The previous referendum disenfranchised Scots living south of the border, yet gave a say to the English living abroad in Scotland — and those latter votes apparently swung the result against Joxit.
Jim
Scottish independence is a busted flush now. Pretty much as the last ballot box was being counted the oil price hit the skids and has never recovered, indeed spending plenty of time in the toilet over the last 4 and bit years. If the oil price had stayed over $100/barrel they could have made a go of it, at the current prices they’d be bust from day 1. It might be fun to watch all the money and talent streaming south from this side of the Tweed, but not much fun for the Scots of course. I would predict a similar request to the one that led to the Union of 1707 would have been soon winging its way south. Or maybe even further south to Brussels – the Scots could swap being part of the UK, for being a very small subsection of the EU with them holding the purse strings far tighter than Westminster ever did……………
PJH
Have they considered giving the English, Irish and Welsh (who would also be affected) a vote this time round?
Might even help them win it, especially if they promise to give up non-Scottish™ things that they wanted to keep last time, like Stirling, and Barnett.
BraveFart
PJH
I think the residents of Stirling might be annoyed at your suggestion that it is not part of Scotland…
Mark T
As mentioned elsewhere, the fact that 330,000 Irish citizens living in the UK were eligible to vote in the referendum is astonishing. I don’t know how many did vote, but I can guess which way those that did, did. In the same way, Scots voting for England to stay in the EU (thus paying the Scots in two different ways) is very different from wanting to be in the EU all by their wee selves.
Itellyounothing
SNP should back an English referendum on Independence.
If the SNP want Scotland to vote for independence a necessary first step is to show competence at least governing Scotland.
rapscallion
If the SNP want to win the Referendum vote, just let the English vote on it. You’d be out in a jiffy.
Bloke in Preston
rapscallion:
It works very well on the English but not as well on the Scottish.
Bloke in Preston
See, I don’t think it means that. I think what the SNP mean is:
“We’ll come out looking significantly worse than last time.”
Us unionists will all then laugh.
James Macpherson
“Joxit” – a letter writing campaign to The National should get that term established (if not, there’s always Twitter . . . )
Hallowed Be
Its obviously going to come up every so often for the forseeable long term future so why not pass a fixed term scottish independance referenda bill. I dinnae know – every 10 years?
Yeah i’d put a generation at 20 years but think it needs to be less than that. A party is winning elections regularly whose raison/ d’etre is an independent Scottish state. They could at anytime (after a victory) declare UDI or force one or hold things up trying to get one. Just formalise it constitutionally and everyone knows where they stand.
Arthur Teacake, Edinburgh/Highlands
I suspect a lot of people vote SNP while not wanting independence. They went straight from No to SNP, maybe for lack of a palatable alternative.
I haven’t been discussing this kind of thing since Brexit though, I’m keeping my (English) head down.
Last four words superfluous.
The previous referendum disenfranchised Scots living south of the border, yet gave a say to the English living abroad in Scotland — and those latter votes apparently swung the result against Joxit.
Scottish independence is a busted flush now. Pretty much as the last ballot box was being counted the oil price hit the skids and has never recovered, indeed spending plenty of time in the toilet over the last 4 and bit years. If the oil price had stayed over $100/barrel they could have made a go of it, at the current prices they’d be bust from day 1. It might be fun to watch all the money and talent streaming south from this side of the Tweed, but not much fun for the Scots of course. I would predict a similar request to the one that led to the Union of 1707 would have been soon winging its way south. Or maybe even further south to Brussels – the Scots could swap being part of the UK, for being a very small subsection of the EU with them holding the purse strings far tighter than Westminster ever did……………
Have they considered giving the English, Irish and Welsh (who would also be affected) a vote this time round?
Might even help them win it, especially if they promise to give up non-Scottish™ things that they wanted to keep last time, like Stirling, and Barnett.
PJH
I think the residents of Stirling might be annoyed at your suggestion that it is not part of Scotland…
As mentioned elsewhere, the fact that 330,000 Irish citizens living in the UK were eligible to vote in the referendum is astonishing. I don’t know how many did vote, but I can guess which way those that did, did. In the same way, Scots voting for England to stay in the EU (thus paying the Scots in two different ways) is very different from wanting to be in the EU all by their wee selves.
SNP should back an English referendum on Independence.
Scotland would be free in no time…..
OT: I am very surprised by this news
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6615775/Billionaire-James-Stunts-gold-bullion-firm-facing-BANKRUPTCY-unpaid-rent-19-500.html
If the SNP want Scotland to vote for independence a necessary first step is to show competence at least governing Scotland.
If the SNP want to win the Referendum vote, just let the English vote on it. You’d be out in a jiffy.
rapscallion:
It works very well on the English but not as well on the Scottish.
See, I don’t think it means that. I think what the SNP mean is:
“We’ll come out looking significantly worse than last time.”
Us unionists will all then laugh.
“Joxit” – a letter writing campaign to The National should get that term established (if not, there’s always Twitter . . . )
Its obviously going to come up every so often for the forseeable long term future so why not pass a fixed term scottish independance referenda bill. I dinnae know – every 10 years?
How about once a generation?
Salmond: ‘Referendum is once in a generation opportunity’
The Scottish referendum vote was supposed to be “once in a generation”. But how long is that?
Alex Salmond accused of rewriting history after he denies ‘once in a lifetime’ referendum pledge
Yeah i’d put a generation at 20 years but think it needs to be less than that. A party is winning elections regularly whose raison/ d’etre is an independent Scottish state. They could at anytime (after a victory) declare UDI or force one or hold things up trying to get one. Just formalise it constitutionally and everyone knows where they stand.
I suspect a lot of people vote SNP while not wanting independence. They went straight from No to SNP, maybe for lack of a palatable alternative.
I haven’t been discussing this kind of thing since Brexit though, I’m keeping my (English) head down.