Americans never do quite get English, do they?

Johnson, whose full name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, was born in New York City (he gave up his US citizenship in 2016) and was educated at the prestigious English prep school Eton, and later at Oxford University.

Eton’s not a prep school love. It’s a public school.

The pitch worked. Johnson easily defeated Foreign Minister Jeremy Hunt to become the next party leader and future prime minister.

Foreign Secretary. The Foreign Minister was that short arse Duncan chappie wasn’t it?

35 thoughts on “Americans never do quite get English, do they?”

  1. But isn’t it a prep school in the american sense..as in upper class pre college? They’re just saving themselves all the explanatory guff by using the American definitions.

  2. Vox – not vox verum
    I lost count of the number of straightforward lies. let alone selectively misleading statements

  3. whose full name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

    I’m old enough to remember when Vox thought saying the US president’s full name was raciss.

  4. de Pfeffel? Pah! Couldn’t they have thrown in a Richelieu, a Von Sturm und Taxis or a Messina-Sidonia or some such? Even a mere Fitzalan would do.

    Johnny-come-lately. Our standards in the matter of toffs have plummeted.

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    I see Boris the racist has appointed Saj as Chancellor and Pritti Patel as Home Sec.

    Some racist – although I’m sure Remain and the left, to the extent they aren’t synonyms, will find some way to spin it.

  6. @ BiND
    Saj does actually understand a bit about finance so the left cannot possibly tolerate him

  7. ‘Prep school’ in American (I’m aware you have your own, different, prep schools) is the closest American equivalent to ‘public school’.

    For an American audience ‘public school’ doesn’t have the same aura of exclusivity that it does over there as in American ‘public school’ is the equivalent of ‘state school’ over there.

  8. Plus, its Vox. White female millennial journalism majors make up 99.9% of their writers. Excuse me, ‘associate editors’.

  9. Yep, Jeremy (I just remembered I am an entrepreneur) Hunt is the son of an admiral and went to Charterhouse (which these days is full of kids whose pater went to Eton but now can’t get in because it has an intelligence test). Meanwhile Boris was (and is) sufficiently smart to get a full King’s scholarship to ‘school’

  10. Some racist – although I’m sure Remain and the left, to the extent they aren’t synonyms, will find some way to spin it.

    The cynical ones will ignore it, and the loonies will brand them as “Uncle Toms”.

  11. @Mark T…

    One of the things that seems to be missed by the “Boris is a bumbling Etonian moron” brigade is that he was there on a full scholarship – something you can be certain isn’t available on presentation of five Cornflakes box tops!

    Wasn’t he also at Oxford on a scholarship?

  12. “Wasn’t he also at Oxford on a scholarship?”

    Balliol, wasn’t it? Not even granola boxtops gets you one of those thingummies.

    Clever chap, but not clever enough to get a first without a spot of work. No shame in that, of course; probably the curse of doing a tough degree rather than PPE.

  13. @ dearieme
    Quite! There was an alleged quote from one of his tutors saying that he could have winged it on a couple of hours per week but *not* on five minutes work per week

  14. The ‘top’ public schools, Eton,Winchester,StPauls and Westminster are fiercely competitive on the academic side now and all have v tough entrance exams, meaning a lot of ‘old boys’ are discovering that they can’t get their lad in to their alma mater…hence the point about Charterhouse being full of boys with old Etonian dads. Wellington is now the preferred choice of ‘the cream’ of British society (as in Rich and thick).
    Of course the reason that they are called public schools is that they were set up to educate the children of the middle classes to run the country while the aristocracy generally arsed around. Hence Eton has scholars (like Boris) and oppidans like Cameron and the Princes. Boris is basically a grammar school boy in a tailcoat

  15. ‘Americans never do quite get English, do they?’

    We’re quite okay with that. Did you know we have the world’s largest economy? We’ve done okay since leaving British rule.

  16. Which caused you to demand Reparations from Germany, which led to the Second World War.

    “Paid” leaves out your borrowing. Repaid is the correct word.

    Frankly, I think the world would have been better off if it U.S. stayed out of WWI. It would likely have been settled as a draw. No victors. And WWII would have never happened. The Soviet Union would have never happened.

