Is this the plan?

Amber Rudd quit the Cabinet and the Conservative Party on Saturday night, attacking the “short-sighted” ousting of pro-EU MPs and saying she believed Boris Johnson was now aiming for a no-deal Brexit.

In a letter to Mr Johnson, the Work and Pensions Secretary insisted she had joined the Cabinet in “good faith” but said she was no longer convinced that “leaving with a deal is the Government’s main objective”.

Ms Rudd’s resignation, on the eve of Mr Johnson’s second attempt to secure an election, will fuel an already seismic row in the Conservative Party over its stance on Brexit, with sources claiming more MPs are preparing to quit on Monday.

Get the Remoaners to resign the whip, the government falls, no one else has a majority, election time!

84 thoughts on “Is this the plan?”

  1. Bloke in North Dorset

    We already had a minority government, nothing’s changed in that respect.

    It’s not like she’s revealed her true colours either, she’s always been clear that she was a wet Remainer who would accept a deal. As I’ve said before, nobody has defined what a deal means and it looks like to her it means BRINO.

  2. Obstructionist remainers leaving the party is what the Brexiteers want. They’ll be replaced by Leavers. And it will be a salutary lesson to the waverers.

    If The Brexit Party can take some Labour seats then Leave else have the way cleared.

    I’m amazed Rudd can’t work that out.

  3. Rudd only ever joined the Cabinet to resign at the most inconvenient time anyway. Her wafer-thin majority will evaporate at the next GE, most probably to a Libdem. It’s another pustule removed from the Conservative party body politic.

  4. Both Labour and Conservative parties have been pretending to be united when they plainly aren’t. Both pretences are being exposed. The Conservative party is currently cleaning house, Labour is clinging to its illusions. This will considerably help the Conservatives in an election.
    And that is ignoring the Labour splits in economic policy which have driven MPs to jump ship already, and the general observation that Labour is dominated by the London party and ignores the rest of its support. This last leaving a vast opportunity for Farage or Boris or whoever else can get there first.

  5. Amber Rudd bewails the departure of former Conservative MPs whom she describes as “moderate progressives”.

    I think many Conservative supporters consider “progressive” to be the antithesis of “conservative” so for those voters not only are these departures welcome but these MPs should never have been admitted to stand as Conservatives in the first place.

  6. I don’t think this was the plan, but some Prussian once said something about the connexion betwixt plans and meeting the enemy. A good leader adapts and tries to set up win-win situations.

    So… Rejoice! Rejoice!

    Boris was supposed to be boxed in, buried, a busted flush.

    Why, then, is Amber Rudd leaving her cushy job and ministerial jag? Why is the lesser Johnson flouncing out of politics? Why the lemming-like charge of the fake conservatives towards the exit?

    Because they know something we don’t. The Boris is not for turning. Shit just got real.

    Remember – it was only five minutes ago that Phil Hammond was scoffing about the ERG “extremists”, with the obvious implication that they’d be purged once BRINO was secured. Every resignation from Treeza’s cabinet brought in a Remainer replacement.

    Now, the Remainers aren’t just Darwin-awarding themselves out of the Cabinet, they’re fleeing the party, which means they lose their leverage over the PM and won’t be MP’s after the election. Does this look like the actions of a clique that thinks it’s winning?

    Be cool like Fonzies, chaps. It’s coming home.

  7. @KL

    Indeed, Rudd was a walking resignation really, just a question of timing. But I’m not sure that would have been in Johnson’s planning – at least, not as an objective, probably there as a risk you could see a mile off – and he did want to keep some of that camp in the cabinet in order to maintain party unity (and to make sure they didn’t rebel).

    Like BiND says it doesn’t really change anything substantive, though in the short term government disunity rarely looks good; if the opposition holds fast to their “keep Johnson’s feet to the fire and force him to humiliate himself” strategy, which looks to be their best bet, then don’t expect any vote of no confidence just yet.

  8. Amber Rudd bewails the departure of former Conservative MPs whom she describes as “moderate progressives”.

    We used to call these ‘Blairites’. It’s a measure of Cameron’s tenure that so many of these people became Conservative MPs. They are basically an internationalist, soft-Left clique covering parts of all three parties (and all of the Lib Dems). Clear them out.

