The Senior Lecturer’s not a democrat then

Will Boris Johnson go the country (as it now is) this autumn? My answer is yes for three reasons.

First, this will distract from preparation for no deal.

Second, if he wins he can blame the country for choosing no deal, and he likes blame shifting.

But if the country has chosen no deal isn’t that what the country should have?

25 thoughts on “The Senior Lecturer’s not a democrat then”

  1. The country has chosen No Deal. The country chose to Leave the EU. The deal bit was added on by Remainers intent on overturning the referendum result, in the expectation that the Evil Empire would make things so difficult as to lead to the whole thing being called off. Wrong, weren’t they?

  2. I’m not sure that they were wrong, years after the referendum we are still in the EU. I’m not going to believe until we have actually left.

  3. But if the country has chosen no deal isn’t that what the country should have?

    Not if it diminishes the likelihood of the Senior Lecturer in Political Economy at Islington Technical College from filling his boots when his grants finish.

    The electorate didn’t vote to “Leave with a deal”, that wasn’t on the referendum. In the Vote Leave campaign material (“5 Positive Reasons to Vote Leave”) there is mention of trade deals, but this includes with all countries, not just the EU.

    With hindsight the Vote Leave material is somewhat blasé in expecting the EU to negotiate in good faith (which I never considered likely), but as with any political manifesto, it strongly emphasises the pro’s over the con’s. The UK Government propaganda leaflet sent out to all UK highlights was similar in regard to the Remain issues, pushing the positive aspects of Remain.

    Quite why we should blame the Leave campaign for EU intransigence over the negotiations is beyond me.

  4. Fixed Parliament Act. Johnson cannot independently just ask the Queen for dissolution can he?

    Parliament has to agree a motion so early dissolution can take place.

    Corbyn does not seem too keen on a GE right now, nor do some Tory MPs want to face their constituents having lied to them last time.

  5. Fixed-term Act aside, a GE on Thursday, 31st October, would fill the gap between conference season and the big day quite nicely.

  6. Fixed-term Act aside, a GE on Thursday, 31st October, would fill the gap between conference season and the big day quite nicely.

    Nope. Still too much opportunity for fuckery by the treasonous forces of remain. In cahoots with the EU I could see a one-sided extension being granted and the legalities being ignored just to try and secure some sort of Remoaner win.

    Quite how they would achieve this I neither know nor care, but certainly don’t want to give them the opportunity to do so.

    I still don’t trust Boris enough not to fuck us over an deliver some warmed over bullshit like Treason May’s WA capitulation before October 31st.

    So let’s have a general election, sure, but only after BRExit is delivered and there is absolutely no way that the EU or treasonous remainders can resurrect it.

    I don’t like the Fixed Term Parliaments Act for lots of reasons, it was only required because Dave Cameron went into coalition with the LibDems and they were paranoid about being dumped half-way through. It needs to be repealed and the original rules restored.

    If a government cannot maintain it’s authority in Parliament then it should fall and all of the jiggery-pokery of the FTP Act doesn’t change that.

  7. “But if the country has chosen no deal isn’t that what the country should have?”

    Of course not, the voters are far too stupid to be able to decide anything as important as that. Unless they happen to vote the way the liberal establishment agree with, then of course its a massive democratic mandate than cannot be denied……………..

    I mean the leader of a major party has come out and baldly stated she does not agree with democracy, and would not accept the decision of the electorate to leave even if confirmed by a second referendum FFS. They aren’t exactly hiding their views any more, the question is what will we (the electorate) do about it? Vote out the actual fascists in our midst, regardless of their colour rosette, or blindly follow the rosette like donkeys?

  8. Like mr Galt, I wouldn’t trust Boris de Pfeffel Johnson as far as I could throw the fat cvnt. He’s a politician. You know he’s lying. Look! His lips are moving.
    And absent this current burst of manic enthusiasm, WTF’s changed? A majority of MPs are agin a clean Leave or Leave at all. A much smaller minority in favour of a no-deal exit. What did change was back at the Euro-elections. Farage’s BP. Tory & Labour Leave voters have somewhere to go in the event of a GE & could decimate the major parties by going there. So the incumbents won’t fancy risking their seats by pushing for one. My money’s on a WA 2.0.Same thing but different wrapping.

  9. “And absent this current burst of manic enthusiasm, WTF’s changed?”

    You have someone at the top who is at least making the right noises, and has nailed his flag to the mast of leaving on the 31st come what may. Which makes a huge difference, given the law of the land says we leave on the 31st Oct unless something else happens. So we now have 2 parts of the power nexus on our side – the existing law, and the Executive who have considerable power to make that law come into force. Yes Parliament can still stymie leaving, but its considerably harder now the Executive are set on doing just that. Not only all that but there’s limited time for there to be any election beforehand, so the chances of the current government being voted out before the 31st is rapidly receding.

