There’s your answer then

Leftovers, however, need a few things in order to become edible again. Time;

We’re richer, our time is worth more. Thus the cost of using leftovers has risen – we do so less.

If people aren’t even going to get these basics right then why listen to them?

49 thoughts on “There’s your answer then”

  1. Dunno. Most of mine need nothing more than a blast of heat. Or in the current weather can be good straight from the fridge.

    Though I imagine leftover Iceland horse lasange needs a bit of “je ne sais quoi”.

  2. It has been suggested that “food waste” whinging is a scam to disguise the fact that we have substantially more imported folk here than the scummy state cracks on.

    Anyway I can’t imagine that the latte swilling shite who buy and read the Gladrag have much time or truck with leftovers. Something for the plebs.

  3. In your imagination, everything is a cockrot scam to disguse the limp-wristed self-flaggelation of cowardly cuck London bubble metropolyheterotranssexual CM scum who’ve imported millions of beheady rapey RoPpers to replace them.

    Even news stories about food waste.

    Great to be crossing swords again, Mr Ecks!

  4. It can get a lot more basic than that and still be very wrong. e.g. recommending a cheaper food when it isn’t cheaper.

    One of bbc/ Jack Monroe’s top five cheap eating tips (no.2) is

    “Use tinned potatoes instead of fresh ones as they’re a fifth of the price”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44597169

    No-they’re not 5 times cheaper. 60.p/per kg vs 65p per kg.

  5. Its astonishing what people throw away, foodwise. I was brought up by parents old enough to just remember the war, and certainly the rationing that continued well after. So wasting food was a sin worse than just about any other. They also kept chickens, so all scraps went to them too. No food ever went in the bin.

    But having said that I know some of my cousins, whose parents are the same age as mine throw away food willy nilly. If its not eaten at the table its in the bin. They would consider eating leftovers terrible. I’m not sure if its a health thing, they’re afraid of food poisoning, or an image thing – they think leftovers are too infra dig.

  6. ‘Food waste is at crisis levels.’

    ‘With rising food insecurity and talk of post-Brexit stockpiling’

    There is no crisis. ‘Food insecurity’ is meaningless Lefty speak.

    All designed to scare you into taking actions they want you to take.

    ‘Food waste is a huge problem in developed countries.’

    No, it’s not.

    ‘For some experiencing the hard end of food poverty, the image of wasted food is like a punch in the gut.’

    What’s that got to do with anyone else? One should change their eating habits because someone, somewhere, is experiencing ‘food poverty,” WeTF that is. More meaningless Lefty talk.

    I remember my mother telling me I had to eat my broccoli because of the poor, starving kids in China. Kerridge thinks she’s our mother?

    ‘It can be a lot of fun, pottering around the kitchen, trying to find something to spice up that hunk of pork sat in the fridge.’

    You are missing out on the fun if you don’t dance with the old stuff in your refrigerator.

    ‘We have to find ways to combat food waste’

    Nah. We don’t.

    ‘especially in the face of food insecurity (who knows what will happen after Brexit).’

    We’re all going to die.

    ‘Kathleen Kerridge is an author and food poverty campaigner’

    Which qualifies her to tell us how we ought to be living our lives.

    Economics 101: eating leftovers will have zero impact on food availability. None. Double ought zero.

  7. “No-they’re not 5 times cheaper. 60.p/per kg vs 65p per kg.”

    They’re far more expensive in tins. Basics tinned potatoes at Asda are just over £1/kg, whereas the cheapest fresh potatoes are 46p/kg. And the tinned ones taste appalling. Same prices differential at Sainsburys and Tesco. Aldi/Lidl might be cheaper, but I’m sure the ratio would hold.

  8. Philip Scott Thomas

    Seriously? We have to be told to use leftovers? Despite being single, I am pathologically incapable of cooking for just one. Most of what I make ends up portioned up in the freezer. My grandmother always boiled more potatoes than required for the meal so there would some for dishes the next day.

    And then there’s those dishes that are always better as leftovers: curries and any Italian pasta, for instance. And cold pizza has been my favourite breakfast since university days.

  9. According to Jack Monroe you can make a basic chili by adding a squirt of ketchup to some beans. My initial thought would be why, if you are on a tight budget, are you wasting money on bottled ketchup, surely the most disgusting and unhealthy thing anyone is ever going to eat? It made me disinclined to follow any of her advice

  10. Stand by for Public Health England’s warning about the dangers of eating left-overs.
    Oh & a recipient of Rowntree Trust dosh on how children in unequal Britain are being forced to eat them.

  11. “It has been suggested that “food waste” whinging is a scam to disguise the fact that we have substantially more imported folk here than the scummy state cracks on.”

    Huh? To explain the food shortages?

    No, it’s about the EU’s landfill directive. This is a hangover from the environmental panic in the 1960s and 1970s, where we were all going to run out of resources and be buried in toxic waste. So they piled on a bunch of regulations and taxes to try to get us to recycle more and throw away less. This is the output of a quango tasked with coming up with campaigns to reduce landfill waste.

  12. I have an Italian friend whose wife always serves leftovers from a previous meal as starters for the next, and my, aren’t they delicious! Things like grilled sliced vegetables in olive oil (e.g. melanzane sott’olio) which were served cold in the first place. I’m afraid that leftover pasta is a no-no for me, as it only takes minutes to cook new, and if you cook the right amount in the first place, there aren’t any leftovers!
    Back in the 1950s, leftovers were important. You had a joint (of meat!) say on a Sunday, and ate it for several days afterwards as well, cold, in various things like cottage pie, and in your lunch sandwiches. In those days we had chicken, not turkey, at Christmas, so the carcass made soup and we didn’t have turkey curry …
    Incidentally, leftovers need far less prep than cooking from new ingredients, especially if served cold, and sometimes are nicer. For example potato salad in my view tastes better than the boiled potatoes it can be made from.

  13. Biggie–Glad that you are still around to do battle with.

    As for the food waste–I said “suggested” as I am a little doubtful. The idea being anyone comparing numbers supposedly here with amount eaten might notice a discrepancy. Which would then be covered by saying we are throwing loads a way. A kind of leftist eco-freakery recycling. Taking a point that might expose one arm of CM –white replacement–and twist it into “support” for CM’s middle leg–eco-freakery. It is certainly the kind of animal cunning the left often displays. But the idea anyone is checking food consumed vs population numbers is a little far-fetched for me.

  14. Ecks
    “the latte swilling shite who buy and read the Gladrag”

    I have a bacon roll and a latte (full fat cow, not soy or almond mind) from Greggs every workday morning. For £2 who wouldn’t (apart maybe from ROPers, Green nutters and the V brigade)?

    I also read online, but would never buy, the Guardian, just to get my blood pressure up to boiling point.

  15. Bravefart–I drink tea not coffee so I wouldn’t spoil a bacon buttie so.

    However latte-swilling is only one characteristic by which the womiccumalobus may be identified. Obviously not everyone who drinks such swill is a womi guardianista. I think it to be a necessary but not alone a sufficient condition to absolutely identify said evilists. I used the single qualification for the sake of brevity. I apologise if you feel I slighted you merely on the basis of a disordered sense of taste.

  16. Just at the moment, leftovers are somewhat of a sore point around here. The supermarket delivered this morning. We have have 4 fridges & a couple large freezers. We also have a house full of Latin Americans who were brought up poor & will never willingly throw any food away. Which means all are full of plastic tubs, plates, foil wrapped parcels, bowls, cups & a few saucepans. Sorting this lot is becoming a cross between palaeontology & assessing the results of biological research. There are things in there look like they’re evolving. I’m sure when I looked in one of the pots there was something in there looking back. And it hissed.

  17. Jim- yes you’re right- it’s more like a pound a kilo for tinned spuds. Muphry’s and all that. I got that figure because trying to work out if wet weight explained the 5 times difference jack claimed. So tinned water and potatoes are about the same as fresh potatoes. Hardly a bargain.

  18. BIS

    Amusing really that the land that effectively spawned the wetback is getting some of its own medicine. Won’t be long surely before your fridges are full of bushmeat and Ebola cultures

  19. @bis These things are known as UFOs. Unidentified Frozen Objects. My brother deals with these by defrosting and eating said thing. Problem solved.

  20. ‘Food waste is at crisis levels.’

    Yet we are all obese, another ‘crisis’.

    ‘For some experiencing the hard end of food poverty, the image of wasted food is like a punch in the gut.’

    And yet obesity is now considered a poverty-related condition. Try and work that conundrum out. Or then again, why bother?

  21. jgh,

    Who the hell puts more on their plate than they are prepared to eat?

    Parents, when serving their children. Adults serving themselves should know their limits, indeed.

    What if you’re left with a half-portion of pasta after serving everyone? It’s not enough to feed the family the next day; and you’re not going to cook a leftover-based dish for one person and a fresh meal for everyone else. Given how cheap pasta is (£1/kg or less), it’s hardly a great loss to toss a few pieces it in the bin.

  22. Mr Ecks,

    I don’t take coffee, I take tea, my dear
    I like my toast done on one side
    And you can hear it in my accent when I talk
    I’m an Englishman in New York

    Actually, I’m the same, while I do drink coffee, I could live without, but I cannot contemplate starting the day without two mugs of tea.

    The food that is wasted has been bought, if we stopped wasting it and thereby reduced our expenditure on food, that would be a massive hit to the economy. Any industry would love it if we bought more than we needed or wanted.