  9. @Steve

    Well yes and no to Boris being serious. Yes that he’s serious about 31 Oct, but Rudd’s view is no, he isn’t serious about his other promise, which was to secure a deal or make best efforts to. At the very least, Johnson’s leadership race pledges would require that EU or parliamentary intransigence would be seen as to blame for No Deal rather than Boris and his government.

    As far as I can see he’s actually convinced himself he can get the EU to agree a deal – but that looks a lot like misreading the strength of his own hand. He has apparently been serious about seeking a deal when meeting EU leaders, but they are mystified by his insistence that they need to cut one with him because of his strategy of forcing MPs into a “pass my deal or we will exit with no deal” binary ultimatum. They can’t see the relevance of this to the negotiation even though Boris is parading it to them as if it’s a masterstroke (one that’s failed anyway with the extension bill) and are more concerned that Boris, like May, likely doesn’t have backing in parliament to get any deal through. And they don’t believe he has done the necessary technical work on his proposed backstop replacement – they know he’s going to try to reveal his hand on it at the last minute and try to blind them with science, but they are pretty certain it’ll be a lazy reheated version of stuff they’ve rejected before and will reject again.

    The position Boris is in is weak in some respects – he’s apparently genuinely seeking a deal, but neither his negotiating partners or MPs think he’ll actually get one by 31 Oct. Nevertheless he politically can’t change tack and declare “change of plan folks, we are leaving with no deal” until EU leaders explicitly reject his plans. So he is committed for now to a course of action that nobody takes him seriously on. If we get an early October election, he’ll be campaigning on a “make a quick deal” ticket that everybody thinks he’ll fail at, while TBP is likely to be running against him with an explicit “no deal” platform that’s more attractive to hardcore leavers. If there is no election, he’ll have to make some tough choices and run the risk of losing big in the courts.

    It looks to me like reality has ended up on a branching path that the government either did not anticipate or was hoping was sufficiently low in probability that they didn’t need to worry about it too much. Will be interesting to see if they’ve got a cunning trick up their sleeve.

    My best guess, and it is only a guess, is that they’re currently talking up the chances of Boris ignoring the law and maybe even the courts to achieve a 31 Oct exit, because it will push the opposition into caving in on an election – it makes their “force him to extend and then cook in his own juice” strategy too high risk.

  10. MBE – As far as I can see he’s actually convinced himself he can get the EU to agree a deal

    I reckon so too. He may even be correct – who the hell knows? It says something about the EU that the science of Kremlinology had to be revived to divine their intentions.

    I don’t want a deal before we leave though (we need to drain the poison from our body politic first), so I’d be delighted for Boris to deliver his Plan B Brexit.

    My best guess, and it is only a guess, is that they’re currently talking up the chances of Boris ignoring the law and maybe even the courts to achieve a 31 Oct exit, because it will push the opposition into caving in on an election

    I think so, and it’s a high stakes game of chicken. With every wonderful statement of defiance from the government, they narrow the rhetorical gap that might’ve allowed them to backtrack.

    They may well find themselves forced to carry out their threats, though I suspect the rhetoric is partly a deliberate feint – whatever he does, I expect the PM to don a fig leaf of legal advice. Delaying or creatively complying with the Surrender Bill/Act may be just as effective as disobeying, and less risky.

    What are we to make of the rhetoric from the Remainers though? Threatening to jail the PM doesn’t look like a good move. It sounds crazy desperate. Imagine how that would go down with voters across the country.

    It feels like, after 3+ years of drifting, we’re finally arriving at a moment of truth.

  11. Until it is decided by all whether the UK is an independent sovereign nation or a province of the EU nothing else can be agreed. Once that is decided other details become trivial.
    I think that Boris hoped to convince the EU that the main question is decided, hence facilitating sorting out the details – the deal he hopes for.
    Parliament has gone a long way to convince the EU that it views itself as a County Council, hence a deal is not possible.
    Actually leaving with no deal plus a leave friendly general election now looks like the only way to convince the EU.

  12. Steve +1

    I’m curious about something if there any lawyers tuned in?

    BiND I think it was raised the issue of Queens Consent in the other thread.

    Bercow, having taken legal advice, decided that QC was not required for the Surrender Bill, ie the PM had no right to deny QC at 3rd reading and hence scupper the bill before it went to the Lords.

