Bad news for Theresa May’s Brussels trip as EU leaders will give her only 10 minutes of their time
Taking it all very seriously they are.
Bad news for Theresa May’s Brussels trip as EU leaders will give her only 10 minutes of their time
Taking it all very seriously they are.
Well, to be fair, how long does it take to say “no” so why waste good drinking time?
WTF were the remainiac Tory dickheads on when the voted yesterday?
Her wages– since it seems 142 out of 200 are on the payroll. Which means her backbenchers are 2 to 1 against her.
Deal won’t fly. Also bad news for remainiac shite is that the ESpew Grandees really believe their own cockrot. That a WTO Rules exit will be the end of the world for the UK.
Why shouldn’t they have a laugh at her –and they think –our expense?
Because you stupid cunts adding insult to injury is a time-honoured method by which the toxic combo of wickedness and overbearing arrogance draws out patriots to fight said wickedness. The EU ‘s yucks are going to cost them dear.
Does anyone –other than remainiac dickheads– still think that there are 16 million votes left in remain now?
The Tories really love their humiliation porn. Do we think she can convince Merkel to spit in her face and call her a naughty pony?
so 39bn buys us contempt. go for no deal and they can hold us in contempt for free (apologies to d trump)
Am I right in thinking that the confidence vote was quite a masterstroke by the true Brexit supporting Tory MPs? Now everyone knows exactly how many of her own party are against the WA, even though the vote was postponed, 117 at least, plus there will be others in the 200 who might support her in a confidence vote but wouldn’t support the WA.
So now although she’s ‘safe’ for a year, the numbers are out there, and no one can pretend a Tory government can pass the WA on its own – it would need opposition support to pass. So she can go to Europe and say here’s the numbers, see I can’t get this thing through, what are you going to do?
Now of course she will fuck that up too undoubtedly, but the backbenchers have given her a lever against the EU (ie tell them its either a better WA or No Deal), if she were minded to use it…..
She is a mental case Jim. We HAVE to be betrayed HER WAY or nothing. As I said in an earlier post repeating her mantras is–IMO–how she keeps the knowledge that she is a traitor and a liar and thus a POS and not a good person at all– out of her consciousness.
We negotiated an agreement.
What the heck is she going there for? The agreement has been agreed by her representatives, agreed by the EU. There is nothing to discuss.
I am beginning to think that, in an ideal world, the best solution would be this:
1. Withdraw the Art 50 notice. The ECJ has said we can, so that’s OK. (Hold on – there’s more to come!)
2. Appoint some people with actual brains to work out proper plans for a real, serious Brexit. This can be based on what we now know are the tricky bits. Make contact with business and make sure it provides input based on real life. Do not forget that all of the potential problems are caused by government, and therefore can be solved by less, and better government.
3. Once a full set of plans are ready, give a new Article 50 notice. We can – there’s a 2016 referendum result to say we should.
4. Publish the plans and let people have the full two years to prepare themselves for an actual, fully thought-through “hard” Brexit.
5. Should the EU wish to request any favours during this period (such as payment of 39 billion or whatever), they can do so, and expect the request to be given the same careful consideration as they have given to the UK’s requests so far, i.e. none.
6. Errr…
7. …that’s it!
(Anybody think this will happen? If so I have some bijou bridge real estate in central New York available at a knock-down price.)
AGN–No. Most of the “difficulties” don’t exist outside remainiac lies and imagination.
We go WTO Rules March 2019.
“Appoint some people with actual brains to work out proper plans for a real, serious Brexit. ”
Farage and gang have failed to do this in >20 years. Boris in 3-ish.
What makes you think anyone else will be (a) capable of it, (b) actually do it?
Also the ECJ has added a further test with its interpretation of the right to revoke an A50 notice – that the revocation must be unconditional and unequivocal. It’s hardly unequivocal if you just want to delay and fully intend at some future time to give notice again. At the very least lots of lawyers will make a lot of money arguing the point again.
