That cancel the whole thing petitionMarch 22, 2019 Tim WorstallEuropean Union53 CommentsThey’re still 14 million signatures short of course. previousYour task todaynextSo that’s pretty much that then 53 thoughts on “That cancel the whole thing petition” Newmania March 22, 2019 at 7:30 pm Its still a lot ( after all hardly anyone wanted the first one so ….yah boo sucks ) and the march tomorrow will be quite something .My white haired old father will be struggling up form Dorset to register his loathing for Brexit. What I find interesting is that a whole new Constituency is forming a sort of New Labour to Michael Heseltine collective of grown ups . The “demo” will be mostly dopey Liberals I`d guess but they are not the whole story Longrider March 22, 2019 at 7:38 pm Ah, so crybully, anti-democratic kidults engaging in temper tantrums because things didn’t go their way are grown ups now? Right. Got it. Steve March 22, 2019 at 7:54 pm Don’t worry, the petition is only advisory. PJF March 22, 2019 at 8:02 pm Don’t worry, the referendum was only advisory. There, fixed it for them. Mr Ecks March 22, 2019 at 9:55 pm The petition is bollocks. Remain liars bullshitting about HoC super tech means you can’t send multi emails signs from one comp. Cockrot–the verify email goes to the respective email address that’s all. Pricks with 20 emails can sign 20 times plus bots plus overseas pukes–all British ex-pats of course. That fat bastard Michael Moore has probably signed it 20 times already. Same as the July 2016 4 million caper. 40,000 sigs from British Antarctica–only 1400 people live there. Facepainter–tell your old dad he has raised scum for a son. Good job I’m our roles aren’t reversed Facepaint –then I could have sent him a Dead Gammon Tea Towel as a momento mori. But I wouldn’t because I’m not nasty remainiac scum. Collective of traitors? Problem is that treason is all they have in common–TIGS scum Chukka and Soubs. Heselshite–and 4-5 million WOMI scum remainiacs. Your shower have some power for the moment because of the British state stich-up –but you aren’t going to last . An election will break your turd up and set fire to the stench. Steve March 22, 2019 at 10:43 pm Ecks, try a spot of lavender in your bath, and soon you’ll soak yourself calm. Bloke on M4 March 22, 2019 at 11:10 pm “Its still a lot” It’s still a minority. Marches are for losers. Arrogant little tosspots who couldn’t win the argument so are having a pathetic strop about it. You know what grown-ups do when they lose? They accept it. They learn from it. They grow. Rob March 22, 2019 at 11:19 pm And at least half of them are foreigners with no vote, which means they have twice the voting power of UK citizens for the Proggies. DocBud March 22, 2019 at 11:23 pm Quite, BoM4, why waste time and money on a futile exercise that inconveniences others and costs the taxpayer. Dongguan John March 22, 2019 at 11:24 pm I’d be careful taking your father there, mate. He’s likely to be abused and told his opinion doesn’t count because he will soon be dead. The Meissen Bison March 23, 2019 at 12:08 am And Michael Heseltine will soon be brandishing the celestial mace so that’s one less for them lot. Steve March 23, 2019 at 12:50 am TMB – I’m pretty sure he won’t be wielding any baubles when he goes to the Bad Fire. Edward Lud March 23, 2019 at 12:56 am Snigger. And double snigger that Hugh Grant thinks sounding posh and telling people they’re eejits wins votes. Even Macmillan would blush. Let’s hope Emma Thompson, Bono and Sting are on song. Edward Lud March 23, 2019 at 1:16 am My favourite Heseltine anecdote, and I’m a big fan of his, is that he wore his Guards tie on more days than he served in the Guards. Smashing chap. Mr Ecks March 23, 2019 at 3:27 am Steve–I’m calmer than you are man. Just finishing my coffee Dude. Just enjoying my coffee. MC March 23, 2019 at 5:39 am “a sort of New Labour to Michael Heseltine collective of grown ups” That’s not how you spell ‘democracy-hating losers’ Henry Crun March 23, 2019 at 8:19 am Would that be the same Michael Heseltine that called for a referendum when Blair wanted the UK to join the Euro? Bloke in North Dorset March 23, 2019 at 8:36 am This idea that Brexiteers will die off but young Remainers won’t grow up and change their mind in the face of evidence is bollocks. I can understand Remainers who are Federalists, I disagree but can at least see they have a vision, no matter how deluded. What gets winds me up is the Sheeple who voted Remain because they don’t want to queue for a fucking international driving licence and other trivia. Wankers, the lot of them. Dongguan John March 23, 2019 at 9:02 am BiND… I had one friend on FB fretting that he wouldn’t be able to join the same queue as his Irish wife at immigration. Big issues right there! Christ… my Filipino wife can join me in the ‘EU’ line at heathrow. Dongguan John March 23, 2019 at 9:25 am The EU is supposed to be a union of 28 countries who hold the