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Greta love, do try to look at the science

This is all wrong. I shouldn’t be standing here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean. Yet you all come to me for hope? How dare you! You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I’m one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction. And all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!

In the science of climate change we have some facts. Even some models of what will happen. Just to keep this simple for a non-specialist teenager.

In RCP 8.5 we don’t beat climate change. In RCP 2.6 we do beat climate change. In RCP 2.6 we have more – much more – economic growth than in 8.5.

Economic growth is not a problem in beating climate change, it’s the cause of doing so.

30 thoughts on “Greta love, do try to look at the science”

  1. Just read the best summary of the whole scam, for that is what it is.

    Lynne Balzer a science teacher from good ole US of A has written a ‘text book’ (The Green New Deal and CLimate Change – What you need to know) for high school students (but it ought to be given to every adult to read) summarising:

    The history of climate including the current hysteria.
    The origins of the scam (Maurice Strong, Club of Rome, UN) and why the string pullers continue to pull and how they get away with it. (Lindzen in his GWPF lecture explains the psychology of the great and blind).
    The science (in a way that even I can understand) and the errors of understanding of the great unwashed.
    The ‘consensus’ and where it comes from and just how scammy it is.
    The data tampering (not just Climategate).
    The stupidity (from an energy point of view and an economic point of view) of the ‘New Green Deal’.

    Her sources are good, the data is official and her writing is simple.

    There is no climate emergency, everything we are doing is wrong and we are impoverishing ourselves.

    And for God’s sake go and follow Tony Heller on Twitter for a daily dose of historical climate realism.

  2. If schools taught history adequately, perhaps the parallels with Hitler Youth, the Young Pioneers and the Revolutionary Guard would be more obvious to the participants. Her family history includes Arrhenius who started the whole scam when he observed the effects of CO2 on a closed system and was enthusiastic about eugenics. Both parents are attention whores. There is a bizarre video of her mother performing at and a most entertaining comments section.

  3. Science (genuinely devoid of politics) works for me.

    On the home page of that site, this is the very first thing you see and read:

    Scientific skepticism is healthy. Scientists should always challenge themselves to improve their understanding. Yet this isn’t what happens with climate change denial. Skeptics vigorously criticise any evidence that supports man-made global warming and yet embrace any argument, op-ed, blog or study that purports to refute global warming.

    So no political perspective there then…

  4. At some point Greta will need to be put on suicide watch. I’m not sure that it will be possible to let her down gently…..

  5. Stephen of Cloyes (12 1n 1212)

    Nongqawuse (15 in 1856)

    Bernadette Soubirous (14 in 1858)

    Greta Thunberg (16 in 2019)

    Note the similarities….

  6. Exactly what ‘change’ to the climate are we trying to ‘beat’?

    There is no data which shows any trend which indicates there is any change outside natural variation. The IPCC has confirmed there is no evidence to support the oft-cited examples of the supposed change, such as increased droughts, floods, hurricanes.

    There is no single climate for the Planet, but multiple regional and local climate systems which do not all change at once, in the same way, in the same direction or change much at all.

    The Earth heat budget has increased only by 1C since pre-industrial times, and only 0,3C in the last two decades.

  7. PF: oh dear that is painful to read.

    the whole point of sceptic science is that it is easier to refute an argument than to prove it and that we progress by refuting the currently accepted theories. This means, by definition, that we need to embrace criticism of the status quo and vigorously criticise the evidence for it. it’s the whole fucking point

  8. ” You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. ”

    Pretty sure it’s her parents who’ve done that.

  9. 10-4, John B. With the possible exception of the Sahel, NO CLIMATE ZONE ON EARTH HAS CHANGED IN A HUNDRED YEARS. The climate of GB hasn’t changed in over 200 years.

    But climate change isn’t about the climates, nor even the environment. It is orthodoxy, embraced by the Left as a path to global socialist government. Greta demands we accept orthodoxy. And, of course, orthodoxy is the exact opposite of science.

    What a crummy kid.

    ‘People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction.’

    Wut? BTW, how would a 16 year old know this?

    ‘And all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!’