She just looks like a scheming, power grubbing politician to me, Mr Ecks; desperate to cling on to the top spot whatever it takes, abject personal humiliation and national disaster included. If the Brexiteers somehow got the upper hand, she’d adopt their plan – even if it was just to get through the next five minutes. And then she’d shamelessly shit on it, just to get through the following five minutes. She’ll say anything, do anything – so long as the things work for her.
>1. Withdraw the Art 50 notice. The ECJ has said we can, so that’s OK.
No, they haven’t said we can do that in the manner you suggest. They’ve said we can revoke it if we seriously wish to remain permantly. We can’t revoke it temporarily while we work out how to leave. As BiG said.
However, BiG, leavers have presented fully detailed, worked-out plans for leaving, and May and the Remainers pretend these don’t exist.
So this ten minutes, then. Does she have to stand outside with the door of the gents ajar while Junker takes a slash?
Just make sure you get that gun Biggie–what with that hatchet-faced little “Mini-Me” four-eyed, repressed-looking slag that the Fat Cow Merkel produced to carry on the dirty work you are likely to need it.
Someone commentating on May’s career said she’d always been one to elbow her way to the front to take credit, even when she personally hadn’t accrued any. But never to be found when there was blame to be laid.
That she could succeed in this when this is the default behaviour in the environment she’s operating in says much about her. She’s a politician’s politician. That’s her sole talent. For talents in other directions she’s always relied on others.
So she’ll be looking around for someone to take the fall for this. Watch this space.
It’s gone beyond that BiS. Who could she possibly put in the frame she has created for herself? Her only “allies” are 200 treacherous remainiac turds who still hate her. We know that dross like Javid –now calling to “get on” with Brexit (Betrayal that is) has said privately that her deal is “shit” and is angling for the leadership–God forbid.
She is –despite appearances–more alone than Chuck Norris in the finale of “Code of Silence”.
And she is no Chuck Norris.
BiS – yes but you do want someone who can do that as a home office minister; keep their nose clean, not drop clangers. Getting credit for stuff, deserved or no, is the hallmark of any ambitious lad or ladette. The point is the Leader needs different qualities, a little bit further along on the judicious risk taking scale, and the ability to carry the more cautious (which of course includes the Civ service) along.
They just don’t like beggars in Brussels, especially serial beggars.
Can anyone explain to me how this useless bag of offal ended up as PM?
@AGN
“Make contact with business and make sure it provides input based on real life. ”
it’s fine, we’ve had 2.5 years to analyse wto exit adapt and prepare accordingly. Lets just go.
the government has done more work than it admits (and it is insane that they keep that work private in order to big up no-deal as not an option).
the private sector has just assumed no-deal and made the fixes necessary. Remember 50% of our trade is non-EU so it is possible, and 2.5 years is plenty of time to incorporate some EU legal entities, move a body or two, and get your shipping firm ready to file the wto paperwork rather than the EU paperwork.
Mr Ecks,
At the end of “Code of Silence”, the cops rallied around Chuck Norris (just too late for the firefight, of course) when the rookie revealed his drunken partner really had shot an innocent civilian, and planted a gun on him; and Eddie Cusack (Chuck’s character) had been doing the right thing all along, and Cragie had killed a civilian, lied and perjured himself. (The reality, of course, that Chicago cops would just shrug and keep the ranks closed, being too depressing for a 1985 actioner). Can’t see any equivalent that would get a last-reel redemptive rally behind May.
Also, Norris was going in alone (apart from a wheeled version of ED-209) to punish Henry Silva and his evil clan of Colombians, avenge his murdered friend, and rescue Molly Hagen; hard to see what noble cause, other than “cling to office for a while longer”, that May is fighting alone for.
Ecks: She is […] “Code of Silence”.
Given it’s the FFC, maybe “Cod of Silence” ?
BiG: Also the ECJ has added a further test with its interpretation of the right to revoke an A50 notice – that the revocation must be unconditional and unequivocal.
That’s so ECJ – the provisions of §50 which used to be the prerogative of a member state have now been accrued to the ECJ. Europe’s top court is a political court ruling in favour of the EU in all things and staffed by unelected judges.