power and work together for universal benefit. It’s clear that no country really has any power which is actually all in the hands of the commission. They will do whatever they think is in their best interests, anyone else be dammed. Their best interests being accumulating more power. It’s like a company getting taken over by management and to hell with the shareholders. There must be studies of this phenomenom and how to deal with it. No? Edward Lud March 23, 2019 at 10:09 am Carlyle’s French Revolution? DocBud March 23, 2019 at 10:37 am Am I being too optimistic in thinking no deal on 12 April is current favourite? Bloke in Germany March 23, 2019 at 10:56 am “all British ex-pats of course.” Yes, we can sign it as can any British citizen. When your local council sends out your voting papers second class, it’s actually the only representation we get. Jimmers March 23, 2019 at 11:01 am Doc Bud. Sadly I think you are being wildly optimistic. May and the ‘Establishment’ will do everything they can to tie us to the EU indefinitely. Just witness the constantly repeated ‘we are leaving on 29th March’ and how quickly and easily it has been changed. I’d hang the lot of them as a warning to the rest. Stonyground March 23, 2019 at 11:17 am The lack of democratic accountability within the EU was one of the reasons that I voted leave. I find it interesting that those who voted to remain seem to value democracy so little. Bloke in North Dorset March 23, 2019 at 11:39 am Dongguan John, “BiND… I had one friend on FB fretting that he wouldn’t be able to join the same queue as his Irish wife at immigration. Big issues right there! Christ… my Filipino wife can join me in the ‘EU’ line at heathrow.” As the man might have said in this situation: Anyone who would trade their sovereignty for a shorter immigration queue deserves neither. “The EU is supposed to be a union of 28 countries who hold the power and work together for universal benefit. It’s clear that no country really has any power which is actually all in the hands of the commission. They will do whatever they think is in their best interests, anyone else be dammed. Their best interests being accumulating more power.” Its the Principle/Agent writ large. In theory we get to change the agent every 5 years or so but as Brexit has so clearly demonstrated changing the agent doesn’t matter as they permanent bureaucracy has taken over. Dongguan John March 23, 2019 at 12:05 pm Thank you BiND, It’s something I’ve been aware of but never known much about. Been having a quick read on wiki. Seems it’s specifically a ‘multiple principle problem’. One thing I love about Tim’s blog and the commenters here is that I’m always discovering new things to learn a little about! Bloke in Germany March 23, 2019 at 12:40 pm Stony, I would have voted remain had my local council valued democracy sufficiently to not post the forms second class, with the result that they arrived long after the referendum. Given the result, I also believe Britain should leave. It is funny how brexiteers are one minute saying that it’s a club for Germany to rule Europe and the other that it’s the faceless and unelected commission that holds the reins of power. Which is it to be then, as Alex DeLarge didn’t quite say? The commission is at least more democratic than the upper house, being appointed by governments for fixed terms, and sackable by the parliament (which they have infamously done on occasion), whereas peers are for life at least, with Sewel, Archer and the lot still at least technically among them. But no one bemoans that democratic deficit. Dongguan John March 23, 2019 at 12:47 pm BiG, Disliking both the EU and the HoL isn’t mutually exclusive. Also, Brexiters aren’t all some homogenous blob… that better describes NPC Remainers… Bloke in Wales March 23, 2019 at 12:49 pm But no one bemoans that democratic deficit. Oh yes they do. Frequently and at great length. Stonyground March 23, 2019 at 1:33 pm Me too, I bemoan that democratic deficit, especially the Bishops who would be quite happy to see me die in unbearable pain. Steve March 23, 2019 at 2:14 pm BiG – Given the result, I also believe Britain should leave. Yarp. Doesn’t matter if we supported Leave or Remain at this point. The people voted to leave, and nothing good can possibly come out of further scheming to frustrate British democracy. Can you imagine years and years more of this escalating bitterness, turbo-charged by what would be a very widespread and legitimate belief that peaceful, democratic change is no longer how we do things? Can’t see an upside to that. God only knows how it would manifest itself in our domestic and foreign affairs, but it wouldn’t be nice. Probably would make the more excitable UKIP members look like squishy centrists. I reckon yellow vest protests won’t happen, but something potentially worse might well in the medium term. Can you feel it? There’s bad juju in the air. The nuttier Remainiacs like to