Is South Asian right here?

You all know more than I do:

Marriage between cousins leading to fatal genetic conditions remain a factor in a significant proportion of child deaths in Bradford, according to a safeguarding report.

The report by the West Yorkshire city’s child death overview panel found that consanguineous relationships led to deaths from genetic and congenital abnormalities.

The report, published annually by Bradford children’s safeguarding board, reviewed 69 child deaths. These included 29 that occurred in 2017-18, 33 in 2016-17, and seven that took place in previous years.

More than two-thirds of these deaths, 67%, involved children under the age of one, most of whom died within 28 days.

Children of south Asian heritage were overrepresented in the figures

South Asian? Or Pakistani? Is cousin marriage common among “South Asians” or is it more restricted than that?

35 thoughts on “Is South Asian right here?”

  1. It’s a Muslim thing.

    You ask a Hindu about it and they’d be horrified.

    Saying “South Asian” is a bit of a dissembling smear, really.

  2. Not forgetting the genetic damage suffered by those who don’t die.

    Statistically speaking, anyone called Mohammad is more likely to be retarded.

  3. It’s a problem for any community where marriage is permitted only among a relatively small group (not just cousins). Some orthodox Jewish communities, for example, and high-caste Hindus in relatively isolated locations (not to mention European royalty). See also under Norfolk, Ozarks etc.

    But Bradford has a particular problem, even if we cannot state the obvious reason. To the point where researchers into rare genetic conditions are regular visitors there.

  4. It’s blatantly racist of the Guardian, but they are allowed to be, coz they are anti-racist, see?

    But Bradford has a particular problem, even if we cannot state the obvious reason

    Yeah, we can. They marry their first cousins as part of a deliberate cultural process. It isn’t Islam per se but it is cultural, and it isn’t “South Asian” but Pakistani.

    The first step in solving a problem is to define what the problem is. The government, health organisations, etc are not serious about solving it until they have the balls to call it what it is.

  5. Is this a common practice in Arabic cultures, or in Malaysia, for example? If it is common in areas where Islam predominates, then it is very likely an Islamic thing. If it is prevalent in an area which is both Pakistani and Islamic, then it is unlikely to be related to Islam.

  6. The problem’s having them in the UK, not their reproductive preferences. One thing it’s possible to change. The other not.

  7. Also Kurds, Arabs, Somalis, rural or recently urbanised Turks…common factor? Other than religion, there are the factors of tightly knit clan structure and inheritance. When they leave their countries, they don’t leave their culture.

  8. Rob,

    “high-caste Hindus in relatively isolated locations ”

    Have you got any reference for this? Take a Brahmin from Kashmir – pretty isolated by any measure – and their prohibition any inter-marriage is very strong.

    Much stronger than is typical. Roughly speaking you can’t marry any one with your surname, your mother’s maiden surname and both your grannies’ maiden names.

  9. Even if we stamped it out in Bradford, the centuries of practice before guarantee the problem persisting for a long long time.

  10. Its a function of the dowry system. By marrying first cousins the money stays in the family.

    And in the UK, with its generous benefits system, having a couple of spackers is the jackpot.

  11. There’s a simple rule the msm especially the bbc and the guardian use. If muslims do something bad they are described as asians. If the do something good then they are described as Muslim. It’s as if the bad things they do because of their muslimness are irrelevant but if they do something good it’s BECAUSE of their muslimness.

  12. In Bradford the South Asian group is overwhelmingly Pakistani (there are groups of Sikhs, Gujarati muslims and Indian hindus too that make up about 15% of the total). As to first cousin marriage it is commonplace right across South Asia so would be wrong to class it as a ‘Muslim thing’ although it is far more prevalent in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Mind you cousin marriage is also common in the middle east (and looking back at my wife’s family tree, this includes the Jewish community). My favourite cousin marriage story is that Charles Darwin married his first cousin.

  13. “Its a function of the dowry system”

    Clearly bollocks as if the claim was true there wouldn’t be such a large variation between the incidence of cousin marriages between Hindus and Muslims

  14. Muslims in Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia etc manage not to fuck their cousins.

    I think it’s a cultural thing

  15. As an aside…Muslims i’ve met in south east asia think Muslims in Arabia.and ‘the subcontinent’ are fucked up.

    Having spent time in Pakistan and in SE Asia there’s a clear difference between Muslims from one place or the other.

