So, so, stigmatising

President Donald Trump described a weekend of two mass shootings — one in El Paso, Texas, and the other in Dayton, Ohio — as a “mental illness problem.”

“We must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment but when necessary involuntary confinement,” Trump said during a public address on Monday.
“Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun.”

Yet mental health experts, including representatives from the American Psychological Association, have called it “unfounded” to blame mass shootings on mental illness in place of considering other possible factors, such as hate, bigotry and access to assault weapons.
Calling every mass shooting a mental health problem is “inaccurate and it’s stigmatizing,” said Arthur Evans, chief executive officer of the American Psychological Association.

You know what? It might indeed be stigmatising. It’s even true that not every nutter pulls the trigger, but it’s still nutters pulling triggers, isn’t it.

32 thoughts on “So, so, stigmatising”

  1. That was a mighty quick pivot from “We must put mental health info into the background check system” to “but that’s stigmatising” simply because Trump has come out in favour of it.

    Utterly shameless.

  2. In the UK, our nutters content themselves with throwing small children off tall buildings. It’s no use the state imposing “involuntary confinement” if they take the patients out for day trips and then lose them.

  3. Trump did actually say “mental illness and hate”

    Which must cover about 100% of such events.

    But the “hate” bit has been ditched by the left in their reporting.

  4. If it was just hate, bigotry and access to weapons, there wouldn’t be any black people left in the southern states. They’d have been wiped out decades ago, when there was serious levels of racism down there.

  5. But isn’t mental health always, absolutely always, the cause, when the killers are vibrant?

    Or do I need intersectionality retraining?

  6. Interesting that those complaining about hate seem most determined to stir up the situation, like the reports of the woman saying Trump caused it with his speeches.
    Not exactly going to defuse the situation is it

  7. Dennis of Many Names

    We’ve been getting a steady stream of information strongly suggesting the Dayton shooter had some very serious mental health issues.

  8. Dennis etc has the troll stink.

    That USTV SOS Colbert tried to claim “Americas gun culture ” is “melting down”.

    On the contrary the fucking scum of the left are melting down.

    Both of the weekend cunts were leftists. The El Paso freak had a weird lapse –for a leftist–against migrants. But the rest of his shit is leftist eco-freakery and support for Universal Basic income. The Dayton creep was pure Marxist shite. Add in the –now gone silent– Las Vegas crap+ the Trump hater shooting at Rep congressmen–then it is the left who need to be disarmed.

  9. Yet mental health experts, including representatives from the American Psychological Association, have called it “unfounded” to blame mass shootings on mental illness in place of considering other possible factors, such as hate, bigotry and access to assault weapons.

    “ACKSHUALLY, DRUMPF, mental illness doesn’t cause violence when it contradicts our latest narrative!” – mental health ‘experts’

    Trump Derangement Syndrome to be added to the DSM when?

    BiGs – It works like this:

    Black guy kills a bunch of strangers – poverty and racism are to blame, and anyway this is just local news, isn’t it, bigots?

    Muslim guy kills a bunch of strangers – the IMPORTANT thing is not to inflame the situation by speculating on his motive.

    White guy kills a bunch of strangers – HALP! WHITE SUPREMACY! DAMN YOU, WHITE MEN. DAMNNNN YOOOUUUUUU!!!!11

  10. A more interesting question might be to ask why more angry loser white guys are acting like angry loser Muslim guys and throwing their apparently intolerable lives away on jihad boogaloo.

    Which raises the question of what makes them angry losers in the first place.

    How many of these guys have wives or girlfriends?

  11. Dennis, He of Many Names

    Fox News is reporting that the Dayton shooter was reported to police while in high school for threatening other students (with rape and/or death). He was suspended from high school for the remainder of the year, but was allowed to attend the following year. Evidently there was no follow up by the police or any referral to any mental health agencies.

    Sounds like we are headed into Nikolas Cruz territory.

  12. Dennis, He of Many Names

    Both of the weekend cunts were leftists.

    That’s convenient for your ravings, Ecks, but I’m not really sure it is all the relevant to why these shootings actually happened. I do have a bit of experience dealing with folks with mental health issues, and one thing I noticed is that they very rarely simply come out and say ‘I think I might be nuts!’. More often they came up with reasons or a rationale that pointed in a different direction.

  13. How nice for you Disease of Many Names but the mental health check most urgently needed is your own.

    Assorted leftist scum are on the violence trail. Real white supremes are a vanishingly small number–while Antifa shite infest everywhere . Without the slightest awareness of the millions murdered by their gang while bubbling with righteous cockrot against the “far-right” and the rest of their horseshit.

    They are a deliberately cultivated product of deliberate leftist evil. As likely are you Denee.

