Timmy on the Food Programme

We Britons, when we go to the supermarket will have all of the finest foods in the world laid out for us at the cheapest possible price. Isn’t that a tragedy.

I start at about 20 minutes in.

27 thoughts on “Timmy on the Food Programme”

  1. So the “House of Lords committee”, quoted by the presenter, manages to hold simultaneously the opinion that high tariffs are bad because prices go up and also that low tariffs are bad because our farmers go out of business.

    Why in God’s name do these people have any power over us?

  2. Why in God’s name do these people have any power over us?

    Because we live in an (un)representative ‘democracy’ rather than in a direct democracy.

  3. Tim, he’s pulling you down in the weeds. Bogged down in details.

    When the joy is in being free. Completely, totally fvcking FREE. Like the day after your divorce became final.

    The million issues around it are trivial.

    You will be so free, you don’t even have to be in the WTO if you don’t want to.

    The presenter’s melancholy over 22% tariffs is really melodrama, trying to scare people. If he really doesn’t know that 22% is just the max, and that no tariff is actually required, he’s not fit for purpose. Since this fake WTO tariff schtick has been around for over a year, I’d say he was lying. To your face. To try to put you on the spot. He is evil. Unless he can use the “I’m stupid beyond comprehension” defense.

  4. Tim, maybe you could get more support for your position by coming across more sympathetically?

    Rather than saying famers can go bust if they are un-profitable (though correct, will no one think of the sheep!), you could say we could choose our own farming policy.

    That’s just the way I heard it.

  5. That’s a 25 minute conversation edited down. They get to pick the bits they like best…..

    It’s not really what I want to say. It’s the reporter using quotes from others to create the picture he wants.

  6. Why would a low tariff put a farmland owner out of business? I get that if the land could be used for one purpose only, then there’s a problem, but that doesn’t apply to any part of Great Britain. Or anywhere, for that matter.
    It’s permits on what the owner does with the land that could cause bankruptcy, not tariffs coming down.

  7. Raffles,

    “Tim, maybe you could get more support for your position by coming across more sympathetically?

    Rather than saying famers can go bust if they are un-profitable (though correct, will no one think of the sheep!), you could say we could choose our own farming policy.”

    Bollocks. Pull the plaster off as hard as possible. Get this stuff in the open. Use every opportunity to say what’s right.

    How many people out there like a giant money hose being aimed at farmers? Well, farmers and their friends. There’s a lot more people out there who aren’t farmers than are. Get them filling the postbags of their MPs.

    My sympathy is with those people, not a bunch of greedpig farmers.

  8. Gamecock – free except for national and local government. And treaties. And trade deals. And communications between leaders.

  9. @BoM4 – I totally agree with your position but I think that too many people still think of farmers as kind benevolent souls who think of nothing about the good of the land and feed us all out of the kindness of their hearts. Living amongst the arrogant b’stards in Cambridgeshire cured me of that but their PR is still strong. There’d be more success by chipping away at their privileges than going after all of them in one go.

    @Tim. Fair enough. Again, the press wonder where their credibility went..

  10. Tim,

    “That’s a 25 minute conversation edited down. They get to pick the bits they like best…..:”

    That’s really interesting. I heard it and the cut from your response to the next question did give me the strong feeling that the question was edited in afterwards

    I was going to comment rather as above that you should never have given them the farmer going out of business sound bite. The key was to ram home that
    1) the HoL was talking shite
    2) the BBC should have known this. They have demonstrably failed even to set up the talking head – it’s a verifiable fact that they have failed to verify. The BBC should have led with “HoL talking shite on tariffs”.
    3) they changed the subject. Which are they worried about? High prices (because high tariffs) or farmers going out of business (because low tariffs). But they shouldn’t be grilling you over it. This was a distraction.

    Did you record your full 25mins? I would have done, then release it a la Covington School and watch it get picked up by everyone on the internet…

  11. “free except for national and local government. And treaties. And trade deals.”

    Good points, Martin.

    Like after you leave the courthouse, and your divorce is final, then you realize, “Damn, I’ve got to go back to work.”

    You are never totally free.

    But at least after Brexit your oppressors will be local. And you can vote them out. Theoretically.

  12. @Tim Worstall January 27, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    “Edited to…create the picture he wants” – exactly why many now will now only be interviewed Live or record and YouTube the entire interview (eg TR on Sky)

  13. I just happened to be sitting in the parked car, with my son sleeping in the back, flicking through the channels and finally settled on a channel not devoted to pop or football. Delighted to hear a robust defence of the free market. How rare. Well done, Tim!

  14. Do the import duties paid to the EU come out of the member state’s contributions or are they in addition to them?

    I’ve heard different answers for this Q.

  15. Here’s how such a program gets made.

    So, off you go and ask some people some questions. Record their answers. You’ve got perhaps 5 hours of stuff from 10-16 people. Pick out the bits you want to use. Then write your script linking those bits. Record you asking the questions that make the extracts linked and make sense as a narrative.

    There’s no fooling going on here, this is simply how the art works. Same is true of TV. And I’ve no worries about his being selective. Partly because that’s his job, being selective. Partly because I’m fine with what he selected. Farmers can’t compete? Bye then. Free trade would mean cheaper food for all of us. Standards? So, stuff to various standards will be available.

  16. My tip to come across more sympathetically to the listener without a vested interest – never ever use the word ‘farmer’. Go with farmland owner.

  17. Pcar,

    “In particular:
    ….the widely discredited Prof. Patrick Minford…”

    Minford is spot-on. Should we sacrifice certain markets for cars? No. Because beyond any other consideration car making is leaving Western Europe anyway and heading for cheaper places. You can make cars in Poland, Serbia, Slovakia and Turkey. They make the Fiat 500 in Poland. Renaults in Turkey.

    Manufacturing leaving the UK? Bullshit. What’s leaving is high scale production line manufacturing. No-one is making vacuum cleaners, computers or TVs.

    What we’re manufacturing is higher value specialised goods. Things requiring a lot of craft per item. £400 shoes from Northampton, F1 cars, Aston Martins. I’ve worked for a parking meter company and a small fraction of the value was in making the box. Most of it was in the engineering and the software.

  18. @Bloke on M4 January 28, 2019 at 9:50 am

    ….Things requiring a lot of craft per item. £400 shoes from Northampton, F1 cars, Aston Martins.

    Thanks for that. Also Aerospace & Hi-Tech and Hi-Value/Bespoke like Sunseeker boats

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