The good news, though, is that it has just ruled in favour of the ECB and against Germany in the matter of continuing QE which kicks the can down the road to ensure that when the Euro goes phut it will do so later but more bigly.
The ECJ condition is that these operations can henceforth only take place in the secondary market and it is of course inconceivable that a Eurogroup member might possibly issue fresh debt into the domestic banking sector and see that traded on (hey presto) to the ECB in secondary dealing.
Ursine fæcal sylvan proclivities.
Can anyone explain to me how this useless bag of offal ended up as PM?
Because all the alternatives were bigger, even more useless bags of offal? There are no conviction politicians left (apart from Jezza, arguably) – the rest are just in it for whatever they can get out of it.
Oh, I’d say that particular talent’s essential to get on in politics, HB. Trouble with May is, it’s the only one she has. It’s worked for her very well so far. A record for competence because she’s rarely accumulated any marks against her. It’s why she’s ended up as PM. A “safe pair of hands” to unite a disunited party.
Now we’ve found the truth. There’s absolutely nothing there. She’s been lead by the nose by the civil servants & her coterie of Remainers to a deal she’s been told she can sell to the country and, most importantly, the Brexiteers in her own party. Her expectation was to have been receiving the applause. Now she hasn’t a clue.
It’ll be fascinating who or what she tries to park the blame on. She certainly won’t be owning up to it.
Mr Lynch.
Having such detailed & extensive knowledge of a Chuck Norris film plot is deeply, deeply sad. One could wish that life had treated you better.
bloke in spain,
It’s less that “Code of Silence” is a Chuck Norris film, but more that it’s an Andrew Davis film, who went on to direct Steven Seagal in… this isn’t helping, is it?
Chris Miller
“There are no conviction politicians left (apart from Jezza, arguably)”
I would add JRM.
He’s clearly not in it for the dosh. And he seems to have a genuine belief – and which he knows will help his poliitcal career not one jot – in small government and free markets, and which he believes will make us richer as a country.
I would vote for him in a shot.
And I would vote for Boris too. Not because of his beliefs, but because he’s a seriously lazy fucker, purely in it for the glory, and hence the first thing (I would hope) he would do is appoint clever people like JRM into key roles, like Chancellor etc..
“Can anyone explain to me how this useless bag of offal ended up as PM?”
Because Britain didn’t vote in Nigel as PM.
Jason Lynch: I might suggest looking up “metaphorical” in the dictionary.
That said tho’ I wish Bruce Lee had kicked the shit out of her in the Colosseum.
May is the worst PM we’ve had in recent times. Considering that includes Blair, Brown and Cameron as contenders for the title, that is quite an, erm, achievement….
I would hope that the contingency planning for a no Deal Brexit had been going on quietly in the background.
If it hasn’t, wouldn’t that be dereliction of duty? If not outright illegal leading to jail time, it should result in some increased hempen rope sales and diversification of lamp post utilisation methodology.
The government and civil service have a duty to plan for civil problems that are beyond the scope of the individual – it’s what they’re for. If they’re not doing it, then wtf are we having a government for?
Many private companies have already done their work. As for the fucking useless British State–who cares. They are fuck useless at the best of times. Swing the axe and let the chips fall where gravity dictates.
Biggie says Also the ECJ has added a further test with its interpretation of the right to revoke an A50 notice – that the revocation must be unconditional and unequivocal
Yes indeed.
I dunno if this means we can’t extend the Art 50 deadline though. My understanding of that is it’s a political decision between the UK and EU?
An extension would be bad news, of course, probably the worst thing the government could do at this point (which means they’ll try).
As for revocation, the ECJ is quite right. Logically, it’s not really revocation if it is dependent on further demands on the EU or takes the form of some sort of partial withdrawal of our notice to quit.
Probably not their intention, but I think they’ve helped clarify that this is a binary choice.
Not too many years ago, Willie Hague (before his Lawrence of No Labia adventures in Somalia, back when he was still sporting baseball caps and boasting about his drinking prowess) framed the Conservative position as “we want to be in Europe, but not run by Europe!”