pretend Putin is responsible for Brexit, but I reckon if the KGB had its way, a frustrated and volatile Britain is what they’d plump for. Tony Querfotze March 23, 2019 at 3:25 pm Yes, well, the problem that we have is that the House Of Commons will this week, with the connivance of King Goblin Bercow, take control of the whole process and order the PM to request the revocation of Article 50, full stop. The end. Any political capital that Leave actually had has been burnt up by May, Barwell and Lidington. It’s over. The final humiliation is that as the EU has agreed the extension date, it is now illegal for us to leave on 29 March. Tony Querfotze March 23, 2019 at 3:29 pm I don’t think the smug remainiacs know what they’ve let themselves in for over the next couple of years if they get away with this manoeuvre, by the way. DocBud March 23, 2019 at 3:32 pm If parliament betrays the will of the people, there has to be consequences for the treacherous MPs, if there are no legal forms of redress, then the people will seek alternative means. If there are no consequences, democracy is dead. I’m frankly amazed that treacherous scumbags like Soubry, Watson, Cooper, Brake, Rudd, Boles, Beckett and Kinnock seem to imagine that they can thwart the will of the people without it coming to back to bite them on the arse at some point in their sorry, sordid lives. I suspect that will not be the case in this instance. I, of course, abhor all forms of violence and hope that all of them live long unhappy lives on their taxpayer funded pensions. Steve March 23, 2019 at 4:53 pm the House Of Commons will this week, with the connivance of King Goblin Bercow, take control of the whole process and order the PM to request the revocation of Article 50, full stop. The end. What happens if she declines? I’ve no faith in May, but this ain’t over till Diane Abbott sings. Remember – the Spanish Armada looked unstoppable too. MyBurningEars March 23, 2019 at 5:01 pm I did try to warn you all… Still not sure what the MPs are actually going to do though. It would be “brave” to revoke, when so many represent leave-voting constituencies, but I don’t think many actually have the appetite for a second referendum and there’s a risk to them of just getting the same result (although this time it might be “Leave with this deal” rather than “Leave and we’ll figure something out later”). DocBud March 23, 2019 at 5:09 pm Since everyone who voted leave is an old bastard with one foot in the grave, they don’t have much to lose by culling their local traitor. Geoff Taylor March 23, 2019 at 5:59 pm As that German comedian pointed out on QT – what would a second referendum achieve? The best Remainers could hope for is maybe 55/45 in their favour, and who really thinks that would settle the issue? Edward Lud March 23, 2019 at 7:20 pm Recently had a conversation with an old friend about this. He’s normally a model of moderation and decency, even where we disagree – as we do on Brexit. But he’s gone from, you didn’t know what you were voting for, to you can all fuck off and parliament must intervene to stop it and if that means democracy takes a nose dive then so be it. If he gets his way, I agree we’re unlikely to see open revolt, but I suspect Corbyn will be the consequence. And when that starts to seem likely, he and his fellows will start telling us how important our really are. To which the answer will be: fuck off. Edward Lud March 23, 2019 at 7:21 pm How important our votes really are Tony Querfotze March 23, 2019 at 7:29 pm What happens if she declines? I’ve no faith in May, but this ain’t over till Diane Abbott sings. Remember – the Spanish Armada looked unstoppable too. I have no faith in May (or whoever is the PM at that stage) to do anything other than mumble “I must do as the House commands” and get on a jet to Brussels immediately. They’re not even bothering to hide the contempt now. Mr Ecks March 23, 2019 at 7:40 pm I don’t think they have the balls for revoke. It is an open declaration of war. Any 2nd ref would have to be rigged. And DUP/ERG+Jizz can still force a GE. Jizz has pissed on millions of his own voters. But it is still his last best chance to be PM.. If BlueLabour scum stay till 2022 ZaNu itself won’t. I don’t think he will and I can see UKIP taking enough marginal from both lots of scum to hold the balance of power at least. What about it Theo–will you stick with your own –proven–band of traitors and be worse than My Dad voted Labour or will you vote–if only one time–to break the mould? Bloke in North Dorset March 23, 2019 at 7:53 pm Jim, But he’s gone from, you didn’t know what you were voting for, to you can all fuck off and parliament must intervene to stop it and if that means democracy takes a nose dive then so be it. If he gets his way, I agree we’re unlikely to see open revolt, but I suspect Corbyn will be the consequence. And when that starts to seem likely, he and his fellows will start telling us how important our