chattering class, anti middle class and anti intellectual.

    I occasionally listen to a tuber called Vee, he points out the they tend not to have these people in Eastern Europe because they were all persecuted as parasites.

    Which makes me thing communism had an up side.

  29. Jgh who is Peter Jones?

    Your fucking better!

    And better than Tommy!

    One if the best things about Twitter is not that it shows how horrible the media are, but how dim. Peter is better than jgh because he says so and has a high opinion of himself.

  30. “I seem to remember reading, on this website I think, someone complain that the BBC is a left-wing supporter. Now I read someone complain that the BBC is supporting the right-wing. You both can’t be right. ”

    Yes they can. The BBC can be left wing in an objective sense, in that no-one to the right of the very furthest left of the Tory party are ever allowed to be its Chairman, but also be to the right of the hard left who hold sway in the Labour Party today. Who decry anyone who disagrees with them on anything as ‘far right’, regardless of the actual views. The BBC is instinctively in favour of bigger government, more taxes and higher public spending on everything, which is objectively leftist. But it doesn’t want to destroy capitalism, and actually allows pro-capitalist people to make their case (occasionally) on its airwaves, which puts it in the ‘enabling evil fascists’ camp, according to the likes of Owen Jones et al.

  31. The left has been successfully pushing for a racist model for society for decades, in another decade when whites have fully caught up to the fact that they are to be second class citizens in their own countries it will seem quaint that we could ever have believed that hostile immigrants could be part of our society.

  32. “The far right … is being legitimised”

    Chilling stuff. In what free country is another person’s viewpoint illegitimate?

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