  16. To labour the point….

    Muslims in Pakistan were like the ‘God hates fags’ lot whereas Muslims in Singapore were like the COE.

  17. If you take a gene pool that’s already contaminated by generations of inbreeding, take a subsection and place it somewhere where breeding choices are even *more* limited, you’re bound to run into Trouble. Sooner rather than later.

    Given that said subsection absolutely refuses to even consider outbreeding, as a population they’re in a cul-de-sac from hell.

    What really worries me is that the same people that would defend the “cultural rights” of these mintellects to the bone, would quite happily burn you at the stake for even *considering* the same breeding practices in any kind of livestock….

  18. Don’t they know? Don’t they realise that it’s hurting them? Muslim, Pakistani or whatever, having miscarriages or neo-natal deaths or disabilities is personally tragic and I can’t see the balancing factor that would justify the risk.

  19. As for Tim’s question…. South Asian, and Muslim are the wrong monikers here.
    The root cause is provincialism/clannishness where a relatively small group of people refuse to interbreed with anyone other than “their kind”. With the obvious inbreeding and genetic defect concentration as a result. There’s examples of that happening all over the world.
    Hillbilly jokes have a base in reality. The US religious enclaves have the same problem. So do the few european versions. And that’s only the most obvious examples from the “Christian” world.
    It happens all over the world where cultural barriers, self-inflicted or not, play a major role in matchmaking. Religion, as one of the main movers and shakers of “culture” has a lot to do with it, but is certainly not limited to islam.

  20. would be wrong to class it as a ‘Muslim thing’ although it is far more prevalent in Pakistan and Bangladesh

    So, a Muslim thing then. Or at least far far more likely to be a Muslim thing.

    Don’t forget Norfolk.

    Good point. Peasant fuckwits more likely to fuck their cousins. And of course Islam encourages peasantry and fuckwittedness.

    It is Islam + peasant fuckwittery + (certainly in the UK) racism. The low IQ goatbotherers we import would much rather Mohamed marries his cousin than a kuffar. They’re just for raping.

    Still, yay enrichment, right?

  21. Grikath, whilst you’re correct in general terms, in relation to Tim’s question – is “South Asian” accurate – then it is very much a Muslim thing, and not a South Asian thing.

    An enormous percentage of the immigrants from what is now Pakistan were from the Kashmir Valley and Punjab. In those areas Muslims and Hindus lives culturally similar lives – but their marriage rules were very different, the main reason being religion, with Muslims taking the Abrahamic view that cousin marriages are allowed.

  22. British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population – they account for just over 3% of all births but have just under a third of all British children with such illnesses.

    Indeed, Birmingham Primary Care Trust estimates that one in ten of all children born to first cousins in the city either dies in infancy or goes on to develop serious disability as a result of a recessive genetic disorder.

    So, Pakistani then.

  23. Grikath said:
    “The root cause is provincialism/clannishness where a relatively small group of people refuse to interbreed with anyone other than “their kind” … Hillbilly jokes have a base in reality. The US religious enclaves have the same problem.”

    The other examples are of tiny groups or sparse, scattered populations. But Bradford had 106,614 people of Pakistani origin at the 2011 census, probably more now. Add in the neighbouring boroughs (41,802 in Kirklees, 22,492 in Leeds, 13,904 in Calderdale) and you’ve nearly 200,000 Pakistanis within a short bus-ride of each other.

    That’s a far larger population than in a hillbilly or Norfolk village.

    So this is a different cause – not lack of non-cousin alternatives within the group, but what looks like a definite social preference for cousin marriages.

  24. Anne Cryer, despite being Labour sc*m AND parachuted into her dead husbands safe seat in Keighley, at least was willing to put her head above the parapet…

    The window lickers on the council run buses in my bit of Bradford are 75% 4th Generation (at least) cousin shaggers. Must be 100% in BD3, BD7-8-9…

  25. Julia M I posted before reading your comment…

    Simon Cooke as Leader of the Tories on City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council you would have to say that wouldn’t you? You lot have done bugger all for Bradford in my lifetime. As for the late unlamented Ian Greenwood on the other side of the arse? Meh…

  26. @Richard
    They don’t typically marry a relative from the same or neighbouring town. Most of them are sent off to Pakistan to marry a cousin they can bring back to further enrich us.

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