  23. I am a baby-boomer so started out in Attlee’s Britain with rationing. So no matter how many times I tell myself I can afford to throw away stale bread I still eat it; if there is left-over pasta my wife puts in her lunch-box the next day.
    Jack Munroe’s advice to those struggling to pay for food is to start with an audit of the freezer – something I didn’t possess as a young “professional” (we acquired one when I was in my40s).
    What both articles show is how detached the Guardianistas are from normal people

  24. I was born in ’54, the year rationing finally ended so I’m told. I rember Sunday roast, cold on Monday, cottage pie on Tuesday, bread and dripping…

    Freezer, I don’t have one, not even a little box at the top of the fridge. A little inconvenient if you want to buy ice cream more than an hour in advance, yes. But I doubt I will see another summer like this. Saw a cheap freezer on offer the other day, estimated annual electricity cost £35, I doubt that will be recoved by freezing the produce of my vegetable garden,

  25. Some food is better as leftovers.

    Make gazpacho. Don’t eat/drink any; stick in fridge. Next day – it tastes better.

    And everybody knows that roast beef and roast lamb are better cold, later in the week.

    But bananas are better warm. And do not discard the skin into the compost bin without first rubbing it on a wart.

  26. Hallowed Be said:
    “One of bbc/ Jack Monroe’s top five cheap eating tips (no.2) is: ‘Use tinned potatoes instead of fresh ones as they’re a fifth of the price’”

    As others have pointed out, fresh potatoes can be bought a lot more cheaply than tinned, and taste a lot better.

    What this suggests is that Jack Monroe buys very expensive fresh potatoes (organic and whatever the vegetable equivalent of rare breed meat might be, to get up to that price), has no idea of cheaper fresh produce, but believes that tinned rubbish is fine for the plebs. Or just can’t do maths.

    Actually, having just looked up Jack Monroe, it’s possible that the “can’t do maths” explanation is correct. Like Corbyn, grammar school educated but barely managed to get any qualifications.

  27. Just finished making chicken stock for risotto from the roast chicken at the weekend. (M&S Dine with wine – gone up from £10 to £12. but you now get an extra side, so that’s a wash.) There’s still a breast left, so if I wanted I could make a chicken and leek pie (I don’t in this weather, will probably eat it with a salad). So that’s 5 days’ main meals for two (plus one day’s desert) for under £20, including a bottle of wine (though that doesn’t last for 5 days).

  28. @ Rob

    “And yet obesity is now considered a poverty-related condition. Try and work that conundrum out.”

    The usual explanation is manifold.

    1. Compared with manufactured food, fresh meat, fruit & veg are often expensive and in some areas relatively hard to find.

    2. Manufactured food requires little or no skill to prepare (domestic science having disappeared from the school curriculum because cookery is, of course, a tool of the patriarchy).

    3. Manufactured food is also stuffed with sugar and/or grease and/or salt, making it addictive. The combination of sugar and fat, as in chocolate, is especially addictive, likewise fat and salt, as in crisps or pizza. Thus people eat too much of such stuff.

    4. Poverty can be an indicator of ignorance, laziness and stupidity.

    In sum, the extra money, effort and knowledge required to avoid the cynical excesses of Big Food are, we are told, beyond the reach of most poor people.

  29. “fresh … fruit & veg are often expensive and in some areas relatively hard to find.”

    Where are those areas? Obviously not near an Aldi nor a bunch of Asian grocers. Where can they be?

  30. “Where are those areas? Obviously not near an Aldi nor a bunch of Asian grocers. Where can they be?”

    Precisely – the cheapest place to find raw materials for cooking will being the poorest part of town, especially Asian areas, because they cook from raw materials. A friend of mine who is a chef always bought his spices and herbs etc from a little Asian corner shop, in the rough part of town, it was far cheaper than the wholesale merchants and better quality too. He used to spend several hundred pounds at a go, when he walked in the old chap behind the counter would shoo any existing customers aside and treat him like royalty 🙂

  31. Bloke in North Dorset

    Sunday’s dinner was defrosted leftovers from last time we had a Gurkha take-away*. We always order an extra veggie dish as the meat dishes are enough for 2 meals.

    Last night was left over sausages from the night before (we always cook all 6 sausages when a pack is defrosted), left over veg, some fried sliced potato left overs, leftover potato salad and home made homus. A bit of a mix but it cleared the fridge of all those plastic pots.

    That’s nothing to do with us having he time as we’re retired, it was a lot easier than cooking from scratch.

    *To the few readers who live in this area, if you haven’t tried the Namaste Gurkha in Blandford Forum you’re definitely missing out. Run by an ex Gurkha signaller.