It was pish then, and it’s stale pish now. The EU have repeatedly explained to us that being in “Europe” means accepting all of their rules and regulations and directives, as well as their treaty-bound commitment to ever-closer union. Only British politicians have ever pretended that some sort of semi-detached status is possible or desirable.
I dunno what they teach in Oxford PPE courses, but it doesn’t seem to include ontology or epistemology. They seem to specialise in producing glib hack fraud politicians though.
Oxbridge: do we need it?
Re No Deal preparations: Guido reports that Dutch Customs want to talk to HMRC about trading on WTO terms, but HMRC has orders from above not to talk about it.
Maybe this doesn’t constitute the Bristish government preparing to blockade the United Kingdom, in order to punish the British electorate for voting the wrong way.
But I wish someone could explain the difference.
“I would add JRM.”
Help us in the Colonies: who is JRM?
Gamecock – Jacob Rees-Mogg
@Mr Ecks, December 13, 2018 at 10:05 am
A cull of Cabinet & Minister numbers is long overdue, 50% gone as a start. MPs beholden to PM for their wage makes a mockery of representative democracy.
Brexiteers and DUP Publish Alternative Backstop Proposal
News:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7959113/brexit-deal-latest-david-davis-dominic-raab-alternative/
The Paper – pdf from brexitcentral
http://2mbg6fgb1kl380gtk22pbxgw-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/BetterDeal.pdf
Any thoughts?
@Mr Ecks, December 13, 2018 at 11:17 am
May My way or Brexit cancelled
May I’m off to Brussels you suckers
The Dawn of a New Movement MEPs Bill Etheridge & Steven Woolfe
imo they should have been sitting – size too different.
Thx, Steve.
The BBC has a list of possible alternative PMs including the clown but not including spreadsheet Phil who is the most competent minister in the government (It does include Sajid who is also honest and competent but is probably even less of an electoral asset than Phil and his honesty probably tipped the balance towards “Leave” when he supported “Remain”).
None of you have proposed a decent alternative to Mrs May
Jonathan – she was voted leader of her party that was already in government. And since then she has had a general election that she still won.
Now she’s had a leadership challenge vote and won.
That’s why she is PM.
Other parties may do things differently regarding choosing their leaders.
Pcar – which MPs are beholden to someone else in parliament for their wages? Notify the media about this major problem.
AMartin: “Pcar – which MPs are beholden to someone else in parliament for their wages? Notify the media about this major problem.”
Ministers gain their jobs, and ministerial salaries, at the Prime Minister’s pleasure, and can lose them if she so decides.
So she goes and tells the EU leaders that ‘our’ deal can be saved, I can deliver it just give me some reassurances (non-bonding of course) and their response is that they wil discuss it over dinner once she’s left the room.
Tells you all you need to know about the EU and their view of ‘our’.
She must be crazy f she thinks decribing the deal publically in that manner will do anything more than harden resolve to reject it and this on a day when the Belgians said no deal could cost them thousands of jobs, this isn’t negotiating its grovelling like lackey
Lets hope the EU over reaches itself – with TM grovelling in front of them, lets hope they can’t resist the temptation to stick the boot and and send her home empty handed. Thats the best thing they could do for us.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/14/eu-humiliates-pm-may-bloc-leaders-vow-there-will-be-no-renegotiation-of-brexit-deal/
Surprise, surprise!
@john77
Hammond may have been competent in achieving his own objectives, but he’s one of the main reasons that no serious work has been done on dealing with the problems arising from a WTO ‘no deal’ Brexit, by blocking any funds for them. May could have stomped on him, of course, but chose not to.
Lidington is highly competent, but an electoral unknown (and a died-in-the-wool Remainer). Good guy, though.
@Martin
I actually do know how May got to be PM, I just can’t believe it though.
You could literally throw a dart out of the window and hit someone at random who’d make a better PM than her.
Better still–throw her out of the fucking window and you’d hit etc.