Isn’t this terrible?

The Guardian hyperventilates:

But the new government, which could now take weeks to form, will need either cross-bloc alliances between centre-right and centre-left parties, or an accommodation with the Sweden Democrats – long shunned by all other parties because of their extremist roots – to pass legislation, potentially giving the populists a say in policy.

With the centre-left bloc on 40.6% of the vote and the centre-right on 40.2%, analysts predict long and complicated negotiations will now be needed to build a majority, or – more likely – a minority that will not easily be sunk. This looks difficult on the left, where any coalition would need to include the ex-communist Left, effectively excluding cooperation from the centre-right.

Many observers therefore see the Moderate party leader, Ulf Kristersson – who on Sunday night called for Löfven to resign – seeking to form a minority centre-right administration, possibly in coalition with the Christian Democrats and with implicit, ad hoc parliamentary support from the Sweden Democrats.

This would give the populist party the opportunity to influence policy, particularly on immigration, in exchange for votes.

The new government might represent a significant portion of the votes cast. Horrors, eh?

Or as Brecht didn’t say, the people have spoken, the bastards.

22 thoughts on “Isn’t this terrible?”

  1. Previously on Teh Grauniad: PR is great and will solve all our problems, with a coalition government representing a wider spectrum of views and having to compromise.

    Today on Teh Grauniad: this example of PR gives a Bad Result since it will require a wider spectrum of views than we like to be represented, along with having to compromise with a party we consider beyond the pale.

  2. Indeed, abacab. Or to cut to the subtext: PR is great because it places unwarranted power in the hands of people we approve of, like the Liberal Democrats; PR is awful because it places unwarranted power in the hands of people we disapprove of, like the Sweden Democrats.

    It’s always about the result, never the process.

  3. Anything that might restrict the inflow of immigrants always gives the Graun an attack of the vapours.

    Someday, a lefty is going to have to explain to me the logic whereby it is right and proper not to let someone into your university or lecture hall but a crime against humanity not to let someone into your country.

    Actually, don’t bother. You can’t. Because like most of leftist philosophy, it’s just your opinion, isn’t it?

  4. potentially giving the populists a say in policy.

    It’s the end of the world as they know it.

    Also, note that the “ex-Communist left” don’t earn the tag ‘extremist’.

    Soon there will be one Guardian reader left, fearfully looking through the curtains at the 99.99999% of the population who are now all ‘extremists’.

  5. Interesting that their objection to the Swedish Democrats is their “extremist roots”, i.e. the party’s origins, but they seem fine with the “ex-communist Left”.

  6. BiND – thanks for the link. With respect to Nelson’s article, the main fault is that he does not seem to realise or be prepared to admit that the ‘mainstream’ parties are simply fucking lying.

    Now they have escaped the SDs being in a real position of power, they will carry on as before. Of course that means the problems will continue oozing under whatever sticking plaster is put over them and one day it will be the end of Sweden as a civilised first world state, but I don’t think the Swedes really want to live anyway.

    Frankly, if they are prepared to vote the former commies to 28 seats they can fuck off and die, as they seem determined to do.

  7. ‘But the new government, which could now take weeks to form, will need [blah, blah, blah] to pass legislation’

    Good. Sweden, like most western states, has TOO MUCH legislation already. Nothing more conservative* than freezing government.

    *Okay, reducing government. But that isn’t going to happen regardless. Even if conservatives ran the government.

    Though a Swedish Trump would do it.

  8. The sickening thing is that as many Swedes as have have voted for the same leftist scum that have been pissing on their nation for decades.

    At least now only 40% of the country deserve a shitkicking–matters improve slowly.

  9. “The populists remain in third place…”
    Not very populist then. The most populist are by definition those in first place, the Social Democrats.

  10. Populist in this context does not mean popular.

    It means “folk who are voted for by people who are common as muck who would cause me to faint were I to find them at a drinks party”.

  11. Or as Brecht didn’t say, the people have spoken, the bastards.

    However the western left, from the USA to the UK, France, Germany and Sweden, are, as Brecht did say, trying to elect a new people.

  12. PR is actually good in this regard.

    Every day the Swedish MPs have to recognise that 20% of the country want something different. They can’t hide from it forever. Eventually one party will work out that if they invite the SD in, then they are in power forever.

    (The NZ Labour Party are very sniffy about NZ First, who are our populist party, but they went with them to be in power. Because they’re not complete idiots.)

    Under FPP parties can pretend minority opinion does not exist, as they do UKIP.

  13. Under FPP parties can pretend minority opinion does not exist, as they do UKIP.”

    Under FPP the major parties pretended a majority opinion did not exist. And then UKIP forced that majority opinion to become national policy. And all without getting a single new MP elected (Carswell retained his seat).

    FPP can be quite sensitive.

  14. “Someday, a lefty is going to have to explain to me the logic whereby it is right and proper not to let someone into your university or lecture hall but a crime against humanity not to let someone into your country.”

    A better comparison would be their house vs country.

  15. Every day the Swedish MPs have to recognise that 20% of the country want something different. They can’t hide from it forever. Eventually one party will work out that if they invite the SD in, then they are in power forever.

    This is where game theory as it relates to the formation of a coalition comes into play, because despite their “firm pre-election commitments” not to work with the Swedish Democrats, the current coalition mathematics just doesn’t deliver a government.

    I would expect those who are currently unlikely to form a government any other way (i.e. the Moderates) to be secretly going over the numbers to see if an SD coalition could work and what the long term damage to their support base would be.

