On the subject of tomorrow

Let’s put a name to one Stan Chamberlain 149 Sqdn lost over Germany 7/8 September 1941in Wellington X9705. 5 others lost with him. His only child, a son, was born after he died. Standing in front of 6 gravestones and especially holding the telegram received by Ellen is extraordinarily moving. Real real people. I wear a poppy not glorify but to remember. My FiL has lived with the loss his whole life.

We who grow old remember….

19 thoughts on “On the subject of tomorrow”

  1. Indeed. Some twisted minds think we have these ceremonies to glorify war, some even suggest that the poppy is “racist” for God’s sake.

    It is all about remembering those who gave their tomorrow, so that we could our today.

    We WILL remember them.

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    Not come across this one before:

    I am not a badge of honour,
    I am not a racist smear,
    I am not a fashion statement,
    To be worn but once a year,
    I am not glorification
    Of conflict or of war.

    I am not a paper ornament
    A token,
    I am more.

    I am a loving memory,
    Of a father or a son,
    A permanent reminder
    Of each and every one.

    I’m paper or enamel
    I’m old or shining new,
    I’m a way of saying thank you,
    To every one of you.

    I am a simple poppy
    A Reminder to you all,
    That courage faith and honour,
    Will stand where heroes fall.

  3. My mother’s brother went down in his Wellington somewhere over North Africa. No graves, of course. Just FTR.

    If anything, poppies are for the families who didn’t lose someone. For those who did, it’s not just remembering one day a year, is it?

  4. If you are able,
    save for them a place inside of you
    and spare one backward glance
    when you are leaving
    for the places they can no longer go.

    Be not ashamed to say you loved them,
    though you may or may not have always.

    Take what they have taught you
    with their dying
    and keep it with your own.

    And in that time when men decide and feel safe
    to call the war insane
    take one moment to embrace
    those gentle heroes
    you left behind.

    –Major Michael Davis O’Donnell US Army,
    KIA near Dak To, Vietnam, January 1970

  5. And of course, Macron takes the opportunity to say we need a European Army to fend off the USA….


    Like taking a pea-shooter to a gun-fight. And would you want to rely on cheese-eating surrender monkeys, Italian tanks and German towels?

  6. CM scum, devaluing England’s accomplishments.

    If you can’t glorify the defeat of Nazi Germany, what can you glorify?

    CM want you to accept their tyranny. Their anti war posturing is to get you to break down your resistance.

    Could you save the Falklands now?

    Failure to maintain a strong military after WWI emboldened Hitler.

    Deja vu, all over again.

  7. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    But remember Gamecock, that they didn’t want us to save the Falklandsv first time around.

    It affected my poitical beliefs forever. I was still at school during the Falklands and was horrified that my teachers ( to a man ) were against the war and wanted us to hand the islands over to a, literally, Fascist dictatorship. It still astiunds me that such peopl can be so brazenly hypocritical ( eg where have all the anti-EU disappeared? Why do they not support Brexit ? Why do they support the Establishment ? Only because it all happened under the Tories. )

  8. Bloke in North Dorset

    A comment at NN’s link (my emphasis):


    The photo at 5.50 is from the funeral of a young medic from Northern Ireland, Cpl Channing Day, killed in action in Afghanistan. I had the sorry privilege of “sounding the Last Post and chorus” at her burial. This song reminds of my fallen comrades and brings a tear to my eye each time I hear it. Rest in peace Channing and L/Cpl Mervyn Johnston.

    I know women in the front line isn’t popular in this parts but like it or not they are out there and making the ultimate sacrifice. As I said in a previous thread, Jonny Mercer in his book We Were Warriors had no problems with women serving in Afghanistan.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset


    That link’s interesting but assumes the political will to fight.

    It was often said during and after ’82 that all Galtieri had to do was wait for a Labour government. For all his faults I think Foot would have responded in the same way to an invasion.

    However I’m in no doubt that what would have been different is that he would have been prepared negotiated a long term transfer of the Falklands, perhaps over 50 years because prior to the invasion the Islanders were on good terms with Argentina and would probably have accepted it.

    I have no doubt that Corbyn is from a different mold and would not have lifted a finger, perhaps even saying the Islanders deserved it.

  10. It’s not just those who died straight away or in hospital – they are, of course and rightly the focus of Remembrance Day, but many of the “survivors” suffered horrendously.
    Some of the sufferers from “shell-shock” (now called PSTD were, arguably, worse off than those who died spending the rest of their lives in mental hospitals.
    When I was young the money raised from selling poppies was used to help those who had survived but been crippled; the poppies were made by disabled war veterans.
    On a personal note my great-uncles both volunteered 1914, both got badly wounded early 1917 and sent back to England to (coincidentally the same) hospital then went back to fight again. The younger was in pain for the rest of his life (just over 50 years) but worked to financially support his sisters, one of whom was a widow and the other a spinster (because, I was told, *all* her boyfriends died at the front).

  11. I was a young child during WW2 and remember my neighbours two sons were called up.They both returned home but the younger one spent the rest of his life in the local Mental Hospital having been caught in a shell explosion.His older brother always blamed himself for not looking after him properly. I was in Preston Town Hall a few years ago and stopped to look at the long list of names on the War Memorial.I got a shock to find a namesake in the list. I remained very subdued for the rest of that day.

  12. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    I am in Berlin and went with a German friend to Remembrance Day ceremony at Stahnsdorf CWGC Cemetary. Local UK military attache in attendance. Very moving with excellent speech from local pastor.

    Looking at the stones it was particularly sobering to see how many had died after the war. These men were mostly POWs,but a large swathe perished from influenza and pneumonia in November and December. A few were killed during peacekeeping operatins in 1920 in Silesia.

  13. @Bloke in North Dorset, November 10, 2018 at 9:38 pm

    Good point. With Falklands being so remote from UK, I do wonder if RAF/Army/Navy would act first, then seek approval; especially if a Corbyn or other pacifist/hostile UK Gov’t was in power.

    PS: I like YT’s “recommended for you” sidebar, some interesting, some not – I’m not Offended by no-interest ones!

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