Once it’s made possible it does appear to become probably, doesn’t it?

We’ve seen this case before:

Dutch officials are set to prosecute a nursing home doctor for euthanising an elderly woman with dementia, the first time a doctor has been charged since the Netherlands legalised euthanasia in 2002.

Dutch prosecutors claimed in a statement the doctor “had not acted carefully” and “overstepped a line” when she performed euthanasia. Officials first began probing the case in September, when they allegedly found the doctor had drugged the patient’s coffee and then had family members hold her down while delivering the fatal injection.

The doctor said she was fulfilling the patient’s earlier euthanasia request and that since the patient was not competent, nothing the woman said during her euthanasia procedure was relevant.

But Dutch prosecutors argued that the patient’s written euthanasia request was “unclear and contradictory.”

“In her living will, the woman wrote that she wanted to be euthanised ‘whenever I think the time is right.’ But after being asked several times in the nursing home whether she wanted to die, she said, ‘Not just now, it’s not so bad yet,'” according to an earlier report by one of the Netherlands’ euthanasia review committees.

Murdering someone is “overstepping the line” these days.

24 thoughts on “Once it’s made possible it does appear to become probably, doesn’t it?”

  1. The same thing could happen in this country. I spent 5 weeks in Kings College Hospital in south London after falling over in the street and was the subject of a ‘denial of liberty’ order. The nurses told me they had a duty to protect the public from ‘people like me’. The basis for the D.O.L. order was that I had had brain surgery, but after being released one of the doctors who treated my initial injuries told me that I had not had any brain surgery, as did my GP who noticed the lack of scarring.

    A D.O.L order is intended for patients with advanced senile dementia. As I was only 61, the hospital had obviously made a false declaration and used the law to get away with doing whatever they wanted.

  2. Not casting aspersions, Tom, but I find it rather strange that the NHS believes it has ‘a duty to protect the public’ from a man who falls over in the street yet seems to have no such qualms about letting a dangerous nutter like Nicola Edgington run around free to sever the head of innocent passers by….

  3. — “The doctor said she was fulfilling the patient’s earlier euthanasia request and that since the patient was not competent, nothing the woman said during her euthanasia procedure was relevant.”

    I’m not a doctor, but the fact she had to be held down is probably a big clue though.

  4. The medical hack and a selection of the relatives need to be hanged. Each with the large label “A Mercy Killing” placed around their necks.

    That would encourage any more humane murderers very nicely.

    Tom–did you manage to get revenge on the medico scum?

  5. Mr Ecks
    No it’s hard to do anything once they have got a diagnosis of mental illness – even a fake one they simply made up. They will treat anything you do as confirming their ‘diagnosis’.

  6. This is why I am completely opposed to euthanasia. Don’t fall for the bollocks about all the “checks and balances”, etc. Abuse of it will become banal and commonplace, and everyone will pretend it isn’t happening.

    Look at the many scandals we have had over the past few decades, and think would the NHS, media and government behave any differently. The answer is of course not.

    The individual stories of suffering you see in the media, however harrowing, cannot be allowed to be used as a wedge to force this into law.

  7. “Why are they not in the dock too?”

    Perhaps they didn’t know what the injection was for. “Please hold Margreet while I administer this B12”. Somebody has reported this doctor.

  8. “I’m not a doctor, but the fact she had to be held down is probably a big clue though.”

    IIRC, we went into this precise case in detail the last time euthanasia was discussed here.

    The woman in question had spent 12 years watching her mother slowly die of dementia, suffering all the while. She didn’t want the same thing to happen to her, told her family so repeatedly and consistently, and even wrote it down in an informal ‘living will’. Unfortunately she didn’t go through the official process for doing so, or get a lawyer to check her words, so it was somewhat ambiguously phrased.

    Then she got dementia, got put in a care home, and alternated between periods of extreme distress, angry and tearful at what was happening to her, saying she wanted to die on some days but not on others, and periods of confusion wandering around the care home at night lost and looking for her husband, when she didn’t know what was happening.

    Eventually the doctor agreed that euthanasia is what she would have wanted when she was competent to make the decision, was what she had asked for in writing and never rescinded, that she was in precisely the sort of distress and suffering she had feared, and that it would be cruel to put her through another 10+ years of it just because she hadn’t filled the effin’ forms in correctly.