    I still say there will be a negotiated ‘deal’ with the EU, at the last minute when the reality of us being ready to leave without one dawns on them. Which of course is the strategy that should have been employed from day 1: prepare to leave with no deal, and let the other side stew, and do a deal if a good one is offered.

  10. John Galt: technically, the previous rules before the Fixed Term Parliament Act cannot be restored, as we are a Common Law juristiction.
    Before the FTPA there was no law specifiying how Parliament could be dissolved before its term ran out, so it devolved to Common Law, which meant that the Crown’s first minister used the Crown’s perogative to do it whenever they liked. When you legislate to change Common Law into Statute Law you irreversibly abolish that Common Law. Revoking the FTPA won’t take us back to the previous rules, as the previous rules was “there ain’t any rules”. The only option now is to revoke the codification of the FTPA by *replacing* it with an alternative codification in a replacement act.
    You’d need a Blairist majority to push through an Act that said “Parliament can be dissolved at any time by the Prime Minister”.

  11. @Kevin

    +1

    Remember the little book Cameron Gov’t sent everyone?

    – Project Fear Issue One

    If you vote Leave it means we leave the single market, customs union, ECJ…. and there will be an instant recession with job losses, tax rises…and WWIII

    Voters: OK, thanks for warning us, we don’t care and want to Leave EU now

  12. @jgh

    Revoking the FTPA won’t take us back to the previous rules, as the previous rules was “there ain’t any rules”. The only option now is to revoke the codification of the FTPA by *replacing* it

    Not following your logic, why is simply revoking not possible?

  13. Either a positive vote to end parliament – which I think requires a two thirds majority – OR a lost vote of no confidence in the government.

    Then there can be an election.

  14. Pcar at 7.26pm, well put, if I may say so.

    As to your 7.28pm comment, revocation is possible. It need not even be explicit. Contradictory will suffice. IIRC, and I’m not a consti lawyer, it’s called the doctrine of implied repeal. No parliament, you see, can bind its successors.

    jgh’s point, I think, and I think he’s probably right, is that once the gentle custom of the common law is overridden by Parliament, then that same common law can no longer exist in that same, precise way. It’s become parliament’s afternoon snack. Because Parliament is sovereign (notwithstanding constitutional pretzel twisting from Factortame onwards) and can, if it wishes, and it probably should, just for the grins, legislate to ban smoking on the streets of Paris.

  15. PS, Lord Justice Laws in his ingenious judgment in the Thoburn (metric martyr) case, made up something he called ‘constitutional statutes’.

    His Ludship’s made-up idea was that some acts of Parliament were more equal than others.

    It was all bollocks but, to be fair to him, he had to square an impossible circle.

  16. Bloke in North Dorset

    Andy C,

    Either a positive vote to end parliament – which I think requires a two thirds majority – OR a lost vote of no confidence in the government.

    Then there can be an election.

    AIUI if its a no confidence vote there’s a 14 day period while other’s get the chance to form a government with confidence. This is the basis of the fantasy that a government of national unity can be formed under someone like Keir Starmer to block no deal.

    If Boris turns to Jezza and says “I’ll see you at the polls, unless you’re frit?” then Boris can go straight to HMQ to ask for dissolution.

  17. @John Galt

    The composition of the new Cabinet

    There has been much misleading comment masquerading as analysis about the nature of the new Cabinet.

    There are just two members who voted against the Withdrawal Agreement on all three occasions it came forward, and three who voted against it on two of the three occasions.

    There are fourteen who voted Remain plus the Chief Whip.

    The big majority of the Cabinet supported Mrs May’s Withdrawal Agreement, and some were particularly vocal in urging others to do so.

    Agree. All the Con MPs who voted against May’s Surrender Treaty every time should now be ministers and Owen Patterson back in cabinet.

    .
    Steve Baker rejects Boris Johnson’s offer of his old ‘powerless’ job as Brexit Minister

    Boris Johnson’s attempts to lock in the support of hardline Tory Eurosceptics suffered a serious blow last night after one of the most senior Brexiteer MPs angrily turned down a ministerial role.

    In the first rift between the new prime minister and the faction that backed him for the leadership, Steve Baker told Mr Johnson that a job in the Brexit department would have left him “powerless”.

    Tory Eurosceptics accused Mr Johnson of “binning off” the European Research Group of Brexiteers now that he was in power. They blamed Dominic Cummings, the former head of Vote Leave, who has been appointed the most senior adviser in Downing Street.

    Mr Cummings has made little secret of his disdain for some members of the ERG, describing them as a “narcissist delusional subset” and a “metastasising tumour” that needs to be “excised”.

    The row highlights the fragility of Mr Johnson’s grip over the Conservative Party and parliament. With a majority of only two his allies believe it is increasingly likely that there will be a general election.