    If QC was not required, that must surely mean that the bill is not legally binding on the PM, and hence only advisory? (That’s the point of QC for significant legislation brought by the opposition?).

    Or to put it s a different way, Bercow could see a way whereby the PM might not be bound by it (creative letters, whatever), and that was the sneaky basis for deciding it did not need QC (when the need for QC had been expected)?

    Hence, doesn’t Boris simply need to understand the legal advice given to the Speaker, that avoided QC, and then follow that exact process in order to ignore the bill?

    I can’t understand, logically, how the bill didn’t require QC, but that Boris must legally be bound by it?

    Any lawyers?

  13. Get the Remoaners to resign the whip, the government falls, no one else has a majority, election time!

    That’s a bit Underpants Gnome.

    Why does the government fall if Remoaners resign? It’s already a preposterously minority govt. The House doesn’t want a no-confidence vote / election so all the govt could do is resign en masse.

    You evidently don’t need a majority to form a government, you just need a block that looks like it could hang together enough to convince the monarch to let it form one. There’s so much common ground between wet Tories, the Lib Dems and London Labour that they might actually achieve it.

  14. Ted S, Catskill Mtns, NY, USA

    Or to put it s a different way, Bercow could see a way whereby the PM might not be bound by it (creative letters, whatever), and that was the sneaky basis for deciding it did not need QC (when the need for QC had been expected)?

    I’m on the other side of the pond so don’t know the subtleties of the current UK political situation, but I was under the impression that Bercow was a Remainer who wouldn’t see any way the PM isn’t bound by it even if that way is blatantly obvious.

  15. MBE: My best guess, and it is only a guess, is that they’re currently talking up the chances of Boris ignoring the law and maybe even the courts to achieve a 31 Oct exit

    It is doubtful that Boris Johnson would ignore the law, withold consent or have recourse to the courts because all of these would play into the “Boris is a dictator” narrative and do him harm in the subsequent general election.

    It seems more likely that some other device will be found which will neutralise the effect of the Surrender Law and expedite a no-deal departure on 31/10.

    The Sunday Express, for example, leads today with a theory that the Prime Minister could decide not to nominate a Commissioner to join the new Commission under Ursula von Leyen which would consequently be unable to assume its functions on 01/11

    Consequently – or for other reasons of their own- other member states might take the initiative by simply vetoing any extension. President Macron might be the man to preserve Boris Johnson’s purity of purpose.

    This is all fascinating and good fun and Steve’s prognosis is surely the correct one with lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth from outcast tories – soon to be out of Parliament, edentate and with inflamed tear ducts. Hooray!

  16. @TMB

    Agree it’s very unlikely they’d explicitly break the law for exactly the reason you state, and yet they are talking it up in interviews etc. Which must be for a reason, and my guess is it’s to lever for an election. Going to make them look dafter if they end up backtracking and extending though.

  17. Bloke in North Dorset

    I can’t understand, logically, how the bill didn’t require QC, but that Boris must legally be bound by it?

    By stating that it doesn’t require Queen’s Consent he is saying it doesn’t come under the Royal Prerogative and therefore not a power held by the PM. It means that Parliament can tell the PM what to do in this case.

  18. I would have thought that is obvious that the only way to get any sort of “good” deal from the EU is if the EU is convinced that the government is quite happy to leave without a deal if it can’t get a deal that it is happy with. Once that option is off the table the UK becomes a supplicant and the EU holds all the cards and we end up with a surrender document like TM’s WA.

  19. Bloke in North Dorset

    I’m not going to be popular in some quarters for this view, but here goes.

    The Remain elite establishment now believes it has taken back control, at least of the Brexit process. They aren’t now going to take any risks, especially one that involves the unreliable British public.

    This means:

    No GE this side of 31 Oct.

    Forcing Boris to issue the letter and lose any last vestiges of credibility or resigning and letting them nominate their own stooge. Going to jail may work well with hard line Brexiters but it won’t change much.

    Setting up a position in which the Conservative Party and TBP go to war to reduce any chance of a Parliamentary majority for No Deal Leave. This means pushing any GE back to January.

    Working with the EU to ensure that nothing worse than May’s deal is ever presented.

    Consolidating the likes of Thornberry in the Labour Party and boxing Corbyn in to an even tighter corner.

