Well, yes, I suppose so

Even though times have moved on, and the pubic is more sympathetic to green issues,

We certainly seem to be getting screwed over such matters…..

18 thoughts on “Well, yes, I suppose so”

  1. As a member of the pubic myself I have to say that I’m fed up to the back teeth with successive governments pandering to the green lobby. 99% of the problems that they are wasting our money on are totally fictitious.

  2. @Stonyground – indeed, not to mention problems which are created by government, such as pollution from diesels.

  3. Can’t be bothered to read it properly but I gather the idea is to persuade people to junk working vehicles in favour of new ones. I assume the car industry is in favour. But if we shorten the life of vehicles we needs must expend energy and resources, as well as suffer the concomitant polution, to build more replacements. Of course this might happen in China where it doesn’t count.
    Since it is mostly the poor who posses old vehicles, this will increase inequality.
    So, worse for the world’s environment, bad for the deplorables, good for car makers especially Chinese ones.
    It’s just what the Guardian wants!

  4. Bloke in Germany

    Of course the “those who will be hit hardest fallacy” rears its head again. This time: hard-pressed families who own and drive cars in London.

    Really? Is even the Graun so red-bespectacled that they can’t see the blatant idiocy of that statement?

    That said, I can’t stand these unnecessary complexities and inconveniences. A vehicle that’s road-legal anywhere should be road-legal everywhere. Stop privileging Londoners while those outside the bubble are presumably unimportant enough to be exposed to noxious fumes. Not very equalidee that, is it?

  5. All I can say is every day I find my decision to abandon the city of my birth for a decent life repeatedly validated. The Smoke has now become a strange country more forrin’ than here.

  6. All the eco-shite is part of the globo’s strategy.

    Ordinary little nobodys are to be impoverished and their cars taken FIRST.

    Useless middle class dickheads–as with the increasing costs of alcoholic refreshment–can cope best for now but it will come for them soon enough. Already has started under scum like Macron.

    MC– pollution from diesels is a non-issue. The state bigging up diesel–or anything–is wasteful and stupid–but it doesn’t matter so far as the diesel=death shite goes. It is ALL a pile of shite.

    Biggie–you should have more sense. Equal misery for everybody? I don’t know or care how many folk drive into Londonistan–there congestion gives Sad Dick an excuse–but the same cockrot is being pulled in Leeds and planned in every one horse town going. Not because there is the slightest truth in ANY of the Green vomit but as part of a programme of deliberately turning the clock backward away from the age of plenty created by the West.

  7. Sadiq is playing a clever game. As the official Labour Party candidate, the poor will always vote for him. What he needs are middle-class votes. Pandering to their eco-fears is a good way of achieving that.

  8. I nearly got caught by the current ULEZ. I saw signs, but I thought it was something upcoming as I hadn’t heard much about it. Thankfully, I paid the £12 before the fine.

    I’m not against the idea of it in general, but the 7 days a week thing marks it out as nothing more than tax raising. The congestion charge is only 5 days a week, so clearly, London isn’t that busy on weekends. And driving along Tower Hill wasn’t that busy. No more so than driving in Reading on a weekend.

    London’s going to be socialist because the place is stuffed full of government employees of many stripes and low-income people on HB. And it really shows. It feels shitty and rundown.

  9. “–but the same cockrot is being pulled in Leeds and planned in every one horse town going”

    Well those of us from the correct side of the Pennines got this sorted and threw it out by a massive, truly massive, margin some years ago.

  10. Ted S, Catskill Mtns, NY, USA


    Cash for Clunkers in the US had mostly the same effect, wiping out the bottom rung of cars on the car ladder (sorry to mix metaphors) and making trying to own your first car a much more expensive proposition.

    Increasingly I think this was done deliberately to keep the poor dependent on the State.

  11. “The Smoke has now become a strange country more forrin’ than here.”

    25 enjoyable years in London. Left 13 years ago and have returned just once, to attend a funeral. My nephew and niece love the place (it’s an age/career thing), but for me the city became a foreign country. That said I am hosting friends from Liverpool this week, a race that are arguably more alien than anyone I met during my London years.

  12. Andrew M,

    the poor will always vote for him

    You get to a point where that no longer applies. There are costs that the poor and workers are not prepared to bear.

    Everywhere you drove in Central Queensland before the recent Australian general election there were billboards declaring to coal miners, their families and those dependent on the coal industry “Bill Shorten’s policies will cost you your job”.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison hardly mentioned Liberal policies, he just kept asking Bill Shorten how much his 50% renewable target would cost ordinary Australians. Bill Shorten refused to answer, weakly claiming that to ask such a question was dumb. This enabled the Liberal party to put their own figures on the cost without challenge. There was also a lot of talk about policies which would reduce incomes for retirees.

    The result was that Bill Shorten lost the unlosable election. In particular, Labor were annihilated in regional Queensland, seats which were marginal and Labor hoped to pick up became safe Liberal National Party seats. Scott Morrison said at his victory speech “how good is Queensland?” and woke SJWs, who went into meltdown over the result, accused voters of being greedy and selfish, and called for Quexit.

  13. The Other Bloke in Italy

    Coming in late, but am I the only one who read Tim’s first sentence properly?

  14. One problem with the pursuit of clean air and water is that there is no obvious point at which we can say we’ve done enough. Back in the 50s you didn’t need instruments to detect pollution. You could smell it and often enough see it. Now you mostly wouldn’t notice. Are we there yet? Nobody knows, but given that there are institutions set up to clean air and water, and given the popularity of the cause with the chattering classes it’s high time a proper check was made- we don’t really need river water to be of distilled purity, and some level of dust in the air is acceptable.
    Plus of course most of those pollutants detected in London air come from domestic heating and public transport, areas where the chattering classes are likely to pushback.

  15. Bloke in North Dorset

    Well those of us from the correct rainy side of the Pennines got this sorted and threw it out by a massive, truly massive, margin some years ago.

  16. Ted S, Cash for Clunkers wiped out my mechanic. He made his living working on older cars. Many of his clients sold out and got cars with WARRANTIES.

  17. I gather the idea is to persuade people to junk working vehicles in favour of new ones

    Looking solely at carbon emissions, this is a daft idea. If you drive an ageing gas-guzzler*, it’s still far better for ‘the environment’ (and your pocket) to run it into the ground than buy a new replacement vehicle, even if it’s a pure electric.

    * unless, perhaps, you’re a road-warrior doing 30,000+ miles a year in a Mustang Boss

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