Me ‘uman writes

Giving children detention during break time is a violation of their human rights, the British Psychological Society has said.

Schools should never threaten to take away a pupil’s break or lunch time as a punishment, the society’s educational and child psychology division.

OK, yes, that’s really something we should put up there with free speech and fair trials, isn’t it?

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  1. And giving them detention during lesson time, even one hour, would irreparably damage their education forever, while detention after school would be against the human right to a family life.

    But what if they are six years old and misgender another child? Clearly this is more complicated that we all thought.

  2. Hmm. I agree. Schools shouldn’t threaten.

    Discipline requires credibility. They should do it.

  3. They don’t seem to propose an alternative.

    There also seems to be a massive jump in their reasoning.
    A. Play is an important part of a childs life, and brain breaks are important for concentration. Therefore we should have playtime in school.
    This is a consensus view (and is probably even true).

    B. Therefore we should never ever deprive a child of their break-time.

    No idea how they jumped to that position. I think everyone (including teachers) would agree that repeatedly and consistently keeping a child in detention would be a bad thing and at that stage something better needs doing for the child. Most importantly in this situation it would imply that the punishment isn’t actually working as a deterrent sufficiently. But that is a long way off from being used as an appropriate deterrent/sanction on an occasional basis.

  4. @BenS

    It’s also the core benefit of education. Learning to cope with doing something you’d rather not be doing. The lessons are purely to occupy the time.
    It is, after all, how the vast majority of people are going to spend a large proportion of their lives.

  5. The human rights slug continues its inexorable mission creep to chew up Western Civilisation, leaving only a sticky trail of decaying slime behind it.

  6. For fucks sake. This one really makes my shit itch.

    One of the best lessons that kids can be taught is that with rights, go responsibilities.

    Any naughty little boys and girls who are not responsible and disrupt their own, and their peer’s lessons loose their right to playtime (a bit).

    What the hell is wrong with that?

    And who are these utter, utter cunts trying to pretend that this is otherwise – especially to children? Wilfully mendacious, sneaky bastards.

  7. I’ve read on (after my initial explosion above – sorry about the language). I’ve only had an initial quick flick – through it, but the paper issued by the British Psychological Society seems to be more about the ‘political’ relating to ‘rights’ to play, mixed up a bit with the beneficial psycholigical aspects of play.

    But it doesn’t go anything like into (for example) comparing the respective psychological issues with (temporarily) withdrawing the kid from playtime as a punishment vs letting them think that they can basically act how they want with no punishment over time. Or comparing a punishment of withdrawing play against some other punishment (not sure if they posit an example, not read it deeply yet, but I bet it doesn’t). Although I suppose ‘they’ would say that there are other ways to punish (yeah, right – look how that’s been going over the last few decades).
    It’s just social politics with a smattering of psychology sciencey stuff to give it some apparent sciency legitimacy.

    The march through the institutions continues apace.

  8. There’s no such thing as human rights – silly bloody invention.

    Anyway, give the little buggers a couple of strokes of the strap and then let life roll on.

  9. I noticed two things when I taught for a while in a pupil referral unit.

    Those in charge say there should be a ‘graduated hierarchy of sanctions’ for unacceptable behaviour.

    However, they will never approve the implementation of any of those sanctions.

    And, they will always accept unacceptable behaviour.

  10. Other than those SJW paras at start, a reasonable article.

    Giving children detention during break/lunch time is pointless, it must be after school day to be a proper punishment.

  11. If the kids value break/lunch time, it’s not pointless. Negative consequences for negative behavior.

    In elementary school, I carried small toys with me to play with, I got kicked out of class so often. The teacher would sit me outside the classroom door. It wasn’t punishment; I rather enjoyed it. Like Hilts in the Great Escape.

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