    In a warning shot Mr Baker, 48, said on Twitter after rejecting the job that “disaster awaits us” unless Britain left the EU on October 31.

    Kit Malthouse, the Home Office minister, nevertheless sought to play down Mr Baker’s reaction, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Steve has said he has full confidence in Boris to deliver.”

    One Eurosceptic Tory MP said: “Steve has been badly treated, this smacks of poor man-management. Arguably without Steve Baker we would already have signed the withdrawal agreement, we would be trapped in the backstop for ever and Theresa May would still be prime minister. Some people clearly have short memories.”

    In his first statement to the Commons as prime minister Mr Johnson offered his vision of post-Brexit Britain, which he said could enter a golden age and become the most prosperous country in Europe.

    He also clashed with Brussels after saying that he would start talks on a new deal only if the EU agreed to the abolition of the Irish backstop. He underlined the point later in a call with Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission.

    Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, told European governments that the demand was unacceptable, implying that the prime minister was bluffing.

    In his confidential diplomatic note, leaked almost as soon as it was sent, Mr Barnier said that he would not open any negotiations based on the Brexit terms set out in Mr Johnson’s speech to MPs.

    “Johnson has asserted that if an agreement is to be reached it goes by way of eliminating the backstop. This is of course unacceptable and not within the mandate of the European Council,” he wrote, referring to guidelines set by EU leaders.

    Mr Baker previously served as a Brexit minister under Theresa May but quit after accusing her of rendering the department a “Potemkin structure” by handing control of Brexit negotiations to the Cabinet Office.

    As deputy chairman of the ERG he was one of 28 Eurosceptics, described as Brexit “Spartans”, who refused to back Mrs May’s deal. Mr Johnson and other critics backed the deal the third time that it went to the Commons.

    Mr Baker was an early supporter of Mr Johnson and had hoped for a significant role in shaping Brexit. However, Mr Johnson stripped the Brexit department of the no-deal prepar- ations and handed them to Michael Gove in the Cabinet Office. Mr Baker was left waiting for nearly an hour by Mr Johnson before he was told that he was being offered only a return to the Brexit department, which he declined.

    Mr Baker said: “With regret, I have turned down a ministerial job. I cannot repeat my experience of powerlessness as a junior Brexit minister with the work done in Cabinet Office.

    “I have total confidence in Boris Johnson to take us out of the EU by 31 Oct. Disaster awaits us otherwise.” Another Tory MP said: “This is typical of the way the ERG has been treated. Anybody who is in the ERG has been binned off. Steve has been treated terribly.”

    Other allies of Mr Johnson were promoted yesterday. Conor Burns became a junior minister at the Department for International Trade, Kit Malthouse became a Home Office minister and Nigel Adams became a culture minister. More backers of Mr Hunt, including Stephen Hammond and Harriett Baldwin, were sacked.
    © Times Newspapers Limited 2019.

  18. Edward & John Galt: Common Law is that law that is not legislated for. Once you legislate something it is no longer not legislated for. You can’t wave a wand and make something not legislated for once it has been legislated for any more than you can make somebody never have eaten an apple.

  19. New cabinet minister Rishi Sunak tells Sophy Ridge preparations are being made for a no-deal Brexit – and Britain has to be prepared to walk away.

    Meanwhile “Liberal” “Democrat” – as in GDR, DPRK

    The new leader Jo “Look at my baby” Swinson screeches to Sophy Ridge there’s not a big enough majority in this country for Brexit – and we need to put the issue back to the people. Then ignore them if the people vote Leave again.

    Hmm, not much point putting the issue back to the people if their decision Will Be Ignored


  20. Over in La Lab Land
    Corbyn says he’s ready to fight Boris at the ballot box

    After all that, some Humour

    Meat Eater Goes Vegan For Two Weeks and Farmer points out there would be no cows, sheep, animals in fields if we didn’t eat them – vegans want sheep etc to be extinct

  21. dont blame Baker at all for holding out. He deserved his own department in Cabinet for his sterling work on Brexit and BoJo got it wrong to try and fob him off.

  22. Barnier should be put in the stocks.
    He demands, as part of a Brexit deal, that control of Gibraltar, not even in the EU, should be handed over to sSpain although 96% of Gibraltarians vote to remain British so his idea is totall contrary to the UN Charter

  23. @jgh July 28, 2019 at 11:36 pm

    Apples are not oranges.

    What is the Law which states “Laws Can Not Be Revoked/Abolished, only Replaced”?

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    @Kevin

    +1 Johnson should have offered him a better job (DCMS Sec which he gave to useless Remoaner Nicky Morgan), but Baker shouldn’t have been so petulant.

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    @John

    Vast majority of EU employees/officials should be in stocks in Molenbeek, Brussels

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