Great Speaks!

“If no-one else has succeeded, I’m not that special. I can’t convince everyone, so instead of speaking to me and to the school striking children and teenagers, he should be talking to actual scientists and experts in this area,” she said.

On climate sceptics, she added: “There’s always going to be people who don’t understand or accept the united science, and I will just ignore them, as I’m only acting and communicating on the science.”

Well, yes, like every economist ever on the subject……

46 thoughts on “Great Speaks!”

  1. Actually, it is people who have examined the scientific arguments for themselves, rather than just taking the word of experts, who don’t believe that there is a crisis. Climate scientists often break ranks and start to tell the truth after they retire.

  2. united science

    the science.

    It is exactly this kind of thinking that started making me sceptical of the whole damn thing. People in one breath telling you that science is “using the scientific method to attempt to disprove hypotheses” and then, in the very next breath, say “the Science(!) (noun) is settled!” “Unified!” “Unquestionable!”

  3. @decnine… Probably not.

    More likely is that her “carbon neutral” voyage will be covered in its entirety by a fleet of press/spotter ‘planes and a couple of diesel-powered support boats (carefully kept out of camera range).

  4. Apparently there’s a cameraman going with them. Whether he has a satphone to send it back for our enlightenment I dunno. I suspect watching Greta projectiling at both ends will not make its way onto our TV screens.

  5. She is not capable of evaluating the science, she has chosen to believe activist scientists. There are plenty of other scientists who do not believe that humans are significantly affecting the climate, but her poorly educated mind is not capable of assessing the competing arguments. She, like all the climate activists, dearly want there to be a crisis, without one they’d have to find something else to give their lives meaning. It is just a shame for rest of us that this particular fake emergency is so damn expensive and beginning to intrude on our freedom.

  6. I have repeatedly pointed out that if you are a seal, you WANT the ice gone if that gets rid of polar bears or reduces their numbers.

    Same goes with all endangered carnivores. If you are something those carnivores eat, you want to see the back of them.

    Think of the seals! Think of the Arctic hares!

    How so-called environmentalists can stand by and watch innocent baby seals and hares ripped apart by polar bears, I just don’t know.

    Also, rising sea levels will provide more sea for marine life. How can these environmentalists be so arrogant as to think that they and other land animals should have priority over sea life? If I were a cod, I’d want sea levels 50 foot higher.

  7. When I went to Greggs for my regular bacon roll this morning, there was a middle aged man in the shop ahead of me in the queue with, I assume, his mum. He suddenly started to bark and howl like a dog – probably Tourette’s. After a while of barking he had the decency to leave the shop to leave the rest of us in peace while his mum got the order.

    Reading this made me think of the difference in the consideration he showed to others and St Greta’s approach.

  8. @BF
    I’ve always thought of Greggs as being the furthest point on the bakery continuum from a French boulangerie/patisserie it’s possible to get without falling off the edge. WTF is ‘tiger bread’? Is it made with real tiger?

  9. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    BiS

    Tsk.

    They stopped that sort of thing years ago. Nowadays it is made with special eco-friendly tiger substitute, made of ground rhino horn.

  10. For what it’s worth, I started out believing what I was hearing, on the grounds that science has its basis in the concepts of positivism, cause and effect (i.e. not the capriciousness of gods) and a method in which ideas are rigorously tested. Once disproved, and idea is – or should be – discarded, as there is, outside of mathematics, no way of making conclusive proof. What science does is to advance from a hypothesis to a theory when it is found to fit and explain the facts.
    A theory in science is not just someone’s ‘hunch’, it is something that is proved to have predictive ability, is widely accepted and NEVER p[roved wrong. It’s well known in science that correlation is not causation, but for causation you must have correlation, so the adage should be ‘correlation is not causation ON ITS OWN’
    The Global warming scare is based on a loose hypothesis, and has been disproved numerous times. Temperatures do not correlate well with CO2, and that should be enough to consign the concept to the dustbin. Many of the things that are described as being the result of Global Warming are actually the result of something else (I have investigated several), and the whole area is a minefield of political dogma, stupid and gullible people, lack of criticism or test, ‘woe is me, the end of the world is nigh’ catastrophism, and outright fraud.
    In my view, someone should institute a test: “Predict this in 10 years time and if it doesn’t happen, we’ll have no more of this crap” – the same with Brexit. Let the doomsayers make a prediction, and if it hasn’t happened by the due date, then STFU.
    The issues are packed with post hoc rationalisations of why the end didn’t happen.

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    Today, she told The Telegraph that she didn’t believe that President Trump would listen to her.

    “If no-one else has succeeded, I’m not that special. I can’t convince everyone, so instead of speaking to me and to the school striking children and teenagers, he should be talking to actual scientists and experts in this area,” she said.

    Trump has access to the top scientists on the subject, how many papers has she published?