    Ensuring that any further talk of a 2nd referendum is limited and making sure it is about BRINO or Revoke. There will be no chance of “no deal” being on the ballot paper.

    The resignation that has damaged Boris the most is his brother’s. This will resonate with the public when the other parties use it to accuse the Tories of being split. There will be other strategically timed resignations as well and it will leave them vulnerable to accusations of being the nasty party again.

    They’re counting on the British people being knocked in to submission at the end of this process and meekly accepting Revoke. It seems to be working as the Remain vote in opinion polls is hardening against no deal.

  20. MBE: “and are more concerned that Boris, like May, likely doesn’t have backing in parliament to get any deal through.”

    Scrap the “likely”… Which is indeed why , as TMB pointed out the ball may well not be with the UK parliament at all.
    The French are, indeed, already hinting at the simple fact that they’re not willing to extend, but they are definitely not the only EU members who are fed up with the sheer inability of the UK government(!s!) to Get Stuff Done. Either way.

    And as pointed out in another comment a couple of days ago: Brexit is a process. Leaving the EU is just the beginning for the UK.
    And if the current infighting keeps on, this means a guarantee for a repeat of what has happened now. For every single issue, for years, if not decades to come. Endless infighting, no results.

    I do hope it’s not France alone that vetoes, though.. It’d give Remain and Leave both the chance to point at the Evil Frenchies for the “cause” , and quickly paper over their own incompetence.

  21. Amber Rudd was toast in Hastings anyway , so less principle involved than may appear .
    Electoral calculus predicts a 390 odd seats for Johnson on about a 33% vote share ( Major got rather less seats on 42% ) the Brexit Party will get no seats on 12/14% if they run and if they pull out it will be a New Brexit /Tory Landslide
    This is all whilst losing the popular vote to those Parties advocating a people’s vote .

    For many years I felt it was quite wrong that the UKIP BNP / Adolf fan club had no political voice and that period has bred the sort of tin foil hate wearing ( sorry I mean hat wearing )odd bod we see on this site
    ( That Steve is an especially sad case of borderline personality disorder)

    The Political subjugation of Liberal England business academia and anyone with an education will not be the end of this story

  22. BiND – The Remain elite establishment now believes it has taken back control, at least of the Brexit process.

    They’re REEEEing to the rafters and voluntarily leaving politics in droves. This is not winning, this is the Judean People’s Front’s crack suicide squad.

    Forcing Boris to issue the letter and lose any last vestiges of credibility or resigning and letting them nominate their own stooge. Going to jail may work well

    There’s multiple ways Boris can turn this into a win, even if he’s ultimately forced to request an extension. The public isn’t daft, they see what’s happening with regard to the extension game.

    Boris won’t be doing porridge.

    The resignation that has damaged Boris the most is his brother’s. This will resonate with the public

    The public barely knows who Joe Johnson is.

    There will be other strategically timed resignations

    Yes. Rejoice! Rejoice!

    They’re counting on the British people being knocked in to submission

    I think I can see a flaw in this plan.

    It seems to be working as the Remain vote in opinion polls is hardening against no deal.

    I honestly wouldn’t worry about it, depends on what question you ask. The government is setting up the election to be on a question they can win, and there will be an election, perhaps sooner than you think.

    18-wheeler Scammells, Domenecker camels
    All other mammals plus equal votes
    Seeing Piccadilly, Fanny Smith and Willy
    Being rather silly, and porridge oats

    #beofgoodcheer

  23. The Political subjugation of Liberal England business academia and anyone with an education will not be the end of this story

    Because in your universe Brexiteers are all working class nazis with tattooed knuckles and scars.

    Fuck off.

  24. Rudd was a walking wicket – majority of 350 in a leave voting area. Life expectancy akin to that of Jason Roy facing Pat Cummins, on a corrugated tin deck, at 2am. She has gone now to try to cause damage while she still can, and to ingratiate herself with the Remain ponces.

    I don’t think there’s any big plan by Boris behind it, but I don’t think it hurts him medium to long term.

    Question is whether he can survive the short term.

    As Steve says, the public are not stupid, even if they are not all particularly educated and/or utterly au fait with the micro details.

    They are developing a huge suspicion of the political class, more than is traditional, and that process is helped by millionaire minor-aristo Cheltenham Ladies’ College-educated daughters of dodgy bankers posing as women of the people and pretending to sacrifice themselves for the greater good.