  17. BWTM.

    Some years ago, there was a historical fantasy book that suggested convincingly that if the South had won the Civil War, i.e., gained its independence, the U.S. and the Confederacy would have backed different sides in WWI. The result being that both would have stayed out of WWI. Hence the draw scenario above would have resulted.

  18. @ Gamecock
    There is data somewhere to show the value of UK investments in the USA in early 1914 and in 1919. Roosevelt minor introduced LendLease during WWII, not WWI, when the UK was struggling to find enough cash.
    The French demanded Reparations for the devastation caused by the German invasion – according to Wikipedia the sum that the UK suggested for reparations was actually less than the sum proposed by the German government, so *our* demand for reparations certainly did not cause WWII.
    No-one knows whether WWI would have been a draw without the US involvement; we do know that by the time the USA joined WWII, Germany had no chance of winning.

  19. Your beliefs are fanciful, John.

    https://www.americanforeignrelations.com/O-W/Reparations-The-versailles-settlement.html

    ‘Consequently, the Allies largely had financed the war in the United States through selling international investments and through first-year borrowing. Until April 1917, the British, and to a lesser extent the French, Russian, Italian, and Belgian governments, had borrowed by floating their bond issues through American bankers.’

    ‘At the Paris Peace Conference early in 1919, the chief American experts, Norman H. Davis and Thomas W. Lamont, suggested a maximum figure of roughly $28.5 billion, half in gold and the remainder in German marks. But Lloyd George and French Premier Georges Clemenceau pressed for a much higher amount.’

  20. @Gamecock

    I agree with John, Hitler lost European WWII when he invaded Russia. USA involvement in Europe prevented Russia conquering all of Europe and UK becoming a Taiwan.

    Final result would have been better if USA heeded Churchill and pushed Russia back out of Europe.

  21. @ Gamecock
    The UK government borrowed $3.7bn in the USA to PART-FINANCE the $6.7bn that it lent to its allies. Most of its borrowing was internal, War Loan one War Loan 2 War Loan 3, consolidated into a lower-interest loan by Ramsay Macdonald’s Labour Government in 1931; to meet the foreign exchange shortage created by its trade deficit with the USA it initially asked British investors in the USA to voluntarily hand over their investments, thereafter “sequestrating” (aka seizing) $1.423bn of UK investments in the USA that it sold to pay for US exports,
    https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/war_finance_great_britain_and_ireland
    You MAY note, if you choose to do so that the UK investments sold more than covered the UK trade deficit with the USA during WWI. NB This is not Nigel Farage writing: it is an article by an American academic
    You may also choose to apologise.

  22. Or I may choose to say that Wilson was against reparations, until Lloyd George and Clemenceau
    pulled him aside and said, “If we don’t get reparations from Germany, we can’t pay you back.”

  23. @ Gamecock
    You may choose to say that whether it is true or not.
    However, as I have already pointed out Britain had *already* paid the USA for everything that it had bought from the USA and a bit more.
    The reason why the USA is the biggest economy is that it received a massive boost to export demand during 1914-7 and it bought back a large part of the investments that the Scots (and a few English) had made to build US infrastructure at fire sale prices during the War.
    The amount that the USA loaned was less than the UK spent (net lending by the UK – loans to Allies less refinancing in the US – plus sales of investments to pay for US net exports to the UK plus its normal civilian balance of payments surplus that was sucked up to pay for the war) – even ignoring the $millions pocketed by JP Morgan before passing the balance on to the borrower.
    Your source is about as dispassionately objective as “The Guardian” [not necessarily as dishonest but IT IS WRONG when it omits the $billions (the $1.4bn I cited is only those seized by the government and sold, not those sold by private investors to pay for $ imports) of investment proceeds used to pay for the war and it is AGAiN wrong when it says that up to 1917 most of the finance had been raised in the USa whereas early in the War most of the finance had been raised in London]. That is the sort of one-sided reporting that denies the fact that the French won the Battle of Yorktown.
    My beliefs in this matter are not fanciful – they are based on sounder foundations than yours.

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