    The Swedes have been in a similar position in 2014 where a “Grand Coalition” was required and none of the main parties involved enjoyed the taste of it then, I doubt they will form a new grand coalition any time soon.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20151009/swedish-party-votes-to-quit-budget-deal

    As someone who has spent a lot of time in rural Sweden, it seems to me that Swedish good intentions keep getting manipulated by the narcissists, nutters and actual Marxists of the political process and until these good intentions are killed and buried, Sweden will remain “The Land of Lost Content”.

    Cue more elections and a gradually rising SD share of the vote until the Moderates put clothes pegs on their noses and form a coalition with them. I don’t expect that will happen this time around, but next election or the one after.

    Fortunately, the more devolved nature of Swedish society means that stagnation of the central political process simply means that they will be able to do less damage than they otherwise would have done.

    In rural areas life will go on as it has done for generations, in the cities the cars will continue to burn and the hand grenade by “persons of no appearance” will continue to rise.

    The Swedes aren’t boiling over with anger and resentment. Anyone who says they are is a fool, but the pot is beginning to simmer. It will be a few more years before any real change happens.

  16. Whats happened in Sweden is that the mainstream parties have been forced to talk harder on immigration/Islamism etc, which has drawn the teeth somewhat of the need to vote for the hardline (and socially unacceptable) party.

    Of course the trouble with this is that chances are it’ll be business as usual once the election is over and nothing will change on the ground. What establishment politicians haven’t worked out yet is that you can fool the public for a reasonable amount of time with the ‘talk hard then ignore’ strategy, but eventually you run out of road, and the voters cotton on, and will literally vote for anyone rather than the liars they’ve been voting for. It’ll be how a complete psychopath gets into power, because the mainstream politicians have so ignored the voters that they will take anyone, regardless of how bad they openly are, instead of the status quo.

    We see it with Trump – by any traditional metric Trump’s political career should have been over before it started, with all the gaffes, erratic behaviour and sexual shenanigans coming out, but it no longer mattered to his voters. They’d had enough of the old and wanted something, anything, that wasn’t the same. Luckily for them, despite the Left’s screaming, he’s not Hitler. But the next one could well be………and people will vote in spades for him (most likely a him) because they can’t face the status quo any more. Erdogan got voted in, and Putin is very popular. There’s no guarantee a similar type can’t end up in power in the West too. And think of the State power such a person would have at their fingertips…………………

  17. Luckily for them, despite the Left’s screaming, he’s not Hitler. But the next one could well be

    Despite the accusations that the Swedish Democrats are “…literally Nazis…”, the reality is they are about on par with the UK Tory party or UKIP, what most people would define as “centre right” at best.

    The accusation that the gradual creep of the SD is comparable with the gradual creep election by election of the Nazi party in Germany during the 1930’s is not inaccurate though and for the same reasons that the parties back them attempted to ignore popular sentiment and in so doing made matters worse.

    By ignoring the immigration issue, especially while “dog whistling” about dealing with it is to treat the electorate with contempt. Now it may be that the Swedish electorate is so irrational that they DESERVE to be treated with contempt, but as a political strategy it will ultimately fail.

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
    – John F. Kennedy during his address to Latin American diplomats at the White House (13 March 1962)

  18. “The accusation that the gradual creep of the SD is comparable with the gradual creep election by election of the Nazi party in Germany during the 1930’s is not inaccurate though and for the same reasons that the parties back them attempted to ignore popular sentiment and in so doing made matters worse.”

    Exactly – as you say, by objective analysis the SD are not Nazis. But by painting them as such, rather than accepting their policies are reasonable and within democratic norms, they open the way for a real Nazi style party to rise. What do you call the real Nazis when you’ve called UKIP/AfD/SD/Front Nationale/Five Star/PVV Nazis? This constant demonisation of anyone to the right of Ken Clarke as beyond the pale means one day you really will get a someone who is a danger to democracy and freedom, and you’ll not be able to make people understand why and how. Indeed they’ll actively vote for them the more you demonise them.

    I’m convinced that part of Corbyn’s appeal is this, its not that the young are yearning for Communism, they have no idea what that means for their lives, its just they want change, difference, not the status quo. And Corbyn represents a turning over of the apple cart, so all his baggage about terrorist love-ins and anti-semitism are ignored.

  19. What do you call the real Nazis when you’ve called UKIP/AfD/SD/Front Nationale/Five Star/PVV Nazis?

    Ultra-mega-fantastico-crypto-literally-Hitler-Nazis surely?

    As for the “creeping electoral victories” of the actual Nazi party, between 1928 and 1932 when the Social Democrats and Hindenburg helped Hitler into power there were 4 separate elections. Over this four year period the vote share and number of Reichstag deputies rose inexorably (although their popularity had actually declined by the final Weimar election, with the general populace becoming tired of Nazi antics such as the inevitable Reichstag walkouts which would bring the fall of the government)

    – Election of 20th May 1928:
    Nazis (NSDAP): 12 seats and 2.6% of the vote.

    – Election of 14th September 1930:
    Nazis (NSDAP): 107 seats and 18.3% of the votes.

    – Election of 31st July 1932
    Nazis (NSDAP): 230 seats and 37.3% of the vote.

    – Election 6th November 1932
    Nazis (NSDAP): 196 seats and 33.1% of the vote.

    https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/weimar-germany/weimar-elections-1928-to-1932/

    How long will it be until the Swedes get tired of their own lacklustre parties of the left and start voting for the Swedish Democrats in far greater numbers? I suspect the 2020’s will be an interesting time for Sweden…

  20. “How long will it be until the Swedes get tired of their own lacklustre parties of the left and start voting for the Swedish Democrats in far greater numbers?”

    One assumes that the voters for the other nominally rightist parties are more likely to peel away first. Why continue to vote for right-ish party if they continue to prop up a leftist government because they refuse to form a right of centre coalition with the outcast party?

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