This is news or olds?September 9, 2018 Tim WorstallNewspaper Watch23 Comments‘Drunk Royal Navy sailors arrested on Florida shore leave’ Or even just normality? previousYes, Prem Sikka is an idiotnextHow much do hashtags cost? 23 thoughts on “This is news or olds?” rhoda klapp September 9, 2018 at 1:06 pm CT is very slow today. Blokeintejasinnormandy September 9, 2018 at 1:08 pm Agreed. Remarkably badly annoyingly slow. TomO September 9, 2018 at 1:11 pm Drunken sailors? … gosh now there’s a surprise. 155,000 miles of cable on board ? Even given that they purportedly screwed up and had to rewire the entire thing once it seems a lot… Tim Worstall September 9, 2018 at 1:48 pm Trying to get tech onto this…. Bloke on M4 September 9, 2018 at 1:50 pm The military isn’t really the military. It’s a bureaucracy, desperate to justify its bloated existence. And like all scams, the players have to put on a good front, in case anyone starts asking questions about them. Bloke in Cyprus September 9, 2018 at 2:09 pm How many crew on the ship, 700…? 6 D&D seems a remarkably poor showing… Bloke in Cyprus September 9, 2018 at 3:47 pm CT is super-fast-quick now! Witchie September 9, 2018 at 5:05 pm God help us if US military personnel ever behave badly, plaster saints that they all are … rhoda klapp September 9, 2018 at 5:23 pm Witchie is referring to this? An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints, Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints; Kipling, ‘Tommy’ Chris Miller September 9, 2018 at 5:36 pm The technical guru at CT tells me they’re dealing with substantial spam comment attacks (targeted – you can probably work out what kind of people are doing the targeting). Custard Cream September 9, 2018 at 5:39 pm Splendid news! Makes me even more proud to be British. Chris Miller September 9, 2018 at 5:42 pm 155,000 miles of cable on board ? Even given that they purportedly screwed up and had to rewire the entire thing once it seems a lot… That’s 250,000km. Given the ship is 280m long, that would imply a million cables along every metre of her length. I suspect someone has lost a few orders of magnitude (metres and km?). I was responsible for wiring a new 13-storey tower block once upon a time, and I seem to recall we used about 15km of cable for voice and data (which were separate in those far-off days). BlokeInTejasInNormandy September 9, 2018 at 5:58 pm Chris Miller Indeed; I personally have been identified as a spammer at CT. The horror! And this site forgets who I am all the time… Jason Lynch September 9, 2018 at 6:02 pm There’s some seriously hardcore network infrastructure aboard the QECVs – the two I know of (there’ll probably be more) are the shipborne element of the ALIS logistics system, and the handling, processing and dissemination system for the aircraft’s sensor data. There’s a mahoosive SCIF, practically a mini-Pathfinder Building, back aft for mission planning and analysis, and they’re already warning off trained SAR analysts to expect an offer of sea time once F-35Bs start operating afloat…. That said, I still think you’d be getting towards counting and measuring individual cable strands, or fibre bundles, to get to the “quarter-million kilometres of cable” figure. That, or (probably more likely) someone misplaced a decimal point while converting from jumbo jets, to elephants, to Olympic swimming pools, to double-decker buses, to Nelson’s Columns… TomO September 9, 2018 at 6:16 pm It would be interesting to detail the provenance of the amount of cabling number. Half witted innumerate dope at the BBC – well, – that’d be par for the course. MoD / Navy press release? then I’d expect some latrines(heads?) need a toothbrushing. Pcar September 9, 2018 at 6:35 pm In other news: Six matelots have meetings with Captain – no tea & biscuits. btw: fact it was an Irish pub suggests our boys were provoked. Excavator Man September 9, 2018 at 7:33 pm Almost certainly Witchie took the Aldershottian ‘single men in barracks’ of Kipling and applied it to the Navy. Kipling, of course, is that dreadful ‘waaycist!’ who admits that Gunga Din is the better man, and who prefers the Burmese girl to what he finds in London, even though he doesn’t know his east from west at sunrise in the Moulmein Pagoda! Agammamon September 9, 2018 at 8:36 pm “Pcar September 9, 2018 at 6:35 pm . . . btw: fact it was an Irish pub suggests our boys were provoked.” In New York maybe, not in Florida. Outside the traditional Irish enclaves, in the US ‘Irish pub’ just means ‘dark and serves Guinness’. While in the US Navy, we learned to just stay away from the areas the Brit sailors frequented. Chris Miller September 10, 2018 at 9:17 am Back to the geek discussion: I was watching a programme about CERN last night that mentioned 4,000km of cabling. Which puts the claims of 250,000km into perspective. Bloke in North Dorset September 10, 2018 at 9:35 am It does seem unlikely but there will be lots of physical redundancy, possible 3 or 4 different routes to each each major node, with back up nodes. Also, when it comes to fibre if you’re going to install some you may as well add in a number of extra fibres because the incremental cost is marginal and it saves having to install extra cables when you run out of capacity. NiV September 10, 2018 at 10:58 am They may have got the number from this: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/features/equipped-for-the-future An icon in numbers – what does it take to build the largest British warship ever built? Equipment and manpower on an undisputed scale. Like the special crane, 68 metres tall and 120 metres across, that was commissioned just for this project. Or the six UK shipyards involved, not just one – because no single yard was large enough to build the ship in its entirety. And over 250,000km of electrical cable and 8,000km of fibreoptic cable. However, the cable suppliers give a figure of 1800 miles http://electricalcontractingnews.co.uk/news/aei-cables-keeps-qec-afloat/ And the builders say 3100 kilometres https://www.babcockgraduates.com/queen-elizabeth-aircraft-carriers Chris Miller September 10, 2018 at 12:25 pm I refer to my previous back of an envelope – if 250,000km is a correct figure then any transverse cross-section of the ship must cut through ~1 million cables. That’s clearly preposterous and the obvious explanation is a confusion of units somewhere. UTP cable contains 4 pairs or 8 cores, but nobody ever counted that as 8 ‘cables’ (anymore than we count standard domestic power cable three times over). NiV September 10, 2018 at 1:44 pm “That’s clearly preposterous and the obvious explanation is a confusion of units somewhere.” Possibly. But as I noted above, the RN press statement it appears to come from was talking about total equipment and materials in all the shipyards used to build them. (I don’t think you’d fit a 68×120 metre crane on board, either.) How much electrical cabling do you need for six Navy shipyards? Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.