It’s male rationality that’s the problem Love

Simply put, the research confirms that women recycle more, are more likely to support environmental regulations, know more about the scientific aspects of climate change and are more likely to express concern about its effects.

By all measures, men just seem to care less.

It’s not that they are engaging in aggressively anti-environmental actions necessarily; but on average they simply don’t appear as concerned as my female friends about excess packaging, carbon emissions, reducing plastic products, the zero-waste movement, or sustainability in general.

Some things are indeed important about the environment. Replacing all those coal fire plants with nice clean nuclear for example. Others are just wibble, like much recycling, or positively counterproductive, like using salmonella infested cloth bags instead of one use plastic.

It could also be true that men are simply uncaring thugs. But that’s a choice, a distinction, that should be made by examining the evidence. Or is that sort of logic too male in this discussion?

68 thoughts on “It’s male rationality that’s the problem Love”

  1. A lot of women are stupid busybodies who will kiss whatever arse Big Daddy state tells them to kiss.

    Men however are much more likely to see through the state’s lying cockrot to the truth.

    That Eco-freakery is the middle leg of cultural Marxism.

  2. I called out my marketing lecturer – a woman – this week after she said “serious scientists” have concluded the point of no return on climate change will be reached in 2025. I said we’ve been hearing this since the 1970s, and each time the deadline has passed without incident. Her immediate response was to say “I know you worked in the oil industry, but at some point it will really be too late”. I replied that I’d heard similar sentiments from the preachers when I was forced to attend church as a kid. That got a laugh from the class.

  3. Surreptitious Evil

    Or, as has been mentioned here before, women often control the spending. Therefore, they would be the ones, rationally or otherwise, bothered about excess packaging, reusable bags, food miles etc, etc, and on and on and on.

    ‘Cause the blokes just don’t see it?

  4. “…on average they simply don’t appear as concerned as my female friends about excess packaging, carbon emissions, reducing plastic products, the zero-waste movement, or sustainability in general.”

    I must be a man! Or at least, not a friend of Madeleine Somerville. Which is just fine and dandy by me…

  5. ” know more about the scientific aspects of climate change and are ”

    I guess that explains why most scientists and engineers are women.

  6. When I went to university (15 years ago now) several lecturers talked about climate change and how all scientists agreed. The only professor I had who actually was a scientist in a subject related to climate change (physics) instead laughed his head off every time he mentioned climate change.

  7. Interesting isn’t it how eminent scientists are perfectly happy to declare that “climate change” is a complete crock – once they’ve retired and are no longer beholden to the SJWs who run academia.

    But I’m a bloke with a “Russell Group” scientific education, so what do I know.

  8. TimN you’ve already blotted your copybook and been marked down a’s a trouble causer. Good on you.

  9. ” know more about the scientific aspects of climate change ”

    And how many of them can explain adiabatic lapse rate?

  10. “I called out my marketing lecturer – a woman – this week after she said “serious scientists” have concluded the point of no return on climate change will be reached in 2025.”

    Why was a marketing lecturer talking about climate change?

    I hope you’re paying by the month for this MBA.

  11. It’s true! Mrs G. obsesses about recycling. Several bins for different products…green bottles in one, clear glass in another, blah, blah, blah. I just can’t be arsed. Recycling never makes it onto the list of things I think about, and it’s not a crowded arena. In a similar vein, if Mrs G. sees a sign saying ‘Keep off the grass’ she takes it as sacrosanct. Miscreants should not so much be reprimanded as beaten senseless with a blunt instrument and locked in the Clink. Am ashamed to say when I come across the same sign all I see is a dare.

  12. The problem is that a lot of women don’t deal in the real world of costs. They have well-off partners who fund whatever shit keeps them happy because the alternative is a cock-blocking argument.

    What then takes over is eco as group virtue signalling. It’s lip service to eco. What can you show off to other women as ritual social climbing? None of them want to cut back on real, serious CO2 stuff, though. They won’t move into a terrace house or walk the shopping home or skip the long-haul holiday.

  13. TimN,

    It’s amusing to fire up Google and search for phrases like “within the next decade”, then set the date filter to ≤ 2008 and see how their predictions have borne out.

  14. Bernie: Spot on. My wife tends to take ‘official’ stuff seriously whereas I will evaluate a rule or directive to see whether it’s worth taking note of – it’s sensible (not many), or the consequences of breaking it are too extreme for my taste.

  15. “This choice has dire consequences.” – bit of projection there… the JCR research is more to do with retailers tweaking their offering. I mean Madeleine what’s your stance on pink disposable razors?