really are. To which the answer will be: fuck off. I suppose there would be a certain humorous irony in ending remaining and with a Corbyn government that was stopped from implementing its policies because they were against EU State aid and other rules. Steve March 23, 2019 at 8:54 pm I don’t think they have the balls for revoke. It is an open declaration of war. One factoid to support Ecksy’s theory: the government’s strategy of trying to blackmail the patriotic minority of Tory MP’s into agreeing to call the NeverBrexit Agreement “Brexit”. AKA the “Five Lights” plan. If TPTB were feeling comfortable about stymieing Brexit, they wouldn’t be fretting so much about the WA. Just let it fail and then do the dirty deed of formalising the end of our sovereignty by allowing Parliament to revoke Art 50. This is a “win-win” situation for the establishment. But they’re palpably desperate to make Parliamentary Brexiters complicit in the murder of Brexit, for the same reason the assassins of Julius Caesar wanted to share the guilt. Not just May, but the entire government and its aligned media tarts are visibly losing hair over this. They may yet work up the courage to openly cancel British democracy, but so far they haven’t had the stones. Dongguan John March 24, 2019 at 3:30 am I see there’s the same lie again about the number of marchers in London, reported without question by The Guardian et al. Dongguan John March 24, 2019 at 3:32 am They all want to revoke it but they all want it to be everyone else but them that does it. So no one has the guts. What a bunch of spineless pathetic cunts. A GE is needed to purge the commons of this filth. Paul March 24, 2019 at 10:22 am “Pricks with 20 emails can sign 20 times” You only need one domain. If you own brexit.co.uk you can set it up so that @brexit.co.uk is redirected to any email address you like. You can then just simply either sit there signing the petition with made up names or if you get bored write a script to generate them from lists of names or online directories, or whatever. I own at least four domains (not sure OTOMH) so could probably generate a few hundred thousand on my own. You have to ask the obvious question. Why no Captcha ? Why no “What is Tim Worstall’s surname ?” type questions (computers are terrible at natural language) ? Picture recognition stuff, computers are bad at that as well. Most bulletin boards have this as a requirement for signing up to stop spamming. It’s not like the tech is anything new. Stick a Captcha on there, or one of those irritating “click all the buses” things, and whilst you can’t stop people signing up as many times as they want, they have to do it the hard way. Of course, the same people who funded the coaches for the marches, could fund people to do that anyway. Conclusion ; the petition people want it to look as if it’s heavily used to preserve their own jobs. Paul March 24, 2019 at 10:26 am “It is funny how brexiteers are one minute saying that it’s a club for Germany to rule Europe and the other that it’s the faceless and unelected commission that holds the reins of power. Which is it to be then, as Alex DeLarge didn’t quite say?” The latter. It’s not that Germany rules, so much as it has all the money (or it thinks it has, it’s actually given a lot of it away …) so they have to do what the Germans want to keep them happy. So interest rates would be set to suit Germany and if it causes three billion houses to be built and trash the economy of another country, tough. France also has disproportionate influence for historical reasons as we can see over the budget row. Which may be more to do with Merkel/Macron unification stuff. Bloke in Germany March 24, 2019 at 11:51 am Most Germans would say the interest rates are definitely not benefiting them because their money is sat in the bank earning zip. And it’s forcing rents up. Why it’s not caused three billion houses to be built in Germany, which would be a nice side-effect and at least fix the soaring rents, is anyone’s guess. So, sorry, but bollocks to the idea that interest rates are set for the benefit of Germany. The only “winners” are those looking to cash in assets. Mr Ecks March 24, 2019 at 2:35 pm The low interest rates are to enable the state borrow-to -stay alive program Biggie. If ord interest rates went to 6-7% all tax monies nearly everywhere would have to go to cover the interest. The bad consequences of state borrowing and meddling are bad for everyone. Except the Globo elite who can but things and assets which accumulate in value. Rich get richer poor get poorer . Socialistic Krony Krapitalism–opposite results to the free market where everybody gets richer. Mr Ecks March 24, 2019 at 2:36 pm “Buy things and assets”–typing too fast. Bloke in Germany March 24, 2019 at 4:57 pm Ecks, Germany is running a surplus right now. So it would be in the government’s interest to have high interest rates. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.