Deeply unsure of this

Actually, no, sure – reject the idea:

For rock music to survive it will have to cut back on testosterone
John Harris

This is to confuse music played on the traditional rock instruments – guitars and drums – with rock itself. Like saying that stuff on the violin is classical music.

A couple of decent enough recentish rock songs. Both of which are testosterone encapsulated. That actually being the point.

This isn’t to insist that only men can play rock. Nor is it to say that other interesting things can’t be done with the same lineups, instruments. It is though rather to insist that rock actually is that primal scream of testosterone leaking out through eyeballs. That being the it of it, the grandfathers’ shovel of it.

25 thoughts on “Deeply unsure of this”

  1. Guardianista soyboy frightened by anything high-T shock!

    Nobody show him any of the Japanese bands like Babymetal or Band-Maid.

  2. guitar sales to women are soaring

    Whenever X is soaring amongst women, the rule of thumb is that X has become safe, boring, and predictable. For example, being a doctor or lawyer used to be an interesting career. Since women have taken over the professions, they’ve become bogged down in form-filling and bureaucratic targets. The armed forces are rapidly going the same way.

    (This is perfectly rational for women, who value stability in a career for obvious child-rearing reasons.)

    I don’t know if the same rule of thumb applies to creative industries; but it doesn’t bode well for guitar music.

  3. Guardian soyboy clutches pearls at the thought of testosterone. Next: bear shits in woods.

    But seriously… as someone who plays guitar, grew up from a very young age listening to rock, has played in several bands and many pub gigs and open mic nights and goes to see live music at least once a month… The “problem” is, and always has been, women just aren’t that interested in it. The only rock music that seems to attract the majority of women fans is ultra-safe, simple, easy-listening pop-rock. The exceptions being goth chicks who buy into the aesthetic and listen to the bands that reflect that and girls who date metalheads who, for the duration of that relationship, listen to their boyfriend’s music (and then stop once the relationship is over). The emo scene attracted quite a few girls in the mid-00s but that was because it was fashionable. They all stopped listening once it became unfashionable whilst the guys stuck around: men are interested in things for what they are, women were there for the image it portrayed.

    This guy claims that male-written rock music is generic. That’s because the kind of “rock” that your typical Guardian soyboy would listen to IS generic. This guy is not the type to venture out of his comfort zone. There is some absolutely fantastic innovative stuff being written in the heavier parts of rock and the general level of quality being delivered, from the smallest of bands, is mind boggling. The bands are really really thinking about their music and delivering impressive song structures, timing and sonic blends that puts every previous era to shame.

  4. @Thud – That’s totally excellent. Top marks for support and encouragement.

    … of testosterone leaking out through eyeballs …

    Use a flannel in the morning. And wash behind your ears too.

  5. Harris misunderstands the motivation of young and not so young male guitarists and I speak as one myself. It’s all about trying to be appealing to girls in the hope of more nookie.

    You’d think that surely someone like John Harris, sporting a wonky teddy bear fizzog that would have been rejected by quality control as a face that no child could possible love, would get this.

  6. For Rock music to survive what exactly?

    The correct response to John Harris is “Fuck right off, twat!”

  7. Henry Crun, I think he means ‘survive the inevitable dog piling by bien pensants’.

    Proving he doesn’t have the vaguest clue here – even the most manufactured pop-rock bands would jump at the chance to play the underdog, the heroic rebel.

    Moqifen, shouldn’t think so, from what little I know of Japan. But they seem to be avoiding the chainsaw-social-engineering variant we have.

  8. Harris completely misses the point of rock music; there isn’t one. It’s a glorious mishmash of everything from crashing powerchords and floor-shaking rhythm sections to orchestral pieces. It’s not about raising social consciences, it’s about raising hell. It’s not about taking tea with a nice young lady, it’s about taking a rock chick over the fuel tank of your motorcycle. It’s about partying with the Devil, not knitting with Jesus, about doing everything that your parents, society, and the government don’t approve of, and it’s fucking GREAT!

  9. Having made comedy a Woke pursuit of non-laughter, the Guardian moves onto pop music.

    I once asked myself if there was any part of life, no matter how trivial, Progressives didn’t want to politicise, dominate and ruin. We all know the answer.

  10. JerryC, those girls would do better to sport bunches and silly, trivial school girl kilts.

    Personally, I think rock, and pop, and all variants of them, are almost always beastly and cretinous – whilst retaining an occasional nostalgic enjoyment in Pink Floyd, Duran Duran, The Eagles, INXS, or whatever, and recognising that it is indeed about getting girls in a low barrier to entry market and, occasionally, these morons do get things right – Led Zepp’s ‘Kashmir’, Queen’s ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’. We can all make exceptions. But generally I would not go out of my way to listen to any of it. These childish things ought for the most part to be left behind, certainly by the age of 40.

    So I am rather conflicted on this one. But if I had to choose a playlist to take with me to a desert island, it’d be Bach over the entire canon of rock and pop. Now there was a man.

  11. I mean different recordings: Gardiner, von Karajan, Richter – all doing the same thing in different ways.

    There’s only one way to perform ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’, by contrast.

  12. Edward, being beastly is rather the point, I think. Cretinous is just the McMusic end of it. Cheap but sells well.

    No one is required to like any part of it, of course.

  13. Actually there’s some pretty good Christian rock out there these days, ain’t just the devil that has the best tunes as was said it’s what you want to make of it a glorious mishmash

  14. “Whenever X is soaring amongst women, the rule of thumb is that X has become safe, boring, and predictable. For example, being a doctor or lawyer used to be an interesting career. Since women have taken over the professions, they’ve become bogged down in form-filling and bureaucratic targets. The armed forces are rapidly going the same way.

    (This is perfectly rational for women, who value stability in a career for obvious child-rearing reasons.)”

    https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_woman_would.html

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