O, Rightie Ho. Hmm? Ah, Yes, Sorry, Rightie Ho M’LudAugust 11, 2019 Tim WorstallGovernment Lies33 CommentsHeseltine: imposing no-deal Brexit ‘intolerable’ attack on democracy previousYou what?nextThis has been true all along 33 thoughts on “O, Rightie Ho. Hmm? Ah, Yes, Sorry, Rightie Ho M’Lud” John Galt August 11, 2019 at 4:29 pm Heseltine: Doing what I don’t want is an ‘intolerable’ attack on democracy Of course it is Tarzan. We, the 17.4 million majority that voted overwhelmingly in favour of BRExit didn’t vote to “Leave with a deal”* we voted to “Leave the EU”. In light of which, I refer his lordship to the reply given in Arkell and Pressdram. * – or a document of capitulation as Treason May’s WA actually is) dearieme August 11, 2019 at 4:36 pm Long ago my wife met an chap who had been at school with Heseltine’s father. The old fellow told an anecdote about the father’s plagiarism, ending with the summary “so you see he was a crook too”. Steve August 11, 2019 at 4:40 pm Where’s Dr Shipman when you need him? bloke in spain August 11, 2019 at 4:46 pm “The Conservatives will lose significant votes to the Liberal Democrats or other remain parties if they force through a no-deal Brexit against the will of parliament, the party stalwart Michael Heseltine has warned.” And they face electoral annihilation by the Brexit Party if they don’t deliver Brexit before the next GE. That’s democracy Andrew C August 11, 2019 at 4:46 pm Lost all respect for Heseltine watching the Thatcher documentary. Ok, he disagreed with her over Europe. But she made post war UK and she made him. Criticising her after she is dead on the way he did. Cowardly cunt. Bloke in North Dorset August 11, 2019 at 5:40 pm I suppose its only going to get worse as we close in on 31 October: The Green MP, Caroline Lucas, has thrown down the gauntlet to 10 high-profile female politicians over blocking a no-deal Brexit, proposing a cabinet of national unity including Labour’s Emily Thornberry, the Liberal Democrat leader, Jo Swinson, and the former Conservative cabinet minister Justine Greening to seek legislation for a fresh referendum. The scraping noise you can hear is the sound of outstretched hands desperately reaching for straws. Steve August 11, 2019 at 5:53 pm BiND – I’m pretty sure that Caroline Lucas and her grinchy little face and her man-repelling Mum hair and her witchie woo tree-humping ladybollocks explains why James I was so enthusiastic about burning venomous old hags at the stake. (Don’t worry, they’re a renewable resource) John Galt August 11, 2019 at 5:59 pm The Green Party – “Communism for Middle Class Women”™ Kevin Lohse August 11, 2019 at 6:31 pm Hezza probably means that a Brexit on WTO terms is an intolerable attack on his CAP subsidies. Rob August 11, 2019 at 6:53 pm See, the media can be friendly to Tories at times. All this talk of bias is nonsense! Agammamon August 11, 2019 at 6:55 pm “Imposing a no-deal departure without MPs’ consent . . . ” Its amazing how often ‘respecting democracy’ comes down to people doing what people in power want. John Galt August 11, 2019 at 6:59 pm Its amazing how often ‘respecting democracy’ comes down to people doing what people in power want. Dominic Grieve is in power….? Bloke in Germany August 11, 2019 at 7:21 pm Bis, Isn’t the point in that that what ever the outcome, the Europe issue has basically destroyed the conservative party? The referendum that was supposed to end the Tory intwrnecine fighting has ended up destroying the party. Brexit is to the Tories what Irish home rule was to the liberals. Pcar August 11, 2019 at 7:33 pm Lord Heseltine: No deal Brexit a ‘grotesque act of national self-harm’ – Sophy Ridge on Sunday He attacks Dominic Cummings too 20 May 2019 – The veteran Conservative politician Lord Heseltine has had the whip removed after saying he will vote for the Lib Dems in Thursday’s EU Election Keeps banging on about MPs said “didn’t want no deal” – of course they did, nobody honest enters a negotiation wanting no deal; doesn’t mean a deal must be made. Shut up, your views are no more important than anyone else’s. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIJLimmJPWoIs the UK heading for a recession? – Sophy Ridge on Sunday While we remain in uncertainty and sclerotic EU – probably john 77 August 11, 2019 at 8:01 pm Who has imposed a “No Deal” Brexit? Certainly not Theresa May! Oh yes: it was Gina Miller. Recusant August 11, 2019 at 8:08 pm John77 “Oh yes: it was Gina Miller” It’s enough to make you laugh. It, no deal, should be called Gina Miller’s Deal. Jim August 11, 2019 at 8:27 pm “Isn’t the point in that that what ever the outcome, the Europe issue has basically destroyed the conservative party? The referendum that was supposed to end the Tory intwrnecine fighting has ended up destroying the party.” No, its just smoked out of the Tory party all those MPs who were not conservative at all, and would be more at home in the other political parties. Contrary to the usual suspects opinion, No Deal has a considerable following in the country, if not Parliament, and thus a Tory Party shorn of its Tory in Name Only MPs stands a good chance of doing pretty well at the ballot box. Mr Ecks August 11, 2019 