    While the transatlantic crossing will be a test of endurance, Thunberg has faced many personal challenges already in her short life. Diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, obsessive–compulsive disorder, and selective mutism, the teenager suffered from depression earlier in her childhood.

    “I’ve had my fair share of depressions, alienation, anxiety and disorders,” she wrote on Facebook recently.

    When do the child abuse investigations start?

    I read elsewhere she says she’ll deal with sea sickness. Sea sickness comes in many forms but I hope for her sake she doesn’t get a bad case. I’m lucky but I have sailed with people who have been bad and they vouch for the description that in the penultimate state you think you’re dying, in the final stage you hope you die. On the other hand I hope her father, minders and assorted hangers-on who are abusing her get the worst case going.

  12. I’m surprised she chose to a take & boat & didn’t walk across. By all reports, that would be well within her powers..

  13. BiS

    I agree with you. Most of Greggs stuff is not good.

    But what they do well, they do very well and that’s what I stick to. I would not expect a fancy pastry fruit tart from them.

    A bacon roll and a latte (sorry Ecks) for £2.10 is hard to beat and the bacon roll beats the crap out of anything the Frogs would offer. Ditto for their pastry sausage rolls.

    What am I going to get in a Frog shop or cafe – a fvcking cotton wool baguette filled with rubbery lardons, saucisson sec or parma or serrano ham, each costing north of € 6 – 8?

  14. I’ve always thought of Greggs as being the furthest point on the bakery continuum from a French boulangerie/patisserie it’s possible to get without falling off the edge.

    It certainly is, as Greggs don’t even make bread any more.

  15. Meanwhile, I’m baffled by McDonald’s endless advertising campaign for their new bacon roll which consists of 3 rashers of bacon and a roll.

    McDonald’s kitchen experts been working on that one for a long time, I guess.

  16. BiND

    and selective mutism

    Clearly not selective enough. She never shuts up.
    Re the sea sickness. I’ve had the end-stage, kill me now a few times. It really did feel that bad. Sharing a cabin on a cross-channel ferry with 3 kids in the same state was not fun. Even less for Mrs J who was nursemaid to us all!

  17. I hope her journey’s fucking awful and the boat breaks down and has to be rescued by an oil tanker (or maybe whaler) forced into a 500 mile diversion.

  18. @BiND… As a serious, but now retired, offshore sailor I have seen evidence that there are now some incredibly effective treatments for motion-sickness…

    A friend, who could be violently ill just watching “The Cruel Sea” on television found himself able to cook bacon in a 40-foot boat in a force 8 gale without any problems at all thanks to one of them – called “Scopoderm TTS”. It’s like a little cornplaster that you stick on the bare skin just behind your left lughole, it’s based upon the old WW2 “truth drug” Scopolamine – though whether you are incapable of telling porkies whilst under the influence thereof, I dunno. Maybe it’s use would let us find out if St Greta really can see CO2…

    Thus, if treated correctly, the young lady, with luck will not puke herself to a standstill. Though she may find the living-conditions on a 20m racing boat a tad primitive and lacking in privacy. Not, I would guess, ideal conditions for a kid with her declared psychological problems.

  19. “Climate scientists often break ranks and start to tell the truth after they retire”

    And some who have told the truth whilst still working find themselves retiring (unpaid) rather sooner than they expected.

    “The Science is Settled”

    Whenever I hear this tired old crap spouted, I’m minded to ask if they were using iPhones 20 years ago, or had a mobile phone (of any sort) 30 years ago. I’ve also been reflecting on the (lack of) technology present in the Mk1 Mini in which I learned to drive during the early 70’s.

    “For what it’s worth, I started out believing what I was hearing”

    Same here – I watched Al Bores “Inconvenient Truth” and was horrified. I looked on Google Earth, and sure enough the abrupt change in land use he pointed out in parts of South America was clearly visible. Then, shortly afterwards, The 1st iteration of “Climate Gate” hit the internet, and I (like many others) downloaded a copy of the files. Most was well over my head, but the bits that were clear (including the famous “Harry, Read Me” text file) made it plain that something was going on. Once the emails had been indexed and posted, anyone who claimed that “Scientists were beyond approach” was obviously part of the scam.

  20. @Jimmers… Try Scopoderm, it’s prescription-only so you’ll need a scrip from your GP. It really is astonishingly effective. One plaster works for 2 to 3 days.

  21. Rob. Did they ever?

    And they were certainly selling stuff could loosely be described as bread in Greggs – Haywards Heath when I spent some time in the UK after living in France. Where I spotted the mysterious ‘tiger’. I have a photographer mate who has worked on photographing food products for advertising. He tells me that a lot of what you’re looking at in these photos is not food at all. Because certain things don’t photograph well. So they use other materials as substitutes. Shaving foam, tubes of art paint, plastic replicas etc. Greggs seems to have taken things a stage further & is selling the studio mock-ups. For proof I would give you their eclairs.