    Calling Boris a fascist and pretending he’s a dictator in charge of a coup is overplaying their hand, with giant jazz-hands sponsored by Bullshit.com – if it were remotely true they would be in jail and Bercow would be dangling from a crane.

    The voters know in their gut that it is lefty Tories, the media, the showbiz elite, Labour and the Lib Dems who are staging the coup against the people, and in the long run it will not work out well for the plotters.

  25. “Ms Rudd’s resignation, on the eve of Mr Johnson’s second attempt to secure an election, will fuel an already seismic row in the Conservative Party over its stance on Brexit, with sources claiming more MPs are preparing to quit on Monday.”

    There isn’t a seismic row. Roughly 75% of the membership want to leave. 66% of members support Boris. If it comes down to a fight, remain/wet are toast.

    Two other observations. Firstly, when journalists talk about “heavyweights” and “grandees” they generally know fuck all about things. They think these people matter. MPs make little difference to winning seats. A really good, hard-working MP who sorts out problems for constituents can add a few thousand votes. Which can tip a marginal seat. Mostly people vote based on party, manifesto and leader.

    Secondly the wets lose us votes. How do you only scrape victories against Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband? The problem there was that anyone who wanted a red meat Conservative Party jumped to UKIP. And not just over Europe. Smoking ban, cutting the size of government, anti-identity politics. Remember when they made the no-talent Warsi a peer just because she was a brown Muslim woman? I’m sure that added a percentage point to UKIP.

    Permanently getting rid of the wets would be the best thing ever for the Conservatives.

  26. Boris won’t win a ge. You only need half a brain cell, an abacus, and to look at the marginal seats plus Scotland to see that.

  27. BoM4: Permanently getting rid of the wets would be the best thing ever for the Conservatives.

    If we’re using “wet” in the Margaret Thatcher sense of the word, then it’s as well to remember that Boris Johnson is more “wet” than otherwise.

  28. BIND–It is defeatist cockrot

    Let me remind all the “rule of law” dickheads on here –you need to remember that Jizz and his Merry Men might use your stupidity to get in–but once there he will wipe his arse on your lawbook.

    I don’t know what Johnson has planned but here’s how it could be done regardless.

    Monday-BoJo invokes the CCA. The EUSurrender Act is set aside as is the FTPA . GE on 1st Thur after 31/10/19. Piro’d extended from Tuesday to 1st Monday after the GE or whatever the usual post GE break is.

    If EU want a real deal then they can come over here and talk before we leave–but we leave deal or not. The deal will have no backstop nor a single one of the other turds Treason May tried to cook into it. Farage will lead the Nego team–to ensure no treachery. Part of an agreement to co-op at the GE. Should do the trick. If deal by 31st-we leave with deal–if not No Deal it is.

    Any MPs meeting to form “alternative govt” will be arrested and charged with High Treason which will be prosecuted to the full extent–ie life imprisonment. Police/Army on full alert because of the “danger” of No Deal. Remainiac wankers have been lying about it for years–so they can hardly complain.

    Unlikely to be an unrest outside of one or two cities and Remain Central. If needs be–tho’ not to be announced until needed, if police military can’t cope–vv unlikely– the govt could ask leavers to turn into the streets to stop violent remainiacs. Many of us would not need to be asked twice.

    Fuck off with your rule of law and the rest–it ALL is lawful thanks to the CCA which the most of the shite still in Parli voted for–thinking it would be used by them against little people–supersweet to use it on them.

  29. Perry Remainiac-Turd–If you are so sure of that why are you on here trying to suck EU dick? Nothing else to do on the Psyche ward today?

  30. “For many years I felt it was quite wrong that the UKIP BNP / Adolf fan club had no political voice and that period has bred the sort of tin foil hate wearing ( sorry I mean hat wearing )odd bod we see on this site (That Steve is an especially sad case of borderline personality disorder)”

    Have you people ever reflected on the success rate of calling leavers some variation of “fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists” and you keep on losing?

    You’ve done it for at least 13 years, and the result of that has been that we’re leaving the EU, we’ve purged the wets from the Conservative Party and the public has seen how far the establishment are working against them. UKIP didn’t just get the ice cream. They got the raspberry sauce, flake and nuts.

