What’s the point of voting Tory then?

Fracking should be banned, the UK must take global leadership on the climate emergency and a royal commission should decide how to build homes in an environmentally sustainable manner, an influential group of Conservative MPs has said.

The Conservative Environment Network (CEN) set out a manifesto on Tuesday that they said must govern the UK’s policies to prevent climate catastrophe and allow for greener economic growth.

If you get the same idiocy from them as everyone else?

36 comments on “What’s the point of voting Tory then?

  1. None. None whatsoever.

    But then I can’t vote any more anyway, so it’s a moot point…

  2. I wouldn’t know how “influential” the Conservative Environment Network is amongst party members, but I suspect it’s not as much as the grauniad thinks.

    After all, they barely talk to the TINAs like Grieve and Lee so they would have no clue how a real tory thinks.

  3. Yes vote Tory and you get
    1 A Party that hates exporters
    2 A Party that hates the City( which hates it right back)
    3 A Party which is promising bigger hand outs than Corbyn but without any taxes , to be financed by the”cross my fingers ” method …and that when National Debt is already at nosebleed high levels
    4 A Party whose shit for brains Polices will require it to find certain visible industries out of tax payers money amongst which is ( excuse me while I vomit at the Leave lies ..) fishing for fucks sake
    5 A Party which excuses this bollocks on the grounds ” we spent a trillion on the banks ” when we Did fucking not

    A Party that skimps on education fucks up services restarts the troubles and joins the US on the biggest idiot blond moment in global history

    .and last but mot least a Party that trades on anti immigrant poison like some meths addled street corner loon

    Yes why would anyone vote for that bunch of arseholes

  4. I suspect this, like Brexit, is a disconnection between the party in Parliament and the party in the country. Eventually either there is considerable re-selection of candidates, or the ordinary members go elsewhere. And they now have somewhere to go.

  5. @ Newmania. Now wipe down your mum’s keyboard and go and lie down in a darkened room. A member of the Institution of Antisemitism remarking on the imagined racism of others is somewhat ironic, but the Left don’t understand British irony, even though they’ve lived here for a very long time.

  6. an influential group of Conservative MPs has said

    Question: When are members of the Tory party not “fascist Tory scum”? When they are tactically useful for something the Guardian is pushing.

  7. @Newmania

    There are actually some sound reasons why immigration should be controlled. None of these reasons are waaaaaacist.

    What are the reasons that Labour hates British citizens who happen to be Jews?

  8. A member of the Institution of Antisemitism remarking on the imagined racism of others is somewhat ironic,

    I detest Corbyn – I am a member of the Liberal Party ( although I am actually neither Liberal or especially democratic )

  9. Newmania,

    The hagiography of immigrants is moronic and frankly disastrous for the country.

    The Indians have been a boon for the UK, the Somalians not so much.

    Shades of gray son, shades of gray.

  10. Off topic somewhat: Tim you’re an economist. I note that today we have reached an all time high in the GBP price of gold. Personally I’m a massive sceptic of fiat money and think gold is a super inflation / politician incompetence hedge. Gordon F Brown sold our gold at the bottom of the market. I hope a new Tory administration adopts the right policies towards money, its backing, velocity and use (and gold reserves).

  11. The Labour Party hates Jews along Marxist lines, it sees Israel as the military colony of the West in the ME and this Empire as an expression of capitalism and a proxy for the US which it also hates
    I am a supporter of Israel as a matter of fact
    People find it hard to conceive of the general anti antisemitism of both Fascist and left wing thought in the early 20th century
    These same people are quick to vent their spleen on” Citizens of nowhere ” ..the “Liberal traitor elite” …” The Banks ” as opposed to the “Will of the people ”

    Its not so had to imagine

  12. Flubber , I agree with you absolutely and we have chosen to get rid of German teachers Polish civil engineers and French Financiers and replace them with more arranged marriage peasants from the Hindus valley fake students and people who should not be here at all

    Arrrrrrgh !!!!

  13. I’m not an economists and I’m really not a fan of the gold standard either. But chacun a son gout of course.

  14. Tim – more’s the pity. I think a recession and then a great inflation is coming along.

    (btw – You may not be a qualified economist but you clearly are an economist – in the sense that you opine with great common sense on matters economic when many ‘qualified’ participants in the dismal science spout utter %^$£ for a living)

  15. …and joins the US on the biggest idiot blond moment in global history…

    What was that then?

  16. That just makes me someone who writes about economics rather than an economist…..

  17. Gordon F Brown sold our gold at the bottom of the market. I hope a new Tory administration adopts the right policies towards money, its backing, velocity and use (and gold reserves).

    They’ll probably buy a load at the top of the market.

  18. PJF, I imagine that the facepainter is alluding to Trump’s recreation of the International art of negotiation. In recent times, diplomacy seems to have evolved into holding big meetings and making resounding but meaningless promises to do things. Meanwhile the big stuff is arranged in secret, behind closed doors by the technocrats and we only get to find out what’s going on when jars of marmite change size or the bank of Japan turns out to hold majority stakes in the bonds of sick Japanese companies.

    Trump has reverted to using diplomacy in an overt way to further what he sees as the interests of his nation. And the progressives hate him for bringing the backroom shenanigans into the open and doing it so much more effectively than the furtive, secretive, pocket-stuffing technos

  19. @Newmania “we have chosen to get rid of German teachers Polish civil engineers and French Financiers”

    Have we? I thought the point as we could invite these people in if we wanted and needed them.

    That’s the point.

    Next time you hold a party, draw up a list of those you want to come. You’ll find it’s a list of those you want to come. Then, in your spirit of open borders, I’ll add 200 other people. You won’t know them. Might be Roma. Might be young Somalian men fleeing a war zone. You’d be a racist not to let them in. Who knows, might make the party better and you’d be even more of a racist if you suggest it might not.

  20. har har…. instead of Jeremy finding 6bn to help farmers in no deal from someone else’s pocket how about:

    – no tariffs on food.
    – no subsidies on food production.
    – let agricultural landowners choose between building on a % of their land or let them frack it and keep the proceeds.

    What we get then is a counter balance to the farming special pass. Josephine public will have cheaper food, cheaper houses and cheaper fuel. Taxes will stay the same plus good old Farmer Giles won’t have to blow his brains out because no one’s giving him their money.

  21. Newmania – Conservatives are all that and yet don’t show it in the policies brought in during all this time they have been in power. How are they implementing these policies you claim they have?

  22. Newmania, why is it that Fascists and Socialists both hate Jews? Could it be that they are the same?

  23. “although I am actually neither Liberal or especially democratic”

    I doubt if anyone has noticed.

  24. “That’s why they hate him.”

    True, Rob.

    As far as the Left is concerned, the West no longer exists. They say throw open the borders, and make no attempt to assimilate those who come in.

    Conservatives have no problem with immigration. We have a problem with invasion.

    “people who should not be here at all”

    Sicko. Anyone who can be assimilated is okay, but the flow must be controlled, so assimilation can keep up.

    Note that foreign national Muslims cannot be assimilated, and should not be allowed in. The practice of Islam should be specifically banned in the West. If there is to be a West.

  25. Fracking should be banned, the UK must take global leadership on the climate emergency and a royal commission should decide how to build homes in an environmentally sustainable manner, an influential group of Conservative MPs has said.

    You guys are well and truly fucked. If I was a better person than I am, I’d feel well and truly sorry for you.

  26. A Party that skimps on education fucks up services restarts the troubles and joins the US on the biggest idiot blond moment in global history

    A party certainly skimped on your education. More than one, I’d wager, given your daily (lost) battles with grammar, syntax and proper punctuation.

  27. I necessarily became a voter of anyone but the Tories after the Independence betrayal in March after 2 decades of higher taxes and fewer civil liberties. Fuck em.

    I like the BREXIT party and they will get my vote at any election for now, but making sure the Tories never do suits me fine.

    I don’t have enough stuff for Grandpa Stalin to bother me much for years.

    If the Tories want socialist arseholes running the country, they can Fucking have it and watch all their pretty stuff lose value or get taxed away. Those nice houses and big expensive cars are obvious targets……

  28. If you’re the sort of fruitcake who wants green, lefty bollocks, you’ll not be voting Tory. There is nothing to be gained by conservative parties trying to appeal to green, lefty nutters.

    The recent General Election in Australia was very much fought on the cost of Labor’s uncosted climate change policies and tax cuts promised by the Coalition. A huge factor in regional Queensland was the Adani coal mine. Federal Labor in Queensland was annihilated, to an extent that State Labor, facing an election next year, rushed through the final approvals for the Adani mine.

    The lesson to be learned for conservative parties is that there must be a clear difference between you and the commie bastard parties so that your traditional base has good reason to vote for you.

  29. The lesson to be learned for conservative parties is that there must be a clear difference between you and the commie bastard parties so that your traditional base has good reason to vote for you.

    Unfortunately, conservative parties are utterly terrified of left-wing media and are desperate to appease them. They assume their core vote will always vote for them – a stupid assumption, as has been demonstrated in the past and is being demonstrated now, but they keep on doing it.

  30. Rob,

    But in Australia, the Coalition dumped its wet leader (Malcolm Turnbull) and went on the offensive against Labor policies that would push up energy prices and cost jobs. This resulted in swings to the Coalition in mining communities. Conservatives have to portray the message that they stand for something. Labor in Australia put climate change ideology ahead of the cost of living for low and middle income earners and jobs for miners, and managed to lose the unlosable election.

  31. “They assume their core vote will always vote for them ”

    No. They assume they can get away with lying to their core vote.

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