  22. She, like all the climate activists, dearly want there to be a crisis, without one they’d have to find something else to give their lives meaning. It is just a shame for rest of us that this particular fake emergency is so damn expensive and beginning to intrude on our freedom.

    Docbud, well articulated.

  23. I became a climate sceptic by a simple route. I read some of the early papers. Most of them (really, most) turned out to have been written by people less qualified to write them than I was. They were less qualified both by expertise and by being – how shall I put this? – a bunch of duds.

    As far as I could tell, though, they may have been honest – they really might have, I think, persuaded themselves. It was later that the fraud set in, partly, I expect, to disguise the incompetence of the earlier work.

    The main exception to my knowing more was writing on climate history about which I didn’t know anything much beyond the “as every schoolboy knows” level. But there had been good stuff written before the Great Climate Fraud started, e.g. by Gordon Manley, and that helped me considerably.

    Another area where I needed help soon arose: the use of “climate proxies”. Here the blogs of Steve McIntyre (Sir Steve, as I think of him) and Anthony Watts were a great help. Recently I’ve become a fan of Paul Homewood’s blog.

    https://climateaudit.org/about/
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/about2/
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/about/

  24. DocBud, I’m with PF too. Climate change belief is becoming more and more like a religion. Veganism is another one.

  25. Thing that makes me doubt climate change is that I’ve yet to personally see any of it.
    Mentioned this before. I’m sitting beside what should be a bloody great amplifier of any effects of climate change. A vast almost landlocked sea takes the run-off from enormous areas of Europe, Asia & Africa. Connected to the Atlantic through the minuscule Straits of Gibraltar.a few miles wild. You should see something. Yet sea levels are where they were in Roman times & the currents through the Straits what they’ve always been. Unless the various effects of climate change are somehow all miraculously cancelling each other out to preserve equilibrium, it has to be bollocks.

  26. She, like all the climate activists, dearly want there to be a crisis, without one they’d have to find something else to give their lives meaning.

    It would be THE GREAT OBESITY CRISIS, or gambling, or any one of a hundred, really. There are a huge number of intellectual scams being run by middle-class puritans at the moment, they’ve never had such choice.

    The cause is just the uniform, though – the impulse behind each is always the same, and always has been.

  27. My scepticism comes from two sources, really:

    1. The refusal of Mann et all to release their primary data and how they worked out their findings, so that others could replicate. Basic science denied there, what are they hiding? Their claims that it is private property is balls – if you want to influence government policy to such an extent that entire societies must be changed, your ‘private property rights’ over the data are irrelevant.

    Personally, I would make it law that no scientific paper can influence government policy until it demonstrates that everything required to replicate it (or refute it) is available to anyone.

    2. The fact that the Left are all over it. It doesn’t undermine science per se, but its a red flag.

  28. The surface temperature data is heavily compromised as demonstrated by Tony Heller and Anthony Watts. Data from poorly-sited stations with Urban Heat Island effects is homogenised with good data from rural sites. The adjusted data on the rural sites then shows spurious warming. It is interesting to note that Bob Tisdale’s mammoth analysis of the raw US Historical Climate Record (the most long-standing and complete record in the world for such a large area) shows maximum temps have fallen but minimums have risen more – so the warming is at night – this fits with UHI as urban growth affects temp stations. The satellite record, of course, is not scary enough.

  29. The more unpleasant St Greta of Thunderbirds journey is the better, might bang some sense into her.

    I suspect fakery will triumph – she’ll spend most of her time on a large oil powered support vessel and be helicoptered over or blue-screened for some exciting video clips.

    BBC & C4 news already full of blue-screened “live at… ” interviews/reports – do they believe nobody can see it’s faked?

    Al-Beeb even faked Chris Evan’s Top Gear track driving – blindingly obvious he was “driving” a car on a trailer.

  30. Haven’t the poor child’s minders screwed up on this one?

    OK, she makes it across on the nice shiny yacht, great. Maybe she even makes it back to Europe the same way?

    But subsequently? The next time she takes a plane or similar in the future, or otherwise consumes CO2, this current charade will come back and bite, again and again – her hypocrisy will never be allowed to be forgotten?

  31. The next time she takes a plane or similar in the future, or otherwise consumes CO2, this current charade will come back and bite, again and again – her hypocrisy will never be allowed to be forgotten?

    It ought to, but probably won’t. It’s no longer about what you do, it’s about who you are and which side you’re on. She’ll be given a free pass.

  32. Bloke in North Dorset

    A nod to the Baron’s greater experience.

    Meanwhile the 5 x crew that are bring the boat back are flying to NY. Apparently their CO2 doesn’t get set against Greta’s budget.

  33. Does anyone know whether Gail is going to the US? Could be that she’s moving on from this scam on to a new one as I think Greta has peaked.

  34. ‘The cause is just the uniform, though – the impulse behind each is always the same, and always has been.’

    Cynical me thinks that most of them are about the campaigners, not the alleged cause.

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