Andy Burnham’s call for a second vote

Just heard him on the radio. The two year limit is “arbitrary.”

Err, it’s in the Treaty. It’s a solemn legal commitment by the country in international law. That’s not arbitrary. Or if it is, then what the hell’s the government been doing signing up to such arbitrary international treaties?

22 thoughts on “Andy Burnham’s call for a second vote”

  1. “adjective
    1. based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
    “an arbitrary decision”

    2. (of power or a ruling body) unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.”

    Going with number 2, myself.

  2. Would that be Andy ‘Deathcamp’ Burnham, by any chance, official ambassador for Maybelline and erstwhile confederate of the New Labour gang who effectively ruined this country?

    And we should listen to him why?

  3. Pretty sure that the “arbitrary” time limit was something each voter weighed up aling with the various pros and cons before casting their votes.

  4. Of course it is arbitrary, in the manner that it would have made no material difference if they had picked two years and a day instead, or specified it happened on the second 4th april after the date or 3rd new years day. Many things in life are arbitrary at a fundamental level (why start the work day at 9 not 8 or 10).

    As Tim points however, it has been agreed as being a good enough number to use by all parties and that is what matters.

  5. To my mind, this 2 year limit exemplifies so much of what is wrong with the EU. No-one expected it to come into play, but, now it has, it has turned out to be something of a problem for both leavers, being threatened with ticking clocks and such like, and remainers too. Without a pre-set limit, there would be more of a possibility of evolving sensible change.

    But what does the EU do? Pay no attention to either position, but insist that the most important part of the negotiations is an arbitrary limit, decided upon because some treaty writer thought it was “about right” and would do for now, especially as it wouldn’t matter.

    It really is the tail wagging the dog. Grrrr!

  6. I wish I bought the Daily Mail so I could stop buying it.

    That new remainiac POS replacing Daycare is already on the job. Editorial: “Boris the Boat-rocker”–ie for wanting a real Brexit–“We have doubts about Mrs Mays compromise agreement but…”.

    Lets hope their numbers start to follow the Gladrag.

  7. Didn’t the guy who wrote it admit that the entire thing was shoved in at the last minute because it was felt there should be something and was never expected to be used

  8. @Alex

    45 years ago there wasn’t actually provision for leaving … It came in with Lisbon.

    I wonder if, ironically, it would have been easier to leave before the mechanism was put in place – would surely have required unanimous agreement of the member states but maybe not of the European Parliament and without the time limit.

  9. Don`t worry Tim soon we won`t have any treaties at all . Lucky that we don`t depend them for 90% of our trade isn`t it . Yes that is right, thats with the EU and Nations with whom it has onward arrangements.

  10. Lucky that we don`t depend them for 90% of our trade isn`t it . Yes that is right, thats with the EU and Nations with whom it has onward arrangements.

    You mean exports, not trade. Most of our trade / GDP is internal.

  11. And part of the point is that we can manage better our own arragements for trading externally with other countries, without being compromised at every level by the individual interests of 27 other countries.

  12. Nautical Nick said:
    “Without a pre-set limit, there would be more of a possibility of evolving sensible change.”

    I doubt it. My experience of negotiations (and what I see of the EU) is that often the only thing that forces people to actually make the necessary compromise is a deadline.

  13. @theo I don’t believe the potato has any friends so the whole premise of the article ( and the content) is wrong

  14. The return of Facepainter–in short compass. Stuck right thro’ his bag if there were any justice.

    At least it was short and incoherent.

  15. @ Newmania
    Utter lying bullshit.
    A bit of our trade goes via Rotterdam to third nations but most of third countrytrade never touches the EU 27

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *