So how does this work then?

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Jobs in Every Constituency – the promise of the Green New Deal
Posted on September 10 2018

The Green New Deal Group has launched a new report this morning. This is a summary:

Jobs in Every Constituency

A Green New Deal Election Manifesto

Hmm. The unemployment rate is pretty low. The employment to population ratio is at the highest it’s been in how many decades?

And we’re talking about job creation now, are we? Have these people never heard of opportunity costs? Well, given that the Senior Lecturer and Anne Pettifor are their only even described as economists perhaps not…..

24 thoughts on “So how does this work then?”

  1. Surely that depends on what other policies they have? We may have (near) full employment now, but if they destroy enough jobs there will be the perfect situation to make ‘new’ jobs in every constituency

  2. Let’s look at energy saving in a typical UK end-of-terrance property, say in Ely.

    Insulation isn’t an issue at all so 30 million homes is an over-estimate, apparently you need to change to low energy bulbs, change to a condensing boiler and add solar heating panels.

    Investment is £6285-9085. Return is £273 a year for the first 3 years. Brilliant.

    (Data from epcregister.com for the date of Spud’s energy check)

  3. In other almost related news, Ethical Consumer has a Fair Tax Mark. Yep, the organisation that runs the Fair Tax Mark has been judged suitable to be awarded a Fair Tax Mark. (Along with Lush, that funds Ethical Consumer that runs the Fair Tax Mark).

    Put me down as shocked.

  4. One hears that the unemployment rate for retired account, professors of practice at Islington technical colleges is likely to soar by several million percent in the near future. One needs to prepare a New Green Deal, urgently..
    Would paint suffice? Some dye in the bathwater?

  5. He’s still wittering about insulation – schemes like CERT and ECO have been done.

    Councils and energy companies struggle now to find homes who are eligible for the scheme who are willing to sign up. We’re into the hard-to-reach group now.

    Here are some little gems of a conversation I had with him a couple of years ago:

    http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/08/26/shovel-ready/

    Still can’t work out whether he regards the Australian scheme as a success or failure. Any clues?

  6. Adrian,

    Thanks for that link, missed that thread.

    You said “A scandalous number of house fires (over 100,”
    Spud replies “One learns from mistakes, It appears you don’t”

    If the state burns 100 people to death, that’s ok. Like when he said Mid Staffs NHS deaths were a statistical outlier.

    “Rudi Havenstein” had a great run in that thread though!

  7. Noel

    Rudi was indeed impressively tenacious, but poor Adrian was put to the sword

    Richard Murphy says:

    August 28 2015 at 1:52 pm

    One learns from mistakes

    It appears you don’t

    But what is really telling is your claim that insulation has been done

    That is just nonsense

    Yours day here are done

    Please don’t waste my time again

  8. One minue he hails the Australian experience as a success.

    When I tell him the Australian experience is viewed in the UK as a warning, it is him who who is learning from mistakes, not us in local authorities.

    That’s going to be the danger when you have big infrastructure projects sloshing around when there is full employment amongst skilled workers: shortcuts, cowboys, fraud. You can write the script now…

  9. @Adrian for a green new deal a lot of those projects in his list appear to be road building projects – How does he reckon building roads is green? Yet another example of his incoherence. It’s if his ideas spew out of him without thought and reference to the previous garbage that he has spewed out.

  10. Moqifen. maybe we do need some new roads. But you’re right, it doesnt sit with their green agenda.

    But his flawed assumption is that road working requires armies of brawny, unskilled workers a la Great Depresssion. Those days are over – fewer bodies needed, mostly fairly skilled. Am not sure there are too many with those skills who are out of work.

  11. On the midday news today the report was: there’s so much construction work sloshing about, that the prices of labourers has doubled! *That’s* why you can’t get a builder for love nor money.

    And he claims there’s a employment shortage? Evidence shows there’s an *employee* shortage.

  12. The energy consumption of my 3 bed end terrace is in the order of £20 a month (gas and electricity).

    It’s got loft and wall insulation, modern double glazing, mostly led bulbs, reasonably modern gas combi boiler… and 90% of houses on the same estate are either the same or will be headed that way (e.g. they were all built single glazed, but I doubt I could find one with the original windows now).

    What exactly does he want to do to such houses, especially given the maximum potential savings are in the order of £250 pa?

  13. Let’s look at energy saving in a typical UK end-of-terrance property, say in Ely.

    Insulation isn’t an issue at all

    Yep, he provides all the insulation he’ll ever need himself.

    for a green new deal a lot of those projects in his list appear to be road building projects

    Bait and switch. Get elected on a road building programme, then use the money as a gigantic green slush fund for green ‘non-profits’ and clued-up corporations with ‘green credentials’. The “roads and airports” spiel is transparent bollocks that barely passes even the most perfunctory sniff test.

  14. How will the average UK house, designed for a damp and humid atmosphere, cope with near-zero airflow after all these insulation programs? I predict a boom time for burglars and sex pests climbing through permanently open windows.

  15. What is the Green New Deal trying to achieve? As Tim has pointed out, there is no unemployment problem and no skilled labour available for their projects. Jeremy Leggett is clearly pitching for subsidies for his business, but what about the rest of them? Are they trying to find a justification for immigration by creating government funded work perhaps?

  16. @ sam jones – it’s all part of his magic money tree theory ie government can spend what it likes without any financial consequences . He also believes that all government expenditure pays for it’s self through increased taxes less benefit spending etc, so it’s basically cost free and definitely won’t end up with us becoming venezuela (and anyway he wants to fuck off to the eu asap so doesn’t have to live with the consequences) Once it’s been proved that governments can spend like drunken matelots on shore leave, the nobel prize is as good as in the bag and welcome Lord potato of Ely – our saviour.

  17. From the report. Only 28 pages so it wasn’t too bad, although you can tell this section was not written by Snippa:

    Large urban centres as disparate as Auckland,Nairobi, Oslo and Brasília are successfully moving away from fossil fuels. In Britain, 14 more cities and towns have signed up to the ‘UK 100’ local government network’s target of 100% clean energy by 2050, bringing the total to 84. Among the recent local authority recruits are Liverpool City Region, Barking and Dagenham, Bristol, Bury, Peterborough, Redcar and Cleveland. xvii Moreover, 122 giant companies have now committed to 100 per cent renewable powering of their operations; and these “RE 100” targets have already procured renewable electricity on such a scale that, were they a nation, they would be a bigger consumer than Poland, and 24th in the world.xviii One of them, Google, reached 100% renewables on 4th April 2018, despite the demand created by a host of energy-intensive data centres.xix Apple joined them on 10th April.xx Facebook, Citigroup and IKEA have set a deadline of 2020 for using renewable energy to cover 100 per cent of their electricity use.xxi In America, the first coal plant has been shut down to be replaced by solar simply because the cost of building new solar is lower than the cost of continuing to operate coal.x
    That’s great. The Green New Deal group have just argued rather coherently that we do not need their Green New Deal.

  18. theProle said:
    “The energy consumption of my 3 bed end terrace is in the order of £20 a month (gas and electricity)”

    For my 3 bed cottage, it’s over £100 a month (electricity, oil, coal; and that’s not counting the logs I pick up for nothing). So theoretically plenty of room for increased energy efficiency there.

    But it’s early 18th century and has cob walls. Getting any changes approved would take months to get English Heritage to agree it, and it would need specialist contractors to do it properly (cob can react very badly to various environmental changes).

    So no way is it “shovel ready”, and no way would it be employing unskilled labour (or anyone who isn’t already fully employed).

    OK, that’s only one example, but I suspect most of the houses that can sensibly be made more efficient have, like Mr Prole’s, already been done. And the ones left are probably mostly have, like mine, very good reasons why they haven’t been.

  19. i was on board for external wall insulation – the council came round offering some sort of deal. The house was surveyed, the finance all set up – then came fitting – oh we can’t do bay windows – the external cladding can’t cope with any angles other than 90 degrees. What a waste of time and effort.They surveyed every house in the street and didn’t notice that every one had bay windows. Suspect any billions spent on spudatollahs fantasy will be pissed away in a similar manner, by the state.

  20. Rob, my house is an ex council house and design common on this estate. With loft and wall insulation and high heating (300 pounds gas bill a month) all the time the house is fine. Ventilation is mostly done by the ventilation bricks – only time I would find condensation is if I shut myself in the bedroom and blocked off all ventilation for a couple of days.

    Presumably if councils were building to this or similar designs in 1960 then there will be other houses also capable of having insulation without ending up poorly ventilated?

    My parents house has had all the insulation on offer, its from about 1900 and is also fine for ventilation. Though it doesn’t have the heating on so much (pensioners!).

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