    When they started the procedure the sedative didn’t work, and she became confused and started to struggle. I understand the enquiry argued that a better response would have been to stop, and wait to see if she reverted to wanting to die next time she became lucid and if so to try again. However, they didn’t do that, as they figured it was just the dementia kicking in and all the arguments about it being the right thing to do still applied. I can see their point, too.

    The lesson to be learned from all this is that if you’re going to make a living will, do it properly.

    I gather there have been about 5,500 cases of euthanasia since the Dutch law was brought in, and when Tim wants to complain about the high probability of murders that results, he has to pick the *same* case he did last time. I think that says something about how common they are.

  9. See how keen you are when your turn comes Nulli.

    I’ll be on rooting for you to be allowed to be put out of your pain.

    Hell I’m there already.

  10. The woman when she wrote her will seemed right on the money. I’d want that, too. I’d want to be best advised of all the pain-killers and pleasure-bringers that money could buy in the last weeks of life.

  11. “I’ll be on rooting for you to be allowed to be put out of your pain.”

    Good. Thank you.

    “I’m game for helping to hold NiV down, Mr Ecks.”

    Isn’t it funny how people’s principles switch around depending on whether they perceive the victim to be ‘on their side’ or not?

  12. ‘Murdering someone is “overstepping the line” these days…’

    Taking a Human life is only murder if it is against the Law.

    It is against the Law if it oversteps the line stipulated in the Law..

    That is why we have the Law, to establish what those lines are, so that we have the rule of law, and something is a crime as determined by the Law and not because any Tim, Dick or Harry thinks it should be.

    Not everything possible is probable and not everything probable happens. A free society means we accept that rather than not allowing anything that ‘possibly’ could have an undesirable outcome, which would mean we would not be allowed to do anything without permission from higher authority.

  13. Bloke in Germany in Poland

    Someone who might have broken the law is being prosecuted so a court can determine whether they broke the law.

    In what way is this different from what would happen under Worstallocracy?

  14. “I can’t help wondering about the family’s motivations. Surely that’s most interesting part of this disturbing story?”

    Feelings of guilt and regret for not having respected their mother’s clearly expressed wishes earlier, putting her in a home when she’d asked not to be, and then having to listen to her crying her misery and expressing anger at her family for imposing on her exactly the decade-long living-nightmare torment she had always feared? Watching your mother tortured until she dies can do that.

    But the newspapers don’t say, so I guess everyone is free to insert their own interpretation.

  15. Nulli Verba –like another overweening and dangerous mental case, Alexander the Crystal Seer–is the Man who KNOWS. He knows, sees and tells all and brooks no contradiction.

    You know the family Nulli? Or is your stuff just more medja managed mind-mug on par with all the claims you dismiss as unscientific? When they don’t go your way of course. As somebody said isn’t it funny how people’s principles switch around depending on whether they perceive the victim to be ‘on their side’ or not?

    You can doubtless prove all the dementia stuff is true and not made up by some leftist agitator (journalists I believe they call them these days) to justify the murder of an oldster inconvenient to her supposed kin?

  16. Mr Ecks,

    Having problems with your English comprehension, again?

    1. The question mark at the end of the first sentence indicates to native English readers that this is a speculation or hypothetical suggestion. As I say, feel free to ‘insert your own’.

    2. I explicitly said that the newspapers give no information on the subject. So all your insinuations and accusations that this is cold-hearted, cold-blooded murder are *equally* without foundation or evidence. But of course, requirements for evidence/proof only apply to me, and not you, don’t they? (That last is a rhetorical question and a use of sarcasm, by the way. Do feel free to look them up if you’re still struggling. 🙂 )

  17. If you write a living will and subsequently drift in and out of consciousness/sanity, I think it is difficult to reach the conclusion that most commentators here seem to be drawing. In her condition, I think I would like to be put down. First, so as to stop annoying and inconveniencing everyone. Secondly, because it would piss off the faux-libs here.

  18. The UK tends to go too far the other way, but the patient does have a solution. I was informed of an example: when the NHS bureaucrat refused a request from a patient with mental capacity suffering from an incurable and painful illness, he starved himself to death.
    The nurses and other carers found this very distressing but there were unable to make things easier without being deemed criminals and so unable to help other patients.

  19. you are all fighting against the tide.
    Nobody likes really old people – they cost the government lots of money, the young want their houses, they ‘clog’ up beds in hospitals and the police don’t like the way they drive.
    You can se what’s coming.

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