I’m sympathetic to the idea but…..

In the UK the sense is that the core desire is to dismantle the effect of 1945. The aim appears to be the destruction of the welfare state. The object is to recreate the raw brutality of inter-war Britain where poverty was used as an economic and social weapon of control. It did not work. But that does not matter. Ending the idea that the state should provide any form of safety net or have a role in society would appear to be the goal of the Brexiteers and their libertarian funders.

Rilly? Who is saying this? Who is going to disassemble the welfare state? The closest I’ve seen is people suggesting a universal basic income…..

In the States this message is already easier to deliver because welfare provision never made such progress.

Eh? They’ve near 100 million gaining some form of welfare. What’s he on about?

25 thoughts on “I’m sympathetic to the idea but…..”

  1. The only welfare he’s really worried about being dismantled is his own – I hear his EU grant money is coming to an end.

    Projecting a bit though, isn’t he?

  2. ‘The object is to recreate the raw brutality of inter-war Britain where poverty was used as an economic and social weapon of control. It did not work.’

    What didn’t work? It didn’t control? Control what?

    Another Murphy hebephrenic outburst.

  3. Unfortunately, he’s not the only idiot who believes this nonsense. It’s a derangement. Such people are losing contact with reality….

    Cf. Trump Derangement Syndrome, Brexit Derangement Syndrome…

  4. Somewhat like the Tories desire to destroy the NHS ever since Mrs T came to power.

    They were in power from 1979 to 1997 and 2010 to date. What’s that? 28 years to destroy the NHS.

    Yet the left can just lie. And lie and lie. And pointing out all the evidence which contradicts their lies is ‘proof’ in their eyes that you too want to destroy the NHS and are a racist.

  5. Coming to Canada one concern was the differences in the systems, healthcare etc.
    Funny thing is it all works just fine, certainly it has its issues, as does the NHS model, but turns out the U.K. doesn’t have a monopoly on welfare state provision and other places have come up with different solutions.
    Destroying the NHS isn’t necessarily a bad idea, depending on what you replace it with, the left lie that there will be nothing, a barren wasteland of healthcare, is just one of the stupid tricks people believe.
    Actually our vision and dental care is much better in Canada because benefits packages have developed taking payment for those services into account

  6. “Ending the idea that the state should provide any form of safety net or have a role in society would appear to be the goal of the Brexiteers and their libertarian funders.”

    I’ve not come across any libertarians who say there should be no safety net, but I’ve come across *lots* who say it shouldn’t be the state providing it!

    Not that anyone expects this to happen as a result of Brexit.

  7. “Ending the idea that the state should provide any form of safety net or have a role in society would appear to be the goal of the Brexiteers and their libertarian funders.”

    Does the Great Tuber provide any evidence for this claim? I know the odds are heavily against it, but I ask for forms’ sake.

  8. It would not hurt to try to imagine a country without the degree of welfare state that we have now. It’s a pity there is no politician or commentator with the bottle to suggest it and there could be no debate of the idea because it is so ‘shocking’.

  9. Ending the idea that the state should provide any form of safety net or have a role in society would appear to be the goal of the Brexiteers

    All 17.4 million? It’s worse than we thought..

  10. a classic tweet from the parody account:

    “I am strongly in favour of cutting taxes because taxes do not fund public services and tax cuts pay for themselves because the multiplier is always 3 and inflation will never rise and interest rates should stay at the lower bound.”

  11. Henry Crun

    That reminder of the 1948 Classic Western has made me laugh out loud to general bemusment in my office….

  12. BniC,

    The state just want the structure because of the army of pointless jobs and that unions need monopolies to survive.

    I’ve done consultancy for the NHS. The clinical staff generally care about what they’re doing but the bureaucracy are lazy cunts that should be fired.

  13. Dennis the Peasant

    Rilly? Who is saying this?

    “I’ll take ‘Little Voices In His Head’ for $100, Alex.”

  14. Agree Bloke on M4, married to a nurse so I’ve heard a lot about the stupidity of the NHS
    As for Spud you would think a Quaker would be well acquainted with the rich history of charitable care in the U.K. that existed before the current welfare state

  15. @BniC
    Murphy is not a Quaker, just married to one
    The rich history of charitable care in the UK is replete with Catholics and Anglicans. All the work done by monasteries … and the milions of charities set up over the centuries nominating the Vicar and churchwardens as Trustees in perpetuity. Just ask any PCC Hon Treasurer!

  16. Welfare state. You get stuff without working. Why get a job?

    London: “We can’t get workers. We must have immigration to get workers.”

    Immigrants: “I can get stuff without working? Hey, boss, I quit.”

    London: “We must have more immigration!”

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