    What part of climate is money? You just pulled the curtain back on the scam, little girl.

  10. “But, but……The SCIENCE IS SETTLED”

    If that’s the case how come phones keep getting smarter, cars and planes are more economical & cleaner, things which were considered impossible just a few years ago (like affordable 3D printing) are now commonplace.

    Does St Greta ever consider that?

  11. A Welfare State depends on a large economic surplus in order to exist – and our current one, a huge surplus.

    The Left can have a Welfare State or they can have their Green Nirvana – they can’t have both.

  12. “You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words.”

    Most kids who hate school bunk off and do something fun. Get baked, listen to Snoop Dogg, kick a football around, get a shag. You sat outside parliament. You ruined your own childhood, or someone close to you did.

  13. Hail St Greta: Children should run the world: economy doesn’t matter, free sweets and cuddly toys for everyone. /sarc

    World according to EU & msm is hyper green – polls, behaviour & expressed preferences say NO

    Greta Thunberg to U.N. climate summit
    “You have STOLEN my dreams and childhood” – no dear, your parents, school & Gov’t did that

    Greta Thunderpuppet – who wrote her “Mass Extinction” world ends in “8 1/2 years” speech rant? Who coached her in rehearsals for this obviously theatrical “speech” – so rehearsed & faked it was an emotionless* delivery

    “she is unequivocally a troubled adolescent” – on suicide watch?

    Notable C4 News only aired a 10s clip; are they becoming worried it’s child abuse?

    Greta’s female handler/bodyguard/puppet-master:

    H/T Distant Relative @OOL

  14. An open letter to Ms Thunberg.

    “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!”

    But economic growth ***IS*** the solution to climate change. Economic growth provides the ability to move from scraping food out of the mud, allows the surplus to develop technology. Without economic growth THERE IS NO TECHNOLOGY.

    “How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just ‘business as usual’ and some technical solutions?”

    But we aren’t and haven’t been doing ‘business as usual’. When I was 16 back in 1985 the UK was already moving away from coal power. That’s almost THIRTY-FIVE YEARS AGO. We now have solar power that even without subsidies is cheaper than coal power. We have had the fuel duty escalator that has made motor fuel 40% more expensive that it “should” be to force people to reduce their use of oil-based fuels. Back in 1985 a second-hand car would struggle to manage 25 mile per gallon, today my 20-year-old second-hand car comfortably crusies along at 50 miles per gallon. WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING NOTHING. To assert that we have is not just fake news, but is an OUTRIGHT LIE.

    “You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you.”

    The whole point of future generations is that future generations innovate over past generations. The solution to the future is those future generations. *YOU* are those future generations and it is *YOU* who are the solution to future problems. The eyes of the current generations are on YOU the FUTURE generations, and we will not forgive *YOU* if you fail to build on thousands of years of civilisation.

    “They also rely on my generation sucking hundreds of billions of tons of your CO2 out of the air with technologies that barely exist.”

    Thirty years ago solar power barely existed. It now exists so much that it is cheaper than coal power. Ordinary cars use less than half the fuel of thirty years ago. The UK uses less energy as an entire country than thirty years ago. That is how technology progresses. Future generations innovate over past generations. The technologies that barely exist today barely exist today because today is today. ***YOU*** are the future generations that will create this technology. That’s the the entire point of future generations – to build on on previous generations. You can’t get tomorrow’s technology today because you need today to have already existed before tomorrow arrives.

    I cannot beleive that Ms Thunberg has managed to be alive for 16 years without being able to notice the existance the the universe around herself. Either Ms Thunberg knows all this and is wilfully ignoring it and lying to people, or people have carefully and wilfuly concealing the existance of the world around her. If it is the latter, this is horrific abuse of such a vunerable child.

  15. @jgh September 25, 2019 at 10:35 am

    A +1 for most

    A -10 for solar cheap/good

    PV Solar UK went into liquidation in 2017.

    Robert Skillen, who was the director of the firm when Mr Thompson bought his system, said Mr Thompson’s panels would make him money.

    Mr Skillen is now in business claiming to help people who have been missold solar panels. He did not want to be interviewed.

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