  16. MrsBud and I are as one. We happily recycle when it involves no more effort or cost than not recycling, e.g. wine and beer bottles, magazines, etc. can readily be tossed in the recycling bin. Milk cartons, food tins and the like go in the normal bin because we’re not to use time and metered water to rinse them. We buy new bags every time we go shopping (15c in Aus), re-use them as bin or laundry bags and then send them off to landfill just as we did with the free bags. Consideration of our carbon emissions is never a topic of conversation.

    If I’m out walking, however, and come across litter, I’ll pick it up (as long as it’s not a dirty nappy).

  17. Good test of adherence to zero waste. Inspect the contents of a woman’s wardrobe & suggest, since she has that quantity of clothing, there'[s really no need – apart from replacing often washed underwear – to buy anything for about the next couple of decades. Point out, apart from unwanted birthday & Xmas gifts, one has been asiduously following ones own zero waste policy since you met her.
    See how you get on.

  18. ” My wife tends to take ‘official’ stuff seriously whereas I will evaluate a rule or directive to see whether it’s worth taking note of – it’s sensible (not many), or the consequences of breaking it are too extreme for my taste.”

    Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools

  19. After many years, my county solid waste agency has declared an end to recycling glass.

    “Throw it in the bin with the rest of your trash.”

    They finally confessed that it made no sense.

    ‘the research confirms that women recycle more’

    Again, not a complement.

  20. ‘The outcome is that men subconsciously chose to perform fewer environmentally friendly actions in order to protect their masculinity.’

    No, Honey. Men eschew reflexive orthodoxy.

    ‘This choice has dire consequences. We’ve now reached a stage of environmental catastrophe so severe that some experts warn we’re fast approaching the point of no return.’

    Is this that same point we’ve been approaching for 50 years now?

    ‘Virtually every corner of the world is reporting either record heatwaves, voracious wildfires, catastrophic flooding, or mammoth hurricanes – sometimes all four in quick succession.’

    I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate!

  21. ‘Virtually every corner of the world is reporting either record heatwaves, voracious wildfires, catastrophic flooding, or mammoth hurricanes – sometimes all four in quick succession.’

    Jeez, what must their insurance premiums be like!

  22. I don’t care about the environment but that may not be because I am man. It may be because I’m an uncaring person.

    NiV will probably know this but I wonder if any research exists that shows that a woman begins to care less about the environment if she transitions to become a man. Or vice versa. There might be a cut off point. It could become one of the defining differences. Someone’s care about the environment drops below or rises above ‘meh’ and it’s accepted that they’ve transitioned.

  23. Wasn’t the world going to end because of the hole in the Ozone layer? I think that was due to aeresol cans. I remember that from around 1976.

  24. Dennis the Peasant

    Lefty bimbo who once to a chemistry class in high school circles back to THE PATRIARCHY to explain why lots of people refuse to do the stupid shit she does.

    Details at 11.

  25. “They finally confessed that it made no sense.”

    The only thing that makes any sense is alumnium. Put can banks in car parks and offices and you’re done.

    If I was Conservative PM, I’d announce that the first policy post-Brexit would be to scrap the landfill tax, freeing up local people to decide if they wanted to recycle. The Guardian and all their pals would go fucking apoplectic, but when Conservative councillors started promising weekly bin collections, they’d win a ton of seats.

  26. I’ve always said that in a country full of holes, landfill makes the most sense. And from a recycling point of view it does as well – one day plastics and other materials we’ve buried in the ground may be worth many times what they are today, at which point we can dig mine the landfills for raw materials. Everyone’s a winner. We get cheap waste disposal today, tomorrow gets to reuse the plastic etc when/if the raw materials run out and there’s no alternative.

  27. Also, men tend to be better with numbers and statisrics:

    UK throws away a scarey 10.2 million tonnes of food per year – something must be done

    Well, that works out to (population 70 million) every man, woman & child each throw away 335g of food everyday

    Family of four throws away 1.3 kg (~3lbs) of food everyday

    Bollocks.

  28. @Pcar

    Ah, but as a gratuitous show of affluence, I buy tons of food every day and then trample it under foot in front of the poor people queuing outside food banks whilst laughing and shouting “this would have made Maggie laugh”

    Perhaps that bumps the average up?

  29. Pcar,

    The problem I have with all these sorts of numbers is that you can spend 10 minutes reading on the internet about the methodology and immediately discredit what you’ve read. They include eggshells, the outer leaves of plants, the gristle on steak. At which point, you know they’re just propagandists rather than an organisation trying to produce good figures to work from.

