The Gang of Six

A group of disaffected Labour MPs is preparing to quit the party and form a breakaway movement on the political centre ground amid growing discontent with Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership on Brexit and other key issues including immigration, foreign policy and antisemitism.

Not going to work, just as the Gang of Four didn’t.

Might keep Jezza out of office which would be one definition of working but not the one most politicians would use…..

28 thoughts on “The Gang of Six”

  1. I read somewhere that only 30% of people identify with a political party whereas 70% identify as either Leave or Remain.

    It also appears that at least 3 Conservative MPs will resign the whip and vote against May in a confidence vote if it looks like we’re heading for a No Deal exit which will lead to a GE.

    If all that’s true then we’re likely to see a massive realignment of the existing political parties anyway.

  2. On a brief reading of the Gladrag shite it would seem that the six are more anti-Brexit than Jizz and the gang ( despite Grandpa Death’s alleged personal inclinations–obviously an even MORE toxic alliance of Bliarite Shite Starmer and McNasty are pulling the strings now and Jizz is Old King Log) which is not likely to get them much support election-wise.

    Anything that does ZaNu in is fine with me. So long as BluLabour get their comupence as well.

  3. BNiD –No reason why No Deal should lead to a GE unless the FFC plans one last act of wrecking. Both main Parties would be wise to wait until 2022. Jizz may be desperate for his “chance” but after his shit-head antic of betraying millions of his own voters over Brexit he is now on a hiding to less than nothing.

  4. What’s the point of a pro-Brexit party when it’s known 400+ constituencies voted to leave? They want to split the Lib Dem vote or something?

  5. They want to split the Lib Dem vote or something?

    Surely you could do that just running in a couple of councils?

  6. Suppose you are a Labour MP who is about to be deselected. You plan to stand in the next election, if only to pocket your severance pay when you lose. Why not form a new party? You don’t have much to lose.

    If your absurd little party flukes it sway to three or four seats then you might hold the balance of power after the election.

    I wonder, though, if there is a niche for a non-Trotskyist Leave-supporting party that claims to speak for the unskilled worker and the unemployed.

  7. Tim, you are 100% wrong on this. The Gang of Four did work. They kept a hard-Left Labour out of power, and undoubtedly were a significant underlying cause of New Labour.

    If I was an anti-Corbyn Labour MP then I’d be very happy to “fail” in the same way.

  8. the guardian as is its wont has this the wrong way round. The MPs are disaffected only in the way that a snout can be disaffected with a trough.

    dearieme has the correct word: these MPs are about to be deselected so they have an incentive to plough on either as independents or in some tiresome grouping of generally past-it politicians who failed to fulfil a potential which they lacked.

  9. Any Tory MP who steals Brexit from the people is likely to have to spend the rest of their life under police protection, there will be some very, very angry people in the event Brexit doesn’t happen. Some MPs really seem to believe that this is only about them and that people will simply accept the outcome of any machinations that they get up to. I think that they’ll find that is not so for all people who lose faith in democracy.

  10. BiS – darn those voters for moving the centre to the right eh?
    Come to think of it, does that leave room for a party that is right of centre then?

  11. Martin, just what about the policies of May, Hammond etc makes you think they are right of centre in any way? Higher taxes, larger state, proliferating regulations and stipulations about stuff that is no business of government, zero interest in law and order, religious belief that they can change the climate… It all smacks of leftist bullshit to me

  12. “Disaffected” should read “de-selected”. If you are about to be shafted by your local party, then better to go with dignity.

    And I notice the Graun can’t bring itself to say that the likely MP’s might also think that Corbyn’s economic policies would be a total disaster.

  13. Then gang of four so nearly worked even in our absurd two Party duopoly. Labour survived by the skin of its teeth and the broad acceptance of moderated market economics as a model for government was its golden legacy.
    The Major and Blair years saw a step change in education , health provision prosperity and modernising attitudes . It was fiscally prudent by today`s terrifying standards and barring 4m UKIP closet racists and fruitcakes , the country was largely at peace with itself
    I met Polly Toynbee and asked her why , when she was a great supporter of the SDP she was still persisting with Corbyn. She said that Corbyn` manifesto was nothing like as extreme as the Labour Party of 1981

    My reply was that Mussolini`s programme was also quite attractive , its not what he says he will do , it’s who he is. With Nissan on their way out Labour 7% behind and Brexit more or less supported by Corbnyn I wonder how she feels now.

    Any escape form this dance of the loons would be better , it just could not be worse

  14. Diogenes – so you suggest we have a bunch of left parties in parliament?
    Is there room then for a right of centre party or should the voters be persuaded to all vote left of centre?
    I’m not entirely sure what Labour are these days – I know Jeremy is far left but its established that him and his party won’t vote the same way on all things.

  15. “I wonder, though, if there is a niche for a non-Trotskyist Leave-supporting party that claims to speak for the unskilled worker and the unemployed.”

    There is a niche for it, the problem lies in getting the money for it, and also the media will bury it, just like they are currently burying UKIP.

  16. “I wonder, though, if there is a niche for a non-Trotskyist Leave-supporting party that claims to speak for the unskilled worker and the unemployed.”