at 8:43 pm Heseltine is scum. It is a very likely cosmic injustice that he will go to his grave without having the treason and arrogance “removed” from him. Bloke in North Dorset August 11, 2019 at 8:48 pm This claim that MPs didn’t vote for no-deal is really pissing me off. This is how parliament voted: MPs have voted by a majority of 384 to allow Prime Minister Theresa May to get Brexit negotiations under way. They backed the government’s European Union Bill, supported by the Labour leadership, by 498 votes to 114. I’d say that’s overwhelming. This is what they voted for: 1 Notification of the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the European Union (1) Her Majesty’s Government has a duty to notify the European Council by 31 March 2017 of the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the European Union. (2) The notification must meet the terms of Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union. 2 Short title, commencement and extent (1)This Act may be cited as the Withdrawal from the European Union (Article 50) Act 2017. (2) The Act shall come into force on the day on which it receives Royal Assent. (3) This Act extends to England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. It doesn’t state anywhere that the government has to negotiate a deal, let alone mention what a deal should look like. I’m not going to quote A50 here, its too long, but from my reading it doesn’t say anything about having a deal nor what a deal should look like. Parliament has steadfastly refused to approve a deal that was negotiated, refused to say what a deal should look like or come up with any other positive position. Its almost like MPs didn’t know what they were voting for! From now on I shall refute all assertions that MPs didn’t vote for “no deal” thus: show me where it says that in the Bill. Steve August 11, 2019 at 9:21 pm The referendum that was supposed to end the Tory intwrnecine fighting has ended up destroying the party. Let’s hope so, eh? When the European Communities Act 1972 is ashes, the assorted expenses-fiddlers, internet porn bansturbators, eco-mountebanks, feminists and Global Migration Pact signers have my permission to fuck off permanently. Edward Lud August 11, 2019 at 9:37 pm Heseltine is like Ted Heath’s loucher, more angry younger brother. When he dies, which will probably be quite soon, I hope, there’ll be no State funeral. Imagine it. Fifty years of hustling, for nothing. He’ll be lucky to be a footnote. Turd. A British McCain. I bet his piles hate him. The only downside is, he’ll always be warm where he’s going. Bloke in North Dorset August 11, 2019 at 10:07 pm What’s the opposite of Chesterton’s Fence ie building a fence without considering exactly what you’re stopping? Strikingly, some constitutional scholars argue that there is nothing in law that precludes this course of action. They note that the Fixed Term Parliaments Act (FTPA) that provides for such confidence votes is silent on the actions a prime minister should take in such circumstances. Downing Street, in the form of Dominic Cummings, is seeking to fill that silence with the noisy suggestion that Prime Minister Johnson would just sit tight, effectively daring the Queen to take a genuinely unprecedented role in politics by sacking him and inviting someone else to form a government. Bloke in North Dorset August 11, 2019 at 10:12 pm Just as I hit post the BBC news announced: “Is the government preparing to call a snap election?” No it isn’t you fucking morons, that was the point of the FTPA. Pcar August 11, 2019 at 10:15 pm @BiND It seems sexism is now acceptable in some elements of the pro-EU/anti-Brexit camp, with little or no negative comment from the Guardian. Imagine the furore (quite rightly) if a male politician had suggested an all-male cabinet to solve the impasse, or worse still, if some white supremacist had suggested an all-white Cabinet was the solution. But calls for an all-woman Cabinet are fine, apparently: “Caroline Lucas calls for emergency female cabinet to block no-deal Brexit Green MP urges 10 top female politicians to form cabinet of national unity to deliver fresh referendum” I oppose discrimination of all kinds wherever I see it, and that includes opposing positive discrimination, which is also wrong-headed and unfair. . Caroline Lucas on QT: “I don’t care if rich people leave UK because of high taxes, we don’t want them here.” 50% of £0 is better than 40% of £1,000,000 in her bitter, spiteful world Pcar August 11, 2019 at 10:21 pm @BiND August 11, 2019 at 8:48 pm +1 Steve August 11, 2019 at 10:48 pm BiND – Extraordinary stuff from Kirkup: The fire that David Cameron so casually lit in 2016 has burned through many things that seemed like fixtures of British national life. Judicial independence; the Civil Service and the Bank of England; the Union; the Conservative party’s faith in institutions; basic standards of journalism; and parliament itself: all have been pushed towards the the flames by By whom, you may ask? By faithless MP’s, who got elected on pro-Brexit manifestos and then did everything possible to stop us leaving the EU in any meaningful way? By civil servants colluding with the EU during Mrs May’s