An argument in favour of BrexitJanuary 12, 2019 Tim WorstallEuropean Union32 CommentsAmber Rudd refuses to rule out resigning if government pursues no-deal Brexit previousBit of a bargain actuallynextSnigger 32 thoughts on “An argument in favour of Brexit” Mr Ecks January 12, 2019 at 10:57 am They can all fucking resign. If we don’t get what we were promised most of them will be out on their arses anyway. Street Sparrow January 12, 2019 at 11:12 am If Brexit doesn’t happen I will be torn about whether I ever vote in a general election again. On one hand my local MP is a very good constituency MP, even if he is a remainer, and we’ve got to keep Corbin out. On the other hand, if MPs actively decide to transfer their authority to a foreign power then why should I engage with them. Quislings. The Leave campaign should be actively promoting the benefits of bringing democracy closer to “the people”, which is what we voted for, instead of letting the narrative be hijacked by nebulous talk of immigration and economic benefits. My remoaner friends have been sharing a video of David Lamy talking about taking back democracy. The irony is lost on them. DocBud January 12, 2019 at 11:24 am Surely, Mr Ecks, if we don’t get what we were promised, the chief betrayers should be pushing up the daises. Mr Ecks January 12, 2019 at 11:28 am Everything is wrong about you St Sparrow. Tell your remainiac “friends” to fuck off and scrape them off. They are morons at best–more likely evil scum. Piss on your “good” remainiac MP. Get started on his scummy Association to get the cunt de-selected. If Brexit doesn’t happen you will be torn about voting. Boo fucking Hoo. Yeah that’s how we will beat the scummy state–being torn about continuing with a farce they have contempt for and use only to give a false gloss to their tyranny. Grow a pair and we will win. It looks increasingly that the Crash is coming at long last. The next decade or so may well be horrific. People will balls are needed –not the dishwater brigade. Mr Ecks January 12, 2019 at 11:31 am Ruin first Doc. But suffer and end in the gutter they must. Worse if they push it. Because those are their plans for us. Bloke on M4 January 12, 2019 at 11:46 am Good to see Nick Boles heading for deselection and throwing his toys or if the pram over it. And my guess is that if 99% of his chairman’s postbag is saying this, it’s the same for the likes of Morgan and Soubry. squawkbox January 12, 2019 at 12:34 pm It is a matter of great regret that once the British people voted for Brexit, the remainers haven’t been prosecuted for high treason. Gamecock January 12, 2019 at 4:16 pm “If Trump wins, I’m going to move to Canada.” – Various celebrities, who are still here. ‘refuses to rule out resigning’ Seems double negativeish. ‘she refused three times to say she would stay in the government’ So who kept asking? Hard to figure out why this is news, except that the Independent tells us it is news. John Galt January 12, 2019 at 5:03 pm The problem with “scraping off” your friends who voted remain is that given the 48/52 split across the country (more like 33/66 here in Perth), chances are we’ve all got friends who voted remain and while I don’t agree with them, I understand why they chose to go with the project Fear side. Put simply, they were worried about their own jobs and comforts and voted what they believe is the “status quo”. The fact that the EU was never about a status quo, but rather about a gradual move to a European Super State is completely lost on them. So the rule that we’ve applied is that BRExit is off topic, which has worked out quite well since everybody on both sides is getting tired of the whole BRExit farce and just wishes they would get on with it. Everyone knows I actively campaigned for BRExit, so they know my position. Given the calamitous failure of the BRExit negotiations (unsurprising with a remain PM and pro-EU civil service), I knew from early on that there would only be treason and treachery that way and since Article 50 notification was sent I’ve put my hopes in a failure to agree any deal. Sure, we can see some last minute treachery from the PM and or MP’s which will prevent our exit at the end of March, but that would require some form of plurality agreement of which there is no sign right now. So, after decades of hoping and praying for this eventuality, I’m still expecting us to leave the EU at the end of March. It has been a test of friendship, but it has also been a clear demonstration of the contempt with which the political class holds your average voter. Plebs unite! dearieme January 12, 2019 at 5:11 pm I have no idea what will happen. But one possibility is: (i) It becomes clear that the Commons will never allow a no-deal Brexit. (ii) Lots of people, including genuine Brexiteers, will conclude that May’s deal is so bloody awful that we’d therefore be wiser to remain, at least for the time being. (iii) One consequence will be a vast, resentful, permanent disenchantment with the state. The state, and its tit-suckers, will be seen as the Establishment’s playthings – so don’t vote, don’t co-operate, don’t volunteer, don’t donate, and take every opportunity to bugger them about. Perhaps a few rich men might be persuaded to fund opportunities for lawsuits aimed at hobbling the state. (iv) Another consequence will be the destruction of the Conservative party, and the advent of a Trotskyist government. John Davis January 12, 2019 at 5:26 pm Let’s face it, we’re not going to leave. Gina Miller’s poison pill made it almost certain the House would be deadlocked. Dominic Cummings spotted – I think over a year ago – that the government simply wasn’t preparing for Brexit at all. The “deal” isn’t really leaving in any meaningful sense, with the backstop keeping us tied to the EU indefinitely. And now the government has the ability to just call the whole thing off according to the ECJ. No. Fvcking. Chance . Pity. Theophrastus January 12, 2019 at 7:15 pm “It has been a test of friendship…” Exactly. Any remainiacs or leavers that end long and deep friendships over Brexit were never your friends. John Galt January 12, 2019 at 7:39 pm Any remainiacs or leavers that end long and deep friendships over Brexit were never your friends. I’m not sure about that. Then again I’m not an absolutist. My reasons for wanting out of the EU are many and varied. I doubt that even many ardent BRExitiers share my exact combination of reasons for wanting out of the EU, they have their own. BRExit was always divisive, even before we won the referendum. I remember running the “Leave EU” stand here in Perth and many married couples I spoke to would have one spouse pro-Remain and one spouse pro-EU (and before you ask there was no gender specific trend to this). So, I can understand both friendships and marriages having been strained over BRExit and if this comes to the point of causing a split it doesn’t necessarily mean it was fake to begin with, just that BRExit was the straw that broke the camels back. Agreeing to differ on BRExit is what adults do, like the old rule about excluding politics, sex and religion from after dinner conversation. Pcar January 12, 2019 at 8:21 pm BBC Dishonesty Over JLR Job Losses – Steven Woolfe MEP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOeAl4-ID4M https://twitter.com/Steven_Woolfe/status/1083363325600284672?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet Edward Lud January 12, 2019 at 8:44 pm JG, Bremain has been as divise as Brexit. Theophrastus January 12, 2019 at 9:04 pm “…it doesn’t necessarily mean it was fake to begin with, just that BRExit was the straw that broke the camels back.” Not fake, but certainly weak. If brexit was the straw that broke the camel’s back, the relationship was lacking firm foundations. Like marriages, friendships have to be worked at. John Galt January 12, 2019 at 9:14 pm JG, Bremain has been as divise as Brexit. They are two sides of the same coin though, the coin that David Cameron tossed when he assumed he could use the promise of a referendum to nudge a Tory win in the 2015 General Election. The useless prick had no understanding of the forces that he would unleash…and here we are… Bloke in North Dorset January 12, 2019 at 9:18 pm A scary point was made on the Speccie Coffee House Shots podcast the other day. There’s quite a few Tory MPs stepping down at the next GE, whenever it occurs, and they have no incentive to vote against a No Confidence motion or, worse, revoking A50. I used to be a fan of Burke’s speech claiming that he isn’t a delegate etc, but I’m starting to change my mind. Not just because of Brexit but when he made his speech the government spent what, 10%, 15%, of GDP? At the time MPs also had little impact on day to day life and concerned themselves with major matters of State, such as defence and foreign affairs, which didn’t impact most people. Furthermore, most of the electorate was illiterate and even those that weren’t didn’t have the time or tools to be able to understand what was going on. Under these conditions it was reasonable for MPs to be representatives and not delegates and for direct democracy to be something to be avoided. Now that the electorate is literate* and has both the time and tools to understand complex issues we should take a closer look at how our democracy works. Nobody says the Swiss are too stupid to understand complex issue and direct democracy works there. As I’ve said elsewhere (or maybe here?), we don’t have a nanny State we have a condescending State and its time for serious change. * Yes, I know, the State is failing most but they’re still more literate than Burke’s time. Pcar January 12, 2019 at 9:35 pm Please can we have our democracy back? Delingpole: Insider on Theresa May’s Brexit Deal – ‘It’s a Trap’ Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit “deal” is a deviously engineered, triple-lock trap which will leave Britain stuck for all eternity in the European Union, an anonymous civil servant has confirmed. The civil servant, writing at Brexit Central, describes May’s Withdrawal Agreement as an “Orwellian misnomer”. Far from helping Britain to leave the EU it keeps it perpetually bound in chains… Pcar January 12, 2019 at 9:52 pm Making EU an even more Franco-German state – msm ignoring: http://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/unterzeichnung-des-vertrages-zwischen-der-bundesrepublik-deutschland-und-der-franzoesischen-republik-ueber-zusammenarbeit-und-integration-1566388 Pcar January 12, 2019 at 9:54 pm Oops France, Germany approve extension of reconciliation treaty to shore up EU Chris Miller January 12, 2019 at 10:55 pm They are two sides of the same coin though, the coin that David Cameron tossed when he assumed he could use the promise of a referendum to nudge a Tory win in the 2015 General Election. The useless prick had no understanding of the forces that he would unleash…and here we are… I’m no particular fan of CallmeDave, but I don’t go along with the line (often pushed by Remainers) that his calling a referendum was a cynical gimmick to hold the Tories together. Let’s not forget that UKIP was the largest party in the 2014 European Parliament elections with over a quarter of the vote. There were a lot of people who were clearly demanding a referendum and calling one was seen as a way of shooting that fox (which would have worked, had it gone the way most people expected). And he wasn’t the first (still less, unique) to call for a referendum: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aj1KAR_HSQjthskSk6CKq9d8k508SQ Bloke in North Dorset January 12, 2019 at 11:18 pm Nice one Chris Pcar January 12, 2019 at 11:48 pm @Bloke in North Dorset January 12, 2019 at 9:18 pm A scary [Burkean] point was made on the Speccie Coffee House Shots podcast 1. https://www.podbean.com/podcast-detail/ymxzx-5db3d/The-Spectator-Podcast 2. https://audioboom.com/channel/the-spectator-podcast Which podcast? dearieme January 13, 2019 at 1:51 am What we want is to start some sort of civil disobedience that the govt will find hard to stop. I suggest that anyone who’s pissed off shouldn’t renew his TV licence, and indeed should cancel his Direct Debit. They can’t jail all of us. What else could we refuse to pay? What else refuse to do? How good an excuse do you need to avoid jury service? How about boycotting royal visits? Or attending them and booing? What if everyone submitted their tax return at the last minute? I’m not going to suggest pissing on police cars. But we could picket various arms of government couldn’t we? What else? Mr Ecks January 13, 2019 at 2:44 am remain had their chance on the day. They lost. So if they accept the result forgive and forget. If they are still remainiac and want to and are trying to reverse the result–even to the extent of just twiting/texting shit– they are scum and you should plan to be shot of them. You don’t need stooges and willing servants of evil and tyranny as friends. Mr Ecks January 13, 2019 at 2:49 am Dearieme–non-payment of Council Tax/ boycott of remain’s chums–Jug Ears crisps for example/spray can cop cars+spike tyres. Its late night now–more will follow. Bloke in North Dorset January 13, 2019 at 8:35 am Pcar, Thursday’s Coffee House Shots from 7:30. Bloke in North Dorset January 13, 2019 at 8:46 am dearieme, A protest has to be visible and not fall in to the Washington Monument trap. Refusing to pay council tax, for example, isn’t visible so difficult for MSM to pick up, and if they do councils can start closing day care centres for the old and those with disabilities. When Blair was threatening ID cards I advocated not getting one and then everyone turning up at police stations at the same time. The question would have been visible, it would have bunged up the system and nobody would get hurt. That would have failed when they decided to make it a civil offence. Bloke in North Dorset January 13, 2019 at 9:51 am Pcar, Also listen to Friday’s Coffee House Shots when they talk about a plausible way to a Corbyn govt that would go to Brussels for an extension of A50 and then call an election on their terms. It needs 8 Tory rebels and they reckon they’ve spoke to 2 plus Boles. There’s also an argument that people like Letwin, who they refer to as “men of government” reckon that the government is so unprepared for No Deal that Corbyn would be better. If two of the best political journalists, James Fraser and Stephen Bush, can’t call it then it really is a mess. As the Chinese say, we’re in for interesting times. Mr Ecks January 13, 2019 at 10:55 am “That would have failed when they decided to make it a civil offence.” No it wouldn’t cos that is just a new layer of bureaucracy that they can’t afford and can’t deal with millions of cases. As for what wankery the scum MPs can pull–what these slime forget it is us they must deal with. “Taking back control “over us is like some paedo perve killer acting out a horrible sex fantasy. They fancy themselves as God’s until the horrible deed is done and in the fading light they are just there with the evidence of their crimes and the certainty that punishment is breathing down their necks. And Jizz fucking around with Brexit loses him several million votes. Had he kept a constant line there might be less damage but to prove just as treacherous as the FFC is a fatal mistake. Remember ZaNu has the most Party members but not because of some youth dynamic. Young, dumb scum always suck the left’s dick but even with our poison education system there has been no great upsurge. Instead ZaNu is a bloated corpse packed with every Marxist maggot that decent Labour voters have kept down for 100 years. The skin will burst soon. Frankly the whole HoC shithole needs to be gone. And if Jizz gets in then public resistance against marxist shite needs to be constant from day 1. Remember if Brexit is gone then there are NO valid votes ever again. There is no such thing as an elected PM. Advisories at best. Richard January 14, 2019 at 1:23 pm Bloke in North Dorset said: “Burke’s speech … most of the electorate was illiterate … Now that the electorate is literate and has both the time and tools to understand complex issues … Yes, I know, the State is failing most but they’re still more literate than Burke’s time.” Not sure that’s true. Burke is 18th century, so before the Reform Acts, so the electorate was tiny; only 3% of the population in 1870 (estimated at 214,000 people). With such a restricted electorate, they were literate, because of who had the vote. County seats were mostly upper and upper-middle class – squires, vicars, yeoman farmers (you had to own your land freehold). Town seats were mostly tradesmen (typically an urban electorate was either freemen of the borough, who tended to be the business owners, or the Corporation itself elected the MP). Yes there were a few borough constituencies with broader working-class electorates, but not many. Today, 20% of British adults are functionally illiterate, and they all have the vote. I should think literacy amongst those who actually had the vote in the 18th century was higher than it is today. As for knowledge of the issues, the 18th century was the great age of newspapers and political broadsheets. Again, given the very restricted franchise, the electorate in Burke’s day would, I suspect, have been more literate, better educated and have better knowledge of the issues than the average today. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.