Four boys of no appearance

Four teenage boys aged between 15 and 17 have been charged with an aggravated hate crime over a homophobic attack against two women on a London night bus in May.

23 thoughts on “Four boys of no appearance”

  1. One of the 16-year-olds, from Wandsworth, south London, is also charged with theft and handling stolen goods, while the other, from the borough of Kensington and Chelsea, is accused of possessing cannabis.

    Stereotypes exist for a reason.

    Anyway, the original political capital these women made at the time, that it was about Brexit, can’t be true – these kids weren’t old enough to vote.

    Refuted, ladies!

  2. I see it’s still being described as ‘a homophobic attack’ because, if the youths hadn’t picked up on their lesbianism, they’d have sat there like little angels, playing ‘I Spy’, hassling no-one…

  3. I still don’t get how the lads on the bus knew they were lesbians & thus a target for a homophobic attack. Going by the photos, they’re not overtly in comfortable shoes or the shaved head abundant facial piercings in-your-face sort of lezzers. Just a couple of reasonably tasty chicks. What’s supposed to have been the tell? Couple of irons, maybe. Geezers getting smoochy together on a bus is going to stick out. But affectionate body contact is normal behaviour for straight girls.
    Lads do not ordinarily go out of their way to alienate tasty totty. It’s just not in the playbook. Or was the response to a bit of banter a display of aggressive heterophobia?

  4. @ BiS. You’re getting a bit close to blaming the victims there. Whatever went on, it’s no excuse for violent assault.

  5. “I still don’t get how the lads on the bus knew they were lesbians & thus a target for a homophobic attack. Going by the photos, they’re not overtly in comfortable shoes or the shaved head abundant facial piercings in-your-face sort of lezzers. Just a couple of reasonably tasty chicks. What’s supposed to have been the tell? ”

    Its not rocket science. Two attractive (ish) young ladies travelling together. Not obviously lesbian, as you say. Group of suitably diversely enriched youths start making lacivious comments of a heterosexual nature, what they’d do to that, suck this darling etc etc. Not being from the UK and not knowing that this was the time to keep their heads down, and probably get off the bus and continue their journey by other means, they pipe up, and start to chops back, We don’t like men, we’re strong independent sexually liberated women who don’t need no stinking men etc etc. Thus letting the lesbian cat out of the bag. And the whole thing escalated from there.

    This wasn’t a ‘homophobic’ attack, it was a case of the usual diverse scum behaving as they always do. It just so happened they picked on a couple of good looking lezzers this time. Could have been two straight female friends on their way back from the cinema, who also would have been assaulted if they’d ‘disrespected’ them.

    Just part of living in a diverse city, eh Sadiq?

  6. @Jim
    ” Not being from the UK and not knowing that this was the time to keep their heads down,”
    One of the girls is Uraguaya. I know S.American girls. I live with them. They’re streetwise in a way N.American/ Euros often aren’t. Latino society’s heavily macho. Attractive girls getting attention in the public space is the default. They’re used to it. They know how to defuse the situation.
    My money’s on there was a tension between the girls. The Uraguaya’s doing what they do. Responding amiably but signalling no interest. The Yankette comes over as totally the other thing. Mouthy, in-your-face, aggressive preppy with a sense of entitlement a mile wide. So they’re handling it in different directions. Confusing signals.
    Doesn’t in the slightest excuse the assault, but like you say, it wasn’t intentionally homophobic. I wouldn’t be the least surprised if it was Miss America was the one first got physical, playing up in front of her buddy. Showing how liberated gurls confront the patriarchy. Counting on the white cuck cringe response. Got a slap for her pains from some guys don’t buy into white cuckness.

  7. Incidentally, the photos were published alongside their interviews following don’t show girls been in any sort of serious rumble. You’d expect facial bruising & swelling would last a day or two. I’ve seen the sort of damage our girls succeed on inflicting on each other. Fights aren’t Hollywood, photogenic grazes on the cheek affairs, disappear by the next scene.

  8. “My money’s on there was a tension between the girls. The Uraguaya’s doing what they do. Responding amiably but signalling no interest. The Yankette comes over as totally the other thing. Mouthy, in-your-face, aggressive preppy with a sense of entitlement a mile wide.”

    I wouldn’t say tension between them, more a different response to the provocation. I agree that the Yank was more likely to have mouthed off, and escalated the situation.

