Sigh

The ‘battle of the sexes’ has pitched men against women for thousands of years, usually with the connotation that women provide the brains and men the brawn.

Sensational contests include Billie Jean King defeating Bobby Riggs in three sets, Donald Trump defeating Hillary Clinton in one election and Girls Aloud beating One True voice with ‘sound of the underground’ to clinch the top spot in the Christmas chart of 2002.

But a new study suggests that the notion that females aren’t physically as capable is outdated, and that with the right training, women are in fact just as tough as men.

After testing a group of six British female soldiers who trekked across Antarctica, researchers found that they showed no more negative health effects than would be expected in men.

Physicality is expressed along different axes.

We’ve long known that men are stronger, faster – sprints – and so on. And that women’s stamina can be as good as. It’s long been mooted that women might in fact beat men at ultra-marathon distances.

It’s the spin here that’s new not the finding.

40 thoughts on “Sigh”

  1. “Sensational contests include Billie Jean King defeating Bobby Riggs in three sets…”

    1973. 29 year old Billie Jean King, then ranked no. 1 woman in the world, beats 55 year old Bobby Riggs who had retired from professional tennis 22 years earlier.

    1998 Kirsten Braash (who he?) then ranked 203 in the world beat Serena Williams 6-1, then Venus Williams 6-2 in back to back matches in Melbourne. Braash had apparently warmed up by playing a round of golf and drinking a couple of shandies.

    “Girls Aloud”. Seriously?

  2. usually with the connotation that women provide the brains and men the brawn.

    Really? That explains their dominance of the Sciences and Engineering then.

  3. Other than the past couple of decades when has it ever been implied that women provide the brains?

    Hasn’t it always historically been men provide brains and brawn and women nurturing and home keeping?

  4. ‘But a new study suggests that the notion that females aren’t physically as capable is outdated, and that with the right training, women are in fact just as tough as men.’

    Then why are construction companies forced to hire women? Hundreds of years of experience in the marketplace shows the above to be false. Stupid false, with hundreds of years of empirical data.

    So, here we have the Leftards telling “The Big Lie.” They will repeat it til most believe it’s true. H/T Adolf Hitler

    ‘Proved in Antarctica: women are just as physically tough as men’

    Wut? A world class Hasty Generalization Fallacy. Where are the editors? Oh, they are onboard with the propaganda.

    So, men should now tell women, “Pick up your own damn bags.”

  5. BWTM. Women know, by their own observation, that they are weaker than men. So here comes the “on your side” press telling them they are not.

    This helps women how?

  6. “with the right training, women are in fact just as tough as men”

    And there’s the get-out.

    If women are shown not to be as tough, it’s the fault of the training…..

  7. My God, how the Telegraph has fallen. When Timmy puts extracts from papers on here, I have a little guess at which paper they were from – and when I hover over the link I am spookily accurate. However, this time, when I read this particular one, I thought “definitely, DEFINITELY Grauniad”. But nope – it’s the Telegraph. Sheesh

  8. Women have more fat which would help them in the Artic. Women have stronger inner thight muscles which is why the BJJ fighting style works better for them in grappling with wannabe rapists. If they are skilful and get a leg choke on even a big blokes neck it would generally be curtains for him.

    Of course if the rapist decides to stop ground grappling and start striking/punching that will generally put paid to all but a freakish few females.

  9. ‘The findings come on the back of Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson announcing last month that all roles in the British Army, Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, including frontline infantry units and the SAS, are now open to female recruits.’

    Cos defense of the nation is secondary.

    Pic captioned ‘Six women completed the 1,000-mile journey in extreme conditions,’ who took the picture, as all six are active in it?