  14. Dennis, Confuser of the Dim

    The irony of this – and it is most assuredly lost on you – is that you sound exactly like the people you so vehemently despise. Substitute a few words here and there and your posts could be written by an Antifa thug. And your insistence on politicizing events that aren’t political puts you squarely amongst the US mainstream media and Democratic presidential hopefuls… All (including you) happily leaping over the unburied dead in an attempt to score the most points in a game of Political Gotcha that those with a sense of basic human decency find repulsive.

  15. “…the woman saying Trump caused it with his speeches. ”

    Well of course he did. Speeches condemning mass shootings antagonises the mass shooting community. Only Trump can be held responsible when they’re compelled to react.

  16. “We must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment but when necessary involuntary confinement”

    This just plays the Left’s game.

    It is not possible to identify people who are about to commit mass murder. Can’t be done.

    Defense is the only answer. And that answer will lead to deterrence. Ending the problem.

    But, of course, the Left doesn’t want to end the problem. They want to exploit it to their own ends; it is an opportunity.

    ‘in place of considering other possible factors, such as hate, bigotry and access to assault weapons (sic)’

    See, if YOU are against hate and bigotry, they will USE IT AGAINST you. They will use your mores against you.

    The Left doesn’t want you to be able to resist government; they want full control. They are comfortable with incremental destruction of your rights. They will use this opportunity to get your ‘assault rifle’ banned.

    “Assault rifle” is a military term. It is a direct translation of Sturmgewehr, from the WWII German StG-44. It means a select fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge.

    The U.S. modern sporting rifle, the AR-15, is not select fire. IT IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE!
    Calling it one is ignorant, or a deliberate LIE. Note that the AR in AR-15 stands for Armalite, not Assault Rifle.

    So we have a Lefty organization, the APA, trying to exploit a tragedy to achieve political aims. It is disgusting. Trump saying ‘We must reform our mental health laws’ is just junk.

  17. Dennis–take your fine sensibilities and shove them up your rectum.

    The 150 million killings of socialismo are fucking fact son. No way around it. The cunts in Antifa don’t know that and would lie about it if they did. The two weekend twats may have been mental–perhaps–but they were following in the grand old tradition of socialism. And that includes the so-called “far right” ie “fascism” which also is fucking socialism.

    There is no “political landscape” numbnuts–there is only the evil of the left–besides which the occasional genuine mental case shoot ’em up is small bananas indeed. IF the twin turds are mental cases. I just think they are leftscum doing what socialism is ALL about–hating and killing.,

  18. Dennis, He of the Fine Sensibilities

    As I said, the irony would be lost on you.

    Actually, the fact that you think I possess ‘fine sensibilities’ is proof positive that you are completely demented.

  19. Disingenuous Dennis, Respecter of the Dead

    I may be an ass, but unlike Ecks, I will never be arrested in a supermarket wearing nothing but a bathrobe and bunny slippers while raving about socialism to the paying customers. It may not have happened yet, but it will… and probably soon.

  20. @pcar Obama et al are like the Remainers in the UK, they believe they are still in power despite what the pesky voters say…Meanwhile I was delighted to find that Paul Joseph Watson has managed to get back on YouTube and yes that is a remarkably sensible and balanced response – no wonder they wanted to ban him…

  21. Derney–you are a whinging troll –likely of American “liberal” type–ie full of sanctimonious leftist cockrot but with inadequate nuts to embrace the true evil of the leftist cause.

    Even your imagery is as stale as your politics. The image you deploy being an obvious rip-off from the The Big Lebowski.

  22. Dennis, Confuser of the Dim

    The image you deploy being an obvious rip-off from the The Big Lebowski.

    Never seen it. The only Coen Brothers film I’ve ever seen is No Country for Old Men. In any event, the image I used was old and worn decades before the Coens used it.

    Now that you’ve put me in my place, you get back to doing what you do best; making the world a better place by relentlessly hating the hating haters who are out there spreading the sort of hate you hate the most.

  23. Dennis, Confuser of the Dim

    Dennis, Mr Ecks loves indulging in a bit of hyperbole, but you are being a disingenuous arse.

    That I am an ass goes without saying, but disingenuous? I think not. What’s disingenuous is you suggesting my refusal to politicize a series of non-political tragedies to win points in some sort of game of Political Gotcha is anything other than a show of intellectual independence.

    The game is stupid and I refuse to play. The fact that you can’t process that information correctly says more about you than it does about me.

  24. It says, Danish, you have the light of self-righteous sanctimony shining even out of your arsehole. But not quite bright enough for you to see evil for what it is.

    That would be too simple for a clever fellow like you.

  25. America has for decades had lots and lots of guns but not lots and lots of mass shootings. Something changed, not sure what, not sure when,but I’ll wager it’s the same thing that led to the rise of this clutch of utter cunts leading the APA.

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