    I’m not even saying there isn’t a problem. But the numbers measuring it are junk.

  30. Bloke in North Dorset

    DocBud,

    “If I’m out walking, however, and come across litter, I’ll pick it up (as long as it’s not a dirty nappy).”

    Ditto, except ….

    I was out doing a relatively easy and made up section of the SW Coast path* last Sunday and came across a white dog shit bag hanging from a barbed wire fence. This makes my blood boil as people do it round here as well. Who the fuck do they think is going to clear it up? Dog shit is a problem in towns, on pavements and is a real health hazard in playgrounds, but out in the country just flick it in to the rough and let nature take its course.

    * I started just outside Appledore (Barnstaple) round the top and down past Westward Ho (dog bag was about 3 miles south of WH) until I got to due west of Bideford, then across to Bideford and back up the other side. If the intrepid Polish walker or Guardian hack are reading, that’s 13 miles in just under 4 hours carrying about 10Kgs, and I’m 62 next month.

  31. Most campaigners are campaigning for . . . themselves. Any story that gets people to send them money is a good story.

  32. US politics doesn’t really impact on us in the UK. Not really. Not on a day to day basis. Not unless it’s a really big big thing. And a new US Supreme Court Judge isn’t something that is ever ever likely to impact on anything that happens to me.

    But the BBC seems to think it does matter. The BBC seems to think everything Donald Trump does is worth reporting on, especially if the BBC can report on it in a negative way and especially especially if they can spin it as an indication that Trump is unpopular, going to fail as president or be impeached. So even though I don’t care about Brett Kavanaugh being appointed as a judge, I am happy because it will annoy SJWs in general and the BBC in particular.

    Ha, ha, fucking ha.

  33. Sounds a great walk, BiND, haven’t been up that way for a few years.

    We were in West Bay a couple of weeks back. MrsBud and I did some of the more strenuous walks along the cliffs early in the morning. As my mum is 87 and has restricted walking ability, we took her for a stroll around Langdon Hill:

    https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/golden-cap/trails/langdon-hill-walk

    We then went for coffee and cake at Felicity’s Farm shop, the views from the picnic tables are stunning:

    http://www.felicitysfarmshop.co.uk/index.html

  34. One good thing to come out of the ugly Kavanaugh confirmation process – apart from the actual appointment of course – is that the toxic feminists with their ‘Believe Rape Survivors’ placards have provided us with a good reference example of the oft misused term ‘begging the question.’ So there’s that.

  35. Bloke in North Dorset

    DocBud,

    We like West Bay. Mrs BiND has done quite a few paintings of the harbour.

    Golden Cap is a great walk, but then where isn’t in Dorset.

    When God made Yorkshire he decided Dorset would be a close second best to allow us to compromise with our spouses.

  36. Jim said:
    “I’ve always said that in a country full of holes, landfill makes the most sense.”

    And if there aren’t enough holes, it’s because we aren’t building enough roads.

  37. Well said, AndyC!

    The Democrats have gone apeshit.

    One struggles to understand what they are thinking. In a rational world, it would be political suicide.

  38. To return to the original article, I thought it was verboten to suggest that, at a population level, the were differences between men and women that led to, at a population level, men and women making different choices and thus their actions having different outcomes. Or does that only apply to career choices?

    Yours aye,
    Confused

  39. Kavanaugh not in spell checker yet. But in Wikipedia.

    Kavanaugh said several times he will be fair and even handed. I hope he’s not. I know he recognizes the evil that confronted him at confirmation. Being ‘fair’ with evil is not a virtue.

    Kavanaugh is now one of the most power people in America. Democrats are so sure of their power that they thought they could trash him and get away with it. Republicans are such pussies that they will not confront evil.

    The Dems come up with a ridiculous indictment for something that allegedly happened when Kavanaugh was a kid, 37 years ago [or was it 36?]. The Democrats should have been laughed at. Instead, they were give weeks of attention. And the opportunity to bring forth more silly similar indictments. There is no shortage of women who would take one for the team. The Dems were no more diligent with the new allegations than with the old, and grew even more preposterous.

    Having Kavanaugh on the Court is yuge, but the plague of Democrats persists.

  40. My wife tends to take ‘official’ stuff seriously

    Every woman adores a Fascist.

    Simply put, the research confirms that women recycle more

    Anyone who has ever been lucky enough to have a woman in the house knows that the ladies consume far more plastic crap than men do.

    How much more? Insanely more. For example, a typical chap’s toiletries consist of: a bar of soap, a toothbrush, some shaving gear, and a deodorant (assuming he’s not Frankish).