  10. Nothing wrong with having women in combat situations, esp in areas where they can gather intel from local women who culturally cannot or will not speak to men. Which is where we currently fight, mostly. No harm either in letting them try to join the SF but there is not a single woman in the world who would succeed, no matter what training they had. (Ok it is a bit of a waste of the directing staff’s time, but the first few days on Pen y Fan is where they would get weeded out so it doesn’t make much odds.) They might if they could be pumped full of anabolic steroids. In regular infanteering, where it breaks down is in load carrying. Standard kit for a tom in Afghanistan on a decent patrol could be 40kg+. Too heavy for most blokes, even most soldiers, really, if you want mobility, and there’s a very good argument that you’re better off not wearing body armour for that very reason. Women just cannot carry that kind of kit, never mind additonally being required to eg fetch 200 rounds and a GPMG or a box of mortar rounds etc.
    Women make excellent helicopter pilots, though.

  11. 1973. 29 year old Billie Jean King, then ranked no. 1 woman in the world, beats 55 year old Bobby Riggs who had retired from professional tennis 22 years earlier.

    I’m still laughing at this, several hours after first reading it. Funny how they didn’t provide a link to it in the article!

  12. If women are shown not to be as tough, it’s the fault of the training…..

    This is the excuse they’ll use when they start watering down infantry training, SAS selection and the like, while denying that they’re doing it.

    Reality isn’t an acceptable excuse for the fact that Xena: Warrior Princess doesn’t exist. The brass will be forced to pretend sexism is the reason girls can’t carry 50 kg on their backs across miles of rugged terrain and then still have the energy to fight.

    Hopefully we only fight future wars against chivalrous chaps who refuse to hit girls.

    Conservative, what’s that?

  13. Fair play he also smashed Margaret Court, the world number 1, 6-2,6-1 but alas lack of space in the article meant it had to be removed.

  14. Bloke in North Dorset

    interested,

    Depends what you mean by Special Forces. Women were some of the best operators in 14 Int.

  15. “This is the excuse they’ll use when they start watering down infantry training, SAS selection and the like, while denying that they’re doing it.”

    It sounds zactly like ‘socialism just hasn’t been implemented by the right people!”

  16. ‘The findings help understand the strengths and vulnerabilities in each gender and then make sure we as an employer can give everybody the best opportunity in their role, independent of gender.’

    Findings? Were you surprised they survived? So each gender (sic) has strengths and vulnerabilities? HATE CRIME !!!

    And for God’s sake, it’s each SEX.

    “They truly demonstrate why the British Armed Forces are the best in the world, and show that with hard work, courage, and determination anything is possible.”

    Wut? Do they expect the next war to be in Antarctica? Walking across Antarctica relates to military preparedness how? Maneuvers in Dover might be more relevant.

    ‘A spokesperson from the Ministry of Defence added: “Women have already given exemplary service in recent conflicts, working in a variety of highly specialised and vital roles.’

    Pat them on the head.

    “By opening all combat roles to women, we will continue to build on these successes and improve the operational capability of our military.”

    Improve ??? The contention is that ‘women are in fact just as tough as men.’ Not tougher.

    But it’s sleight of hand. The bell curves for male and female ‘toughness’ overlap. The CM scum look at the overlap and declare, “SEE! SEE! WOMEN ARE JUST LIKE MEN!”

  17. Surely the answer’s obvious. Half the military should self identify as women. Draw lots, or something. So, henceforth, it’ll be the Royal Greenjackets, Matching Skirts & Accessories.

  18. @bis – i was wondering how many of these “women” were the new women (ie with penises) our regular nutcase is always banging on about.

  19. The survey compared six specially chosen women against average men. So like Bobby-Jean King against Bobby Riggs. That doesn’t tell us much about average women against average men.
    Anecdata: the last-but-one time I did an ultra-distance race I was beaten by an old woman (nearly as old as me) – in fact she always beats me but then she is the best woman in the *world* in the age group covering both of us whereas I am the third-best in my *county*: the younger women were even slower than I. The extreme woman, such as Paula Radcliffe or Tamara Press is no more representative than Pele, Virat Kohli, Mo Farah, Pheidipides or Usain Bolt

  20. Check out the video of the 2 cops in South London getting a kicking from 3 youths and tell me women can fight.

    There’s outrage all over the internet about *her* getting hurt and I’m like WTF? She totally failed at her job. And we pay these people to protect the innocent and keep order.