    All that being said, women are entitled to mouth off to crude sexual advances from scumbags, without being assaulted, regardless of being lesbian or straight. The fault for this event lies entirely with the diversity.

  9. We’ll get an insight soon enough. Self-defence is overwhelmingly the most commonly deployed defence in assault allegations.

  10. We’ll get an insight soon enough.

    I very much doubt it. Unless the assumptions about ethnicity of the young men are incorrect this is probably the last reporting we will see.

  11. “All that being said, women are entitled to mouth off.. ”

    No they’re not. Any more than men are. You do, there may be consequences. That’s the real world. The one we’re living in.

  12. There was a bloke didn’t learn that here, couple weeks ago. Got confrontational with a drunk in a club. Got his throat cut with a broken bottle for his pains.
    Dead doesn’t take much notice of right or wrong.

  13. “No they’re not. Any more than men are. You do, there may be consequences. ”

    Nonsense. Mouthing off is one thing, assaulting people is another. The former does not excuse the latter.

  14. Jim. Let me introduce you to the real world. It has nothing whatever to say about morals & a great deal to say about events. Mouthing off may get you assaulted. Or worse. This has nothing whatsoever to do with right or wrong.

    On this particular case: There were probably a couple of hundred similar incidents that night in London alone. Mostly the police won’t have been involved. Nor allegations of homophobic hate crimes slung about.. It’s just the world you live in. It ain’t a safe space. Never has been. Although, in the UK, it’s a lot worse than it was.
    In this case, the perpetrators may, miraculously, have been identified. And even more miraculously, the uselessly in uniform have opted to pursue it. That’s an anomaly, just in itself.

  15. Wasn’t it that the girls kissed and the youths then mouthed off about them doing it again and they refused at which point it escalated.
    Seem to recall one of the early reports, later changed, had a comment from one of the women that the other women wouldn’t let it go was being aggressively pushy/mouthy which ties into above comments.
    Fact is in real life you have to deescalate or withdraw from situations, nobody should be assaulted but people regularly are and sometimes you have to play safe not stand on your ‘rights’.

  16. Bloke in North Dorset

    Of course nobody should be assaulted, nobody should be mugged either, but walking trough certain places flashing expensive watches or wallets full of cash is still a stupid thing to do.

  17. “Mouthing off may get you assaulted. Or worse. This has nothing whatsoever to do with right or wrong.”

    It has everything to do with right and wrong. Assaulting people is wrong, end of. Regardless of whether someone mouthed off at you or not. Being a mouthy git may not be a wise life strategy for sure, but in moral terms it does not justify someone assaulting you.

    Maybe in your world being ‘disrespected’ verbally gives you the moral right to be violent in return, but in mine it doesn’t.

  18. @bis

    +1

    @Kevin

    We don’t know what the dykes did to provoke their assault as TfL/MET haven’t released CCTV which suggests guilt all round and hiding RoP aspect.

    Maybe the dykes spat at them, milkshaked them or even punched them.

    All “Part and parcel of living in London; the safest city in the world” – SadDick Khan‘t

  19. Jim, no one here has claimed any moral right of assault. Assailants have been identified, trials will be held, the scum will have ample free legal representation, and if all goes well effective punishment will be meted out. And we’re all good this that. I don’t think anyone here is planning a legal crusade for them. What probably does gall a lot of people, is the morality of police choosing to investigate crimes of assault based on how well it fits into the current hate crime narrative. The elderly assaulted by ‘yutes” equals crickets. The elderly mouthing off at obnoxious “yutes” and getting assaulted, not only crickets but probably snide comments from Guardian readers that you probably supported Brexit hence the attack was justified. But two younger women of the alleged lesbian persuasion mouth off at “yutes” and are assaulted, and suddenly the entire weight and resources of the state are brought to bear on the crime. That is the moral issue for a lot of people here. The morality that a small number of crimes against selected classes will be deemed to be worthy of investigation and prosecution, whereas a much larger number of crimes of equal or greater physical effects will be ignored. And if people dare notice the discrepancy, then suddenly accusations of condoning violent assault and not recognizing right or wrong get thrown around. If it were only a simple matter of right or wrong then we would see some uniformity of response from police – but we don’t. So when mouthy people (who probably despise you, your history and your country anyway – based on the interviews of the victims) get assaulted by “yutes”, it’s just as wrong but our sympathy is a little strained.

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