  32. We had a big roast dinner on Sunday, all three of our boys managed to come, two with girl friends. So we fed 7 of us on roast beef and roast potatos along with all the veg etc. After we had done I put the left over spuds and veg in one bowl and the beef on a plate and stuck them in the fridge. We had the veg and spuds and some of the beef on Monday for dinner in the evening and very nice it was too nicely re-heated. I finished the beef off at lunch today in a sandwich. Not much waste of food in our house.

  33. @Hallowed Be, August 1, 2018 at 10:27 am
    @Jim

    Tinned potatoes were cheaper when article written (2015?). 20p for a jumbo size tin and they’re pre-cooked.

    Since then tinned price rocketed and fresh fallen substantially.

  34. The poor often eat badly because they don’t have
    1) time, as Tim says
    2) reliable freezers etc.

    Fresh food might be cheaper, but you have to have time to get it and prepare it. And that gets worse if you can’t store much because of where you live.

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  36. Bloke in North Dorset

    Oven cooked fish tonight, so while that was cooking we also did enough oven roasted vegetables and potatoes to do 2 meals.

  37. “The poor often eat badly because they don’t have
    1) time, as Tim says” How long do they spend collecting their dole, then?

    “2) reliable freezers etc.” The big screen telly comes first, eh?

    I assume that there are “poor” who genuinely are poor, but – beyond the sad madmen whom we call ‘homeless’ – are there many, and do they fit your stereotype any better than they fit mine? I don’t know.

    The trouble is that I don’t trust the word of anyone who is a poverty pimp – the sort of people who write articles for the Guardian while making a living ordering the poor about. It is in their interest to lie and I assume they do it in spades. To whom can I turn for usefully accurate information?

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  39. Good points, dearieme. The assumption is that the poor “struggle.” It’s just the elite’s projection that they would struggle if they didn’t make any more than the ‘poor’ do. My family was poor when I was a kid. I was poor when I first started out on my own. I ate fine.

  40. “Tinned potatoes were cheaper when article written (2015?). 20p for a jumbo size tin and they’re pre-cooked.”

    The article is dated 24th June 2018. Could have been updated then perhaps, but if so the facts should have been re-checked also.

    Tinned potatoes come in a 540g tin, but a good deal of that is water, hence the potato content is approx 345g (normal food tin weight). Thus the per kg price is roughly 3 times the tin price. Hence why tins today are 35p each but the per kg price is just over £1.

    To be honest I can’t remember a time when the cheapest loose potatoes in the shops were much more than 60p/kg.

  41. @ Chester Draws
    My middle-class, Oxford-educated, mother did not own a refrigerator until the younger of my two older sisters graduated and relocated the ‘fridge which she had bought for her shared (with other undergraduettes) flat: that was after 30 years of marriage.
    I never got food poisoning at home.
    No, literally, never: at boarding school a few times but not as often as most because I just didn’t eat stuff which stank (did I mention that I lost half a stone virtually every term); never at Uni (my college head-hunted a chef from the Savoy); from eating-out occasionally (I shall never eat lentils again after my wife took me to a party hosted by a college friend who was going through a vegetarian phase); buying stuff from Tesco etc. occasionally; but at my childhood home, relying on a meatsafe to keep out the flies – Never.
    Actually everyone can choose how to allocate their time.

  42. @Jim,

    Time Travel:

    March 2015
    Tesco White Potatoes 2.5Kg – £1.75 = 70p/kg
    Everyday Value New Potatoes Drained weight 345g – 20p = 58p/kg

    Fresh 20% more expensive than tinned

  43. Start off with 1.5kg of ground beef and fry it all up. Take out a third and put it in 3 or 4 little containers in the freezer for other meals. Put in the tomatoes and spices and cook it down and use about half of it for a pan of lasagna. Put more water in the other half and them put that in 8 to 10 small containers and freeze for spaghetti sauce. Eat fresh lasagna that night and then put in the fridge. Cut up the pan cold into 8 pieces, eat one and bag the others in the freezer. By the time it’s all said and done there’s about 20 dinners worth of food.

  44. Pcar- yes well done. I think you’ve cracked where jack’s mistake originated.

    20% less on your examples looks true.

    20% can be expressed as a 1/5th and instead of saying a 5th less she wrote a 5th ‘of’ the price.”

    In other words replace a 5th ‘of’ with 5th ‘off’ and you could even claim its just a typo.

    Either way (number blindness or typing errors) its a bit weird its got through all this time without correction. (There’s a suggestion in the blog its was also in Jack’s first cookbook) . Almost as if the readership or supportership don’t notice such differences which is highly weird in someone writing about saving pennies.

  45. @Hallowed Be

    Thanks.

    Reason I knew was her & a guys tips were in an article in ST’s Stella.

    I checked and bought the tinned to try, an email trawl found the Tesco orders.

    We used both until tinned price increased by 75%. Tinned were great for stews & salads.

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