I know that lots of jobs are stressful, but no matter the job you do, you should get paid enough to live a fulfilling life.

Why does the universe owe you a fulfilling life?

45 thoughts on “Why?”

  1. what exactly is “enough to live a fulfilling life.“. Enough for a single person? Someone with three kids? Does it mean part time bar staff should be paid £40,000 a year?

    News at ten: robots to replace bar staff

  2. Interesting that the only places with patchy support for the strike were where housing is ridiculously expensive.
    Anecdotally supporting the claim that conservative planning policy produces lefties.

  3. Katie Southworth has a vast sense of entitlement. Jobs such as hers are for people wanting part-time, additional or temporary work. If she wants a higher income, she should get some relevant qualifications.

  4. @ Bongo
    She is in Brighton – you know, the place with a Labour-led Council and a Green MP and Sussex University.
    The first strikes were in Cambridge (with a Labour Council) and Crayford, a small town swallowed by Bexley whose most noteworthy feature is a Greyhound Stadium.
    More plausible is that left-wingers act to create conditions that will make workers more left-wing

  5. Of course conservative planning policy produces lefties.

    When you actively obstruct the production of sufficient stuff to fulfil everyone’s needs for the nefarious purpose of effortlessly increasing the nominal value of your/client electorate’s stuff, then the excluded are going to feel quite justified in taking some of your stuff off you.

  6. Bloke in Germany,.

    When was the last time that Brighton had a Conservative council?

    Everyone’s as bad as Conservatives. They’re just less honest about it. The greens will talk about loss of nature and how brownfield should be built on. Lib Dems will create other obstructions like sensitivity to current housing.

  7. “Everyone’s as bad as Conservatives. ”

    That’s as neat a description of UK politics as I’ve ever heard.

  8. “The basic wage of £10 an hour has to be paid to workers of all ages. Currently, across the sector, workers under 18 do the same work, yet get paid so little. They don’t get a discount at the checkout when they do their weekly shop, so why should they get paid any less?”

    Because they aren’t adults, and are therefore expected to be living at home supported by their parents?

  9. When was the last time Brighton and Hove could legally tell Westminster to stick its planning laws where the sun don’t shine?

    Come to think of it, when was the last time Labour was left-wing? It’s only ever been left-wing in the “soak the rich” sense. Planning is a corn law – ban production to support prices. The solution is liberal (scrap the law) but the problem turns most people into confiscatory socialists instead.

  10. Bongo,

    Policy is part of it, but some places are just expensive for other reasons. Brighton has been expensive for decades. It’s one of the closest seaside places to London.

    Average house price is £360k. Cardiff is £230k. Exeter is £250k. I don’t like those last two numbers but you’re adding 50% to your rent studying in Brighton

  11. BiG,

    “When was the last time Brighton and Hove could legally tell Westminster to stick its planning laws where the sun don’t shine?”

    What laws exist that stop B&H from building? Ok, there’s certain sensible planning laws about light and space and things but central government isn’t stopping anyone building houses. It’s the residents that do that.

  12. Well, despite being young and stupid, she’s right. Nobody should be employed and paid at a level incapable of providing a fulfilling life.

    Also, nobody should be paid more than the value of their inputs/contributions.

    So she’s simply demanding either that burger flippers should be happy with their sad, greasy lives; or that she and hundreds of thousands of others should not be employed.

    Being stupid, she probably doesn’t realise this, though…

  13. ‘This is why we’re standing together to say the time for change has come.’

    Sounds like Obama’s hopy-changy schtick.

    Labor is a commodity. Subject to market forces. The strike will produce changes. Quite likely, Ms Katie won’t like any of them. Her replacement will speak broken English.

  14. Wearing my English nationalist hat a lot of the demand for increased housing has been through immigration. I’d rather we dealt with that than apply theoretical liberal values to the supply of housing i.e. build anywhere.

    On the main topic all these people demanding better wages are normally the same people who demand more regulation. They can never see the connection between the two outcomes.

    OK OK so I’m calling for more regulation in the form of reduced immigration, and that’s a bit of a contradiction with my previous argument. But both are essentially dealing with problems in your own borders.

  15. @BOM4,

    I don’t know off the top of my head, but given that you can count the number of free-building parishes in England and Wales on the remaining digits of a quadruple-amputee, I am just guessing that there are manifold parliamentary restrictions on what councils can allow.

  16. Gamecock,

    Her replacement will probably have a machine American accent as you press the buttons for your automated order.

    On my recent visit to the UK, I encountered the Wetherspoons app through which one can order and pay for your drinks and have them delivered to your table by totally disinterested staff. I visited Wetherspoons in Ilkley, Hemsworth and Rotherham (a real shithole) and can’t say I’d rush back to any of them.

  17. Bloke in Germany,

    “I don’t know off the top of my head, but given that you can count the number of free-building parishes in England and Wales on the remaining digits of a quadruple-amputee, I am just guessing that there are manifold parliamentary restrictions on what councils can allow.”

    You’re guessing wrong. The problem is that people vote against the field near them being built on. If anything, the most liberal part of the whole thing is central government, which will sometimes overrule local planning when they break the rules by preventing a development that should go ahead.

    There’s arguments about taxation and how we could encourage house building, but most of it is voters threatening councillors if some building goes ahead.

  18. When you earn less than £9 an hour, it’s impossible to afford a place of your own in Brighton, where I live. How can people like me live our best lives if we’re splitting bills with five flatmates and arguing over the shared bathroom?

    How times change. When working (all hours) / studying for professional exams, many / most shared to some extent until qualified. It was “normal”.. And apparently more of us are now “in poverty”.

  19. May be let the CGT gain from a landowner selling to a developer go to the lowest Council level starting from parish upwards. Then there’s an incentive to local coffers to issue the chitties.
    And abolish anything planning related with the word ‘National’ in front of it, even national rules about the right to light.