surrender negotiations? By unaccountable Canadian bankers who’ve taken it on themselves to tell us how we should not run our country? By the British media, which shat its collective trousers over imaginary Russian propaganda while publishing the most risible anti-British propaganda, terrorising old ladies into thinking their medicines will be stopped and whatnot? by chanting members of the Brexit death-cult. Are you aving a laugh? So it should be no great surprise that we’ve reached the stage where it is said that the Prime Minister of the day is prepared to set aside pretty much the most fundamental principle of representative democracy in the name of the precious Brexit. What principle is that? That politicians should do what we tell them? That manifesto commitments should be implemented? That political decisions should be based on popular consent? Lol, no: that in the event that the government loses a confidence vote in parliament before Britain has left the EU, Boris Johnson would simply refuse to resign as Prime Minister and cling to office until the automatic conveyor-belt of law had carried Britain out of the EU on October 31st. So the “most fundamental principle of representative democracy” at stake here is the principle that conservatives (small c) are supposed to be noble losers. And God knows, they’ve had enough practice at that since 1990. Never mind the constitutional skullfuckery of Bercow, Grieve, Letwin and co. Boris is supposed to give treacherous, lying MP’s a free pass at cancelling Brexit and his government because – well, because! It’s the principle, innit? The rest is mostly insipid twatwaffle, but I’m amused that Kirkup could type this with a straight (albeit foetal alcohol syndrome) face: Britain, like all democracies, relies in large part on conventions, shared understandings about things that must happen under certain circumstances. Won’t SOMEBODY please think of the conventions? Jamie’s jizz-encrusted bowtie is twirling with indignation! But here’s a timely reminder of why conservatives have been losing for a generation: the notion that Prime Minister Boris Johnson could simply ignore outright parliamentary defeat and insist on retaining executive power: what will you do when Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn does the same thing? Imagine being paid – paid! – to write about politics and believing that the Left does now or has ever let mere “convention” stop it from doing whatever it wants. No wonder Blair was always grinning. Kirkup should definitely get a Brazilian, because he’s an utter fanny. PF August 12, 2019 at 10:53 am “The rest is mostly insipid twatwaffle, but I’m amused that Kirkup could type this with a straight (albeit foetal alcohol syndrome) face:” He’s not descended yet as far as Matthew Parris, but his Speccy pieces have looked to be heading in that direction… Bloke on M4 August 12, 2019 at 10:54 am What Jim said. The fact is that the quiche-eating end of the Conservatives have been pretty rubbish. None of them matched even the worst majority that Mrs Thatch got. Chasing the people who want to hug a hoodie or take more taxes never works because the Lib Dems are always bigger milquetoasts and Labour burn more money. And the robust tories leave and vote UKIP. The soft right thought Cameron was great but he couldn’t get a resounding victory over Brown. John Galt August 12, 2019 at 11:48 am The soft right thought Cameron was great but he couldn’t get a resounding victory over Brown. Which is as damning a condemnation of Cameron as you’ll ever need. If you can’t win a Tory landslide after the one-eyed Viking then you don’t even deserve the name “Tory”. However, this played against him in 2015. He thought he’d get another minority so that he could play houseshare with the LibDems for another term and blame them for not having the promised EU referendum. He must have been gutted when he learned he’d won 2015 with a majority. The problem is that mentality has infested the Tories, which is why they are completely disconnected from their base. Time for Boris to empower a bit of electoral honest in the local constituencies and let Grieve, Hammond and the rest of the traitors of the “continuity Remain” campaign FEEL THE BURN! A post-BRExit General Election is going to be a surprise defeat for those Tory Remainers who haven’t been deselected. Hopefully losing their seat at the next GE will be as surprising for them as Jeffrey Epstein’s apparent suicide was surprising to him. Sure, laugh at the farce going on, but buy piano wire or hempen rope while you’re doing so. MC August 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm I always like to see Hezza on telly, reminding the world what a sad bitter cunt of a loser he is. What makes me really happy is that he knows it too. CJ Nerd August 12, 2019 at 1:46 pm Bloke on M4 wins the thread. John Galt August 12, 2019 at 2:01 pm Bloke on M4 wins the thread. …I don’t see anything about Hitler in BoM4’s comments… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Mr Womby August 12, 2019 at 4:07 pm Anyone else noticed that Hezza is slowly turning into Carl Fredericksen from the animated film “Up”? Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.