    But go into any bathroom used by the fairer sex, and it’s like a mad scientist’s laboratory of potions and lotions, creams and cosmetics – as many as the available space allows and then some.

    The same applies to every other part of the house. Is it men who demand the kitchen be filled with gadgets and gizmos aplenty? Do blokes populate the living room with whosits and whatsits galore?

    You want thingamabobs? They’ve got twenty!

    But who cares? No big deal. They want more.

    Rex Harrison wanted to know why a woman can’t be more like a man. The answer is that girls are closely related to magpies.

  41. Gamecock,

    I doubt they planned it, but the effect of Kavanaugh is going to be big:

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1048545324892078080

    It doesn’t matter if the democratic feminist end game is locking up men on nothing but a say-so of a woman in a sexual abuse case. But it’s planted “they might” in the mind of millions of men, and they’re not going to vote for that.

    I reckon it’s won Trump the re-election and that’s going to be so beautiful if it happens.

  42. But BoM4, Democrat behavior has been ridiculous for years. I keep waiting for rational people to say, “Enough!”

    But then this maybe what that looks like.

  43. Gamecock,

    I think that this is about proof. The democrats have had plausible deniability for decades. “Haha, people keep saying we’re crazy man-hating feminists”. You can at the very least interpret what they did as crazy man-hating – putting someone through an enquiry process based on flaky evidence.

    After this, I really want Trump to win again. Because the meltdown from The Right Sort of People, possibly facing another Trump supreme judge will be epic.

  44. @steve

    …How much more? Insanely more. For example, a typical chap’s toiletries consist of: a bar of soap, a toothbrush, some shaving gear, and a deodorant (assuming he’s not Frankish).

    But go into any bathroom used by the fairer sex, and it’s like a mad scientist’s laboratory of potions and lotions, creams and cosmetics – as many as the available space allows and then some.

    The same applies to every other part of the house…

    +1 spot on

    Also, all those potions must be in nice/pretty containers and be colour co-ordinated

  45. More to the point, Tim, why’s she talking to you about climate change on your dime?

    She mentioned it only briefly, and I’m confident she won’t again.

  46. People in general are more likely to distrust their own sex than the other because they have intimate knowledge of the kind of shit their own sex gets up to.

  47. +Tim Newman

    Your marketing lecturer gave climate change as an example of good marketing, that’s why. The definition of marketing being to get people to buy into your brand. Marketing is more often persuasive than rational. Even rational people like the other Tim have bought climate change. Thus endeth the first lesson.

  48. Most of the plastic in the oceans gets there from 10 rivers, all in Africa and Asian. Not from European rivers.

    So there’s nothing we in Europe can do to reduce that flow of garbage from African and asian countries…..unless we resume the White Man’s Burden.

    Somehow, I don’t think the lefties realise that’s what they are advocating.

  49. @ Tim the Coder
    Six of these rivers flow enitirely or partly through China. So cutting down the amount of plastic that we send to China to be recycled but just gets dumped in the Yellow River *will* reduce it.
    Not by much but “The Guardian” and “a sense of proportion” should only ever be in the same page as antonyms.

  50. The Grauniad tries to suggest that it’s not “male” to care about the environment and if you avoid suggesting that it is feminist to recycle men will recycle more. Bollocks to part (i) and whose fault is it except the Grauniad’s if (ii) is actually true rather than made-up.
    The survival of the environment in the UK is down to thousands of generations of male farmers who have “husbanded” it – notice the word for caring for the environment is “husbandry” not “wifery”.
    The authoress obviously believes recycling husbands: fortunately my wife’s compost bin only goes as far as recycling vegetable matter.

  51. @John 77
    So we collect and sort the waste, burn fossil fuel shipping it 12,000 miles around the world, and then they tip it in the sea!!! Why don’t we just cut out the middleman and tip it in the sea ourselves! 🙂 I’m sure the Grauniad would approve of the reduced energy carbon miles or somesuch.
    Anyone know why we do this? Is it just a scam from endless unaccountable subcontractors bidding for “waste disposal” and Uk councils not caring too much?
    I thought China had attempted to stop such waste imports…
    It’s a funny world.

  52. @ Tim the Coder
    Of course it’s a bloody scam!
    China has only started to stop waste imports because enough people had kicked up a fuss about it being a scam and some of Xijingping’s supporters could be tarnished by an investigation.

  53. AIUI the problem is the compulsory EU charges on landfill, so it becomes ‘cheaper’ to ship plastic waste to China (or wherever).

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