  31. TMB,

    “If we’re using “wet” in the Margaret Thatcher sense of the word, then it’s as well to remember that Boris Johnson is more “wet” than otherwise.”

    Yes, you’re probably right. I should really say the ultra-wets. The surrender monkeys. The sort of people that Guardian readers say they respect (but of course, still don’t vote for them which is my “useless liability” thing).

    I don’t think you can just have a Conservative Party of people like Truss and Redwood. But it’s like I used to wonder why the fuck Blair never got rid of people like Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn.

  32. Mr ecks. You not had your meds today poppet? You can glean whether I’m leave or remain from one post about the likely ge result. You are truely talented at this internet lark.

  33. “If EU want a real deal then they can come over here and talk before we leave–but we leave deal or not.”

    Actually, that’s a point, isn’t it?

    They never came over the Channel to our gaff to pow-wow on the subject of a ‘deal’. It was always Robbins and May toddling over there.

  34. EUPerry–It didn’t need much of guess numbnuts. Johnson is the only Brexit game in town –so slagging him serves no one save remain. We are supposed to believe you support Brexit–again with friends like these .

  35. Mr Lud–They owned Treason May. A purely vile and evil bitch. Nasty and arrogant–known for it at the HO (as well as bungling)–but cringingly servile to those she thinks are above her in status.

    Made to wait like a naughty schoolgirl in a windowless room awaiting the EU Grandees/Macron/Mercow’s leisure–on two separate occasions it seems. Shit–you wouldn’t get away with doing that to a naughty schoolgirl –‘uman rights etc–these days. Let alone the supposed head of a Sovereign State–one that has beaten most of the bastards several times and rescued several of them from each other at vast cost to ourselves. Which explains why–when they had a weak weasel like her in their clutches they went to town to humiliate her–even though she was their servant.

  36. Bloke in North Dorset

    I do hope it’s not France alone that vetoes, though.. It’d give Remain and Leave both the chance to point at the Evil Frenchies for the “cause” , and quickly paper over their own incompetence.

    That won’t happen. If the Times is to be believed the extension was pre-agreed. Even if it wasn’t, the EU doesn’t want to be seen as causing no deal and being held responsible for any chaos that causes (no I don’t believe it will be that bad). Its ironic that the only actor in this farce prepared to own no deal isn’t allowed to.

    I don’t think you can just have a Conservative Party of people like Truss and Redwood.

    More’s the pity.

    One thing that’s being missed with all the talk about the wets and letting them back in is that Boris can’t afford to politically. In the unlikely event he gets his GE and wins a majority of MPs he can’t afford to have 20+ of them being willing to vote against him on the EU, he’d never get a majority large enough to override them. To that end, expect a few more sacking if they can find the right excuse.

  37. BiND – That won’t happen. If the Times is to be believed the extension was pre-agreed.

    I think you’re right, but there’s pre-agreed and pre-agreed. Who have they pre-agreed it with? The EU is a tower of Babel, and a politically unstable one at that. They may well have promised something they subsequently decide not to deliver – Erdogan could tell us about that.

    Boris can’t afford to politically

    Yarp. It would also kill his authority stone dead in an instant, and kill his momentum in the polls.

    Boris is a metropolitan liberal and I reckon he hoped, by extending the olive branch to Rudd et al, that he could keep them onside and pull off a grand compromise, but they’ve demonstrated that the only thing they want is to stop Brexit, hence the desperation to undermine the government at all costs. (If it was “No Deal” they were afraid of, they’d have let him have a go at negotiations and then rebel before the 31st)

    Boris may have hoped to pass a tarted-up version of the WA. They’re pushing him into a situation where the only path to survival is No Deal.

    You’d think they’re answering to a cackling hologram of Nigel Farage boasting “everything is proceeding as I have foreseen”.

  38. Ted S, Catskill Mtns, NY, USA

    BIND–It is defeatist cockrot

    He’s not suggesting he likes it, but what he thinks is likeliest to happen, since I assume he has no power over it beyond voting in the next GE.

    And it’s far less cockrot than thinking that MPs who don’t do what you want are going to get arrested for treason. That’s cockrot.

  39. Mr ecks. I wasn’t “slagging him” I was commenting on the reality of a ge result. