The actual allegations against Philip Green

The source alleged Green’s behaviour included:

walking into meetings and giving women present a lingering hug
asking women in meetings if they were “naughty girls”, and if they “needed their bottoms slapped”
creeping up behind women in corridors to make them jump, before caressing their shoulders to “reassure” them
calling women “sweetheart”, “darling” or “love”, rather than by their names
telling women they were overweight and should go on a diet
flying into expletive-ridden rages abusing male and female staff in front of colleagues

My word, that is terrible behaviour, isn’t it? And the thing is we seem to have so feminised the workplace – of snowflaked perhaps – that is is seen as terrible behaviour.

30 thoughts on “The actual allegations against Philip Green”

  1. I don’t know, as a man I really wouldn’t want a woman behaving like that towards me in the workplace. Have a bit of empathy for folk and it’s fine. Advances like that shouldn’t really be made at work anyway.

    I’ll probably be accused of being “humourless” and “being all PC” by people with A Sense of Humour™.

  2. “Newspapers are full of people who are a bit of an arse, ot worse.”

    Newspapers are written by people who are absolute arseholes–mostly socialist . Amongst the nastiest most deceitful scum presently soiling this planet.

    Shouting at folk is bad manners. Green sounds like a standard bighead who thinks the Sun shines out of his arsehole.

    Other than that the “charges” are pathetic femmi-shite.

    BiP–When it gets to giving aid and comfort to the Marxian scum of the Earth by siding with them “humourless” is not a phrase that applies. “Useful idiot” would be a better description. Far too many have absorbed socialist shite.

    Go ahead and endorse their shite. Just don’t complain when some skank-scum get around to your turn for allegedly looking sideways at her or some other trivial to non-existent bullshit .

  3. Actually it is bad behaviour. He is an arse who isn’t fit for the boardroom.

    And that’s about it really, the sum total of the ‘crime’. Strikes me the biggest crime is the huge payouts to snowflakes for something but not very much.

  4. So he was too much of a wimp to throw phones at people?

    Mind you, he’s probably not a socialist is he? So he wouldn’t get the Gordon Brown free pass…

  5. He spent a fair bit of money to keep that quiet, which suggests that there may be more serious accusations yet to emerge.

  6. It appears he’s the sort of person that we used to just describe as a cunt.

    No one was forced to work for this prick. I’d quit if my bosses behaved like that.

  7. @DJ

    To be fair, for lots of people – particularly those who do not have another job lined up already or are at a stage in their career where they don’t feel they can afford a short posting or a poor reference – quitting may not be a viable option, at least in the short term. If it was inappropriate behaviour from a middle manager then it might just be worth taking the risk of whistle blowing, but at least worth seeing if you can get a departnental transfer. When it’s the Big Boss though, you could feel very trapped.

  8. Charles Moore has a good article in today’s Telegraph, on how very modern it is to be Victorian. “Except that the man is now more at risk of ruin than the woman. At its worst, our humourless modern puritanism produces the equivalents of Victorians covering piano legs. The search for ‘micro-aggressions’ in matters of sex or race, for example, can produce true madness and shocking false accusations.”

  9. I have known a few blokes who may have been brilliant at their jobs or in some field, but were foolish and thoughtless in other ways. You might do a deal with them, but not invite them to dinner or introduce them to the ladies.

  10. It’s not a microaggression. The man was acting like a prize twat. Looking at someone sideways is a bit different from slapping an unconsenting woman on the backside. If I did it I’d expect social ostracism.

  11. JuliaM:

    He’s a monster!

    I do note that you – and women like you – are all ready to decry these women as being whingeing crybabies but you seem less forthcoming when it does by all accounts appear when women genuinely are the victims. I’m not saying you have done this because I cannot back this up, but the kind of people that think most harassment is snowflakey crybabies rather than things that should indeed be taken seriously.

    There’s a balance to be struck – you’re too far one way.

  12. ’calling women “sweetheart”, “darling” or “love”, rather than by their names’

    oop north, it’s common parlance, love, as you know, and that’s both M > F and F > M (no idea about T on T).

  13. Like use of certain words hugging is cultural to some degree, some parts it’s standard greeting, I’ve had colleague who routinely greet people with a hug (m or f) and aren’t we told we have to respect others culture
    That said guy sounds like typical arrogant arse, but no worse than many politicians, Hilary’s record on employee harassment is worse

  14. “a bit different from slapping an unconsenting woman on the backside”: did none of these women just slap his face? Why not?

  15. Bloke in North Dorset

    There was a comment on the Speccie daily podcast that some of the women under NDA are pissed off that he was named.

    As Jim says, bullying seems to be OK as a price for thwarting Brexit. So we’re happy with the concept of bullying being OK at a price, all we need now is a schedule of those prices to sure Green paid them.

  16. Typical behaviour of a 50+ Cockney market stall trader, I’d imagine Sugar is similar. Transcripts of Sugar’s chats with Piers Morgan suggest so. Footballers similar or worse.

  17. Not sure about Sugar. He was a prim little fucker when he was running Ambit in a room over Brentwood Taxis. A pal’s girlfriend was his PA for a while at Amstrad. Highly scrumptious she was as well. But never said anything against him.

    But Pcar’s not wrong. In certain industries, back in the 70s & even into the 80s the boss behaving like this would have been generally approved. It’s the rag trade, FFS! The big boss showing his still one of the lads at heart, up for a bit of banter. The women would have been preening because they’d been noticed. How else would he be supposed to show it. Compliment them on their dissertation for their first in English Lit? He didn’t come from a barrow boy background but that was the world he made his pile.When in Rome.

  18. MBE,

    Fair point.

    I think my problem is that we hear so much BS on matters like this from the ‘progressives’ (“oh I got microagressed because the work experience kid stared at my tits… etc etc) it becomes easy to get flippant about genuine awful behavior.

  19. BinP: “…but you seem less forthcoming when it does by all accounts appear when women genuinely are the victims. I’m not saying you have done this because I cannot back this up…”

    Well, then, guess I can safely ignore anything else you might say.

  20. “walking into meetings and giving women present a lingering hug”

    how do you measure “lingering” from otherwise?

    “asking women in meetings if they were “naughty girls”, and if they “needed their bottoms slapped””

    oh FFS. This is banter, you humourless fuckers.

    “creeping up behind women in corridors to make them jump, before caressing their shoulders to “reassure” them”

    Maybe, but even then, maybe just pulled a prank and realised it had genuinely upset someone.

    “calling women “sweetheart”, “darling” or “love”, rather than by their names”

    Edna Mode, Mike Read and most of Yorkshire are rapists.

    “telling women they were overweight and should go on a diet”

    Isn’t the state telling us this every day? Maybe he just wanted to help the obesity crisis.

    “flying into expletive-ridden rages abusing male and female staff in front of colleagues”

    Did they deserve it? I’m not saying going off on a sweary rage at someone is professional, but I’m going to side with a boss going on a sweary rage if the employee was acting like a cunt. I’ve rarely seen an undeserved one.

  21. @DJ

    Appreciated.

    I think there’s always going to be trouble knowing where lines stand when social norms are in transition, or divergent cultural expectations are coming into contact with each other. (For example, I’ve got some Muslim friends who will not make physical contact with someone from the opposite sex, same for some Orthodox Jews I’ve known in the past, even at the “limp British handshake” level of interaction – while even I don’t feel comfortable with the “greet by hug” or “kiss on both cheeks” approaches that some people, generally not British, have employed upon me.) Fwiw I do think some of the behaviour described here is firmly in the “arse or above” category, rather than “microaggression”, and there’s always the possibility that there’s other stuff that hasn’t reached the public domain.

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