  20. Thanks for the correction. So it’s inbuilt conservatism that explains why there isn’t a parish in the land where you can build what the feck you want without some prodnose demanding a bakhanda?

  21. “You’re guessing wrong. The problem is that people vote against the field near them being built on. If anything, the most liberal part of the whole thing is central government, which will sometimes overrule local planning when they break the rules by preventing a development that should go ahead.”

    This is correct. Its central government that forces councils to allow development, via the system of predicting housing demand and making sure every council has sufficient new housing supply to meet it. Backed up by legal targets for house building, which if missed can be cited by developers in appeals to central government for permissions refused by the boroughs.

    Thus if any LA refuses to identify areas for development in its area, and consistently chucks out planning proposals by developers, they can go to appeal and will get their permission on appeal, resulting in the council having little say over what goes where. In order to have some control over the process councils are forced to indentify sites for development in the Local Plans, and grant permission when applications are made for those sites. Absent this process I’m sure local voter pressure would force councils to stop all development stone dead.

    Local voters are generally BANAANAS – Build Absolutely Nothing At All Near Anyone.

  22. I often see people referring to ’employers subsidised by government’ to describe low wage staff.

    Employers are not subsidised – the worker is subsidised if a government worker agrees they should be.
    Two people doing the same job, say £16k a year. One has 2 kids and one doesn’t have any.
    The one with kids gets government subsidy. The one without kids doesn’t.
    Both get paid the same for the same work.

    Applied for a job last night, £10 an hour. Didn’t get it. Is £10 an hour too low?
    Is £20 an hour too low?

  23. Bloke on M4 said:
    “If anything, the most liberal part of the whole thing is central government”

    Probably correct when it comes to giving out planning permissions. But a lot of the problem is also central government, particularly over-restrictive building regulations and social housing requirements that add hugely to the cost of building.

  24. All depends on your skills, Martin, and how many people are able to do the job. I wouldn’t get out of bed for either amount.

  25. PF: And she’s another idiot who doesn’t know the different between “earn” and “paid”. Or more likely, she does and is deliberately misusing them. “I *DEMAND* to be paid more than I earn, BECAUSE!!!!”

  26. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Stressful? You’re a fucking barmaid, love. A monkey could do your job, and based on some of the interactions I’ve had with people of your ilk in the UK, frequently does. Catering staff are about the most fungible class of employees it’s possible to think of. They’re as interchangeable as the burger robots that are going to replace them wholesale if they keep this shit up.

  27. ‘Build anywhere freely’ is libertarian idiocy in a crowded island. And it ain’t ever going to happen, so it can be ignored.

    Meanwhile, the Adam Smith Institute has produced a list of 100 policy recommendations. Most seem most acceptable! Apart from No 64. The UK is full and needs less diversity. And low-value dodgy dagos from Venezuela aren’t a priority.

    https://www.adamsmith.org/100-policies-for-mrs-may-1/

  28. At least barmaids a job where there is a potential for tips I’m assuming that she didn’t account for that

  29. “The basic wage of £10 an hour has to be paid to workers of all ages”

    I don’t get ‘paid’ my salary. I earn it. Because I earn more for my employer than I earn, my employer can afford to pay me.

    Both my employer and I know this.

  30. Bloke on M4:

    “What laws exist that stop B&H from building? Ok, there’s certain sensible planning laws about light and space and things but central government isn’t stopping anyone building houses. It’s the residents that do that.”

    I’m not a resident of Brighton or Hove-Actually, but IIRC, the South Downs (to the north, obvs) is a national park and therefore restricted by central government. And it gets a little damp to the south.

    But yes, mostly it’s NIMBYs. Or BANANAs. (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything)

  31. She should get a job on an oil rig. She’d earn shitloads more money AND she’d be striking a blow against the Patriarchy. Go for it, love! We are behind you all the way!

  32. Robert – in the UK you can tip bar staff. My nephew can work a shift at the bar he works on a Saturday night and come home with £70 in tips. Plus his wage.

  33. Nautical Nick said:
    “the South Downs (to the north, obvs) is a national park and therefore restricted by central government.”

    Good point. I had a look at the map and there is pretty much no land around Brighton that isn’t already built on or in the National Park (where building is controlled by statute and the National Park Authority, not the local council).

    There’s a few bits of land in Brighton (allotments, the cemetery, a sports field, a rather undistinguished looking manor house in what’s now a park); some of that could go, but there isn’t actually very much space to build on.

    They could try increasing density, but huge chunks of Brighton are probably Listed or in Conservation Areas, so difficult to do much.

    Looks rather like Brighton is restricted by the national government, keeping it as London’s seaside playground.

  34. “Looks rather like Brighton is restricted by the national government”

    And the odds of the citizens of Brighton voting to end the National Park development ban if they were given that choice?

  35. – “you should get paid enough to live a fulfilling life”

    For sheer trite, out-of-touch, middle-class fuck-wittery it falls somewhere between John Lennon’s ‘war is over if you want it’ and Marie Antoinette’s ‘let them each cake.’

    It’s like being a fly on the wall at a Guardian dinner party.

  36. How times change. When working (all hours) / studying for professional exams, many / most shared to some extent until qualified. It was “normal”.. And apparently more of us are now “in poverty”.

    I suspect this is a function of increased wealth and small family sizes. In the past, kids would have shared a room growing up and the house would have been spartan, so sharing a house is no big deal. Nowadays, kids get their own room with TV and sometimes an en suite, and have no concept of sharing.

  37. I think ‘cake’ is a euphemism.

    I have no doubt that Marie Antoinette said, “Let them eat p#$sy.”

    But that couldn’t be printed.

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