    The party that there is a niche for is a pro-leave, anti-PC, limited immigration, non-racist, pro-market, pro-productivity, pro-trade party. A party of bus drivers, baristas, small charities, parkkeepers, entrepreneurs and self-made multimillionaires.

    One of the profound misunderstandings of politics is the line is about rich and poor. But it isn’t. It’s about producer vs parasite. People don’t mind wealthy people that they think, in some broad way, deserve it. James Dyson, Alan Sugar, Steve Jobs.

    And parasitism stretches right across the wealth line. The baby mama who treats her vagina like a clown car right up to the sort of rich people who make wanky wasteful buildings like Olympic stadia.

    I even believe the Brexit line may even be this producer/parasite line. Find a remainer and how many aren’t directly working for the state, or in a private company that depends on wanky state projects or licensed by the state and wanting to keep it that way?

  17. If I was name-dropping, I wouldn’t drop Polly Toynbee round here. She is the bell-wether of wrongness.

  18. @dearieme February 3, 2019 at 10:41 am

    I wonder, though, if there is a niche for a non-Trotskyist Leave-supporting party that claims to speak for the unskilled worker and the unemployed.

    @Hector Drummond, Vile Novelist February 3, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    +1

    There is a niche for it, the problem lies in the media will bury it by branding it “Far Right” like the BNP and AMW’s Green, Veggie “For Britain” party – both Socialist

  19. @Bloke on M4 February 3, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    The party that there is a niche for is a pro-leave, anti-PC, limited immigration, non-racist, pro-market, pro-productivity, pro-trade party, Low Tax, Small Gov’t/State

    FTFY

    + 10

  20. “The party that there is a niche for is a pro-leave, anti-PC, limited immigration, non-racist, pro-market, pro-productivity, pro-trade party, Low Tax, Small Gov’t/State”

    Which as Pcar astutely points out would be tarred by the usual suspects as ‘far right’ from day one. Anyone to right of the current Tory party (which is soft left at best these days, and is still even called names for being that) will be misrepresented and labelled as bigoted racists. Heck the slightly more sound parts of the Tory party are called that now. Anyone to their right has no chance of a fair hearing.

  21. Jim,

    “Which as Pcar astutely points out would be tarred by the usual suspects as ‘far right’ from day one.”

    This is bad thinking, because they’ll label you as far right anyway. The Guardian regularly describe May’s government has “ultra right wing”, or decry the “savage cuts”, despite nearly a decade of the softest Conservative government since the 1960s.

    There is no point being nice to The Guardian writers or readers. These are people who are always going to vote for a bloated state as they are the recipients of the bloat. If you’re 80% of the bloat of Labour, they’ll vote Labour. So, there is no point in deviating or diluting policy to suck up to them.

    The Tories do not understand this. The lefties were appalled by Norman Tebbit’s “on your bike” speech, but the people who got up early to fit scaffolding, or were living in council houses and working while the chav next door didn’t loved it. The most savage attacks I’ve heard on benefit cheats aren’t from the wealthy middle class, they’re from working class people like security guards and women who serve in cafes.

  22. Pcar,

    I think we would be lower tax and smaller state, but that isn’t core philosophy so much as a byproduct of the others. If you ‘re pro-productivity, you cut a lot of government spending because it isn’t productive. But we still want the bins emptied, the parks kept nicely, kids to be able to go swimming.

  23. “This is bad thinking, because they’ll label you as far right anyway. The Guardian regularly describe May’s government has “ultra right wing”, or decry the “savage cuts”, despite nearly a decade of the softest Conservative government since the 1960s.

    There is no point being nice to The Guardian writers or readers. These are people who are always going to vote for a bloated state as they are the recipients of the bloat. If you’re 80% of the bloat of Labour, they’ll vote Labour. So, there is no point in deviating or diluting policy to suck up to them”

    All true, but the mud thrown will have an effect.

    And it won’t just be mud – you’ll have Momentum thugs causing trouble outside every meeting, at every public campaign. And it will descend rapidly into chaos, as the new party either collapses under the pressure, or tries to fight back (literally against Momentum) . And if all your meetings and events are turning into a riot then you’re not going to get much interest from the broad public ‘They’re just a bunch of violent thugs’ will be the subliminal message taken.

    Then on top of that the heads of the party will be targeted by the police – every speech will be scrutinised for ‘hate speech’ and of course agitators will complain about everything, resulting in more police activity and more bad publicity. The method thats been used on TR and the EDL will be repeated for any new party that is anywhere to the right of the Left of the Tory party. Hell, if the Tory party didn’t exist, they wouldn’t let it start now.

    I can see no way that any democratic organisation can arise to represent the people you rightly identify as being up for representation, because the liberal Left establishment won’t allow them space to grow. They’ll use all the powers of the State and their left wing thugs to prevent it happening.

  24. Jim,

    “All true, but the mud thrown will have an effect.”

    UKIP were labelled as massive racists for years and they kept increasing their vote. So, I’m not convinced.

  25. M4: I got on a bloody *aeroplane* to get work in the 1990s. It gave me the financial buffer to survive five years without work when I came back. If I wasn’t tied down I’d so the same now.

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