    Cops on twitter were like “the public didn’t help, but filmed instead”. Sorry, but 2 cops should be able to handle 3 people. And, are they going to pop in and write some documentation for me?

    Note: in the free market, where people want things to be done properly, door staff are men.

  21. According to Riggs’ son, having thrashed Margaret Court, Riggs Snr was a massive favourite in the betting for the King match.
    He then lost to King and his extensive gambling debts suddenly disappeared.
    Funny, that.

  22. the video of the 2 cops in South London getting a kicking

    Lol.

    Cops on twitter were like “the public didn’t help, but filmed instead”

    It’s amazing how little self-awareness coppers have, even given their 100 IQ midwittery.

  23. Royal Greenjackets, Matching Skirts & Accessories

    Just don’t turn up at the same party in the same outfit as the Royal Regiment of Scotland or you’ll get kilt.

  24. “But a new study suggests that the notion that females aren’t physically as capable is outdated, and that with the right training, women are in fact just as tough as men.”

    The right training and the right women, sure. This is just a strawman – no one’s saying there aren’t women who aren’t as strong and durable as the average soldier.

    They’re just saying that there are sooooo many more men who meet that standard that there’s no particular need to find those women to fill in non-existent gaps in recruitment.

  25. @ Agammamon
    What they are saying is that because we have found six women whose performance matches that of the average man, we should pay all women *at least* as much as all men

  26. @steve – from the state of our local constabulary i’d say that if the attackers were trying to steal their donuts the police would have fought like lions.

    iq of 100 – we can only dream.

  27. Interested: Heinlein put his military background experience in to the back plot of Starship Troopers and came to the same results: In the Earth Federation Military entry was open to all, but through aptitude and training the males tended to dominate in the grunt ground work and the females in the technical and logistics, in the book their equivalent of helicopter pilots and mechanical maintenance.

  28. the public didn’t help, but filmed instead”. Sorry, but 2 cops should be able to handle 3 people.

    Watched that and read the article.
    Was amused by this statement.

    “We don’t come to work to get assaulted, and if we’re not going to be backed up in what we’re doing then what is the point?”

    Don’t come to work to get assaulted? That’s the police’s job. To stop the violent and dangerous. If they can’t or won’t, change the gun laws and let us defend ourselves.

    Want backing up? Don’t prosecute people who cause injury or death defending themselves or property. A lot of people won’t step in for fear of prosecution for assault and hate crimes. And they’ve spent the last however many years saying not to step in and be a have a go hero, leave it to them. Well those chickens are coming home to roost.
    And not going nuts about speeding slightly would do a lot to help with the relationship between public and police.

  29. Chernny,

    It’s sad how far the police have fallen. Cops from the 80s would be embarrassed at that display.

    There were far, far less police at football matches than thugs back then. Because criminals don’t really think as a unit unless they’re significantly at an advantage. They think some of their friends will run and the cops will get them. It’s only when you have significant advantage that the police lose.

    You replace a cop with a woman or a twink sociology graduate, people will have a go. So I’m sure insisting all have degrees will work out just fine.

  30. @BiND – yep, I’ve had the pleasure of meeting a few of them. But I don’t call that SF – it’s support elements. SF have to be able to operate 250km behind enemy lines, self-sufficiently, from vehicles or in extremis on foot, for extended periods during which they may be called upon to exhibit the very finest infantry/CQB skills, up to and including (if very much not ideally) closing with and killing enemy forces by hand. The Det wouldn’t last very long in the Hindu Kush – not that they weren’t very brave and skilled operators. Even in NI they were basically supplemental.

  31. “We don’t come to work to get assaulted, and if we’re not going to be backed up in what we’re doing then what is the point?”

    You are right, Chernyy_Drakon. The cops pushed the public out of the way, then demand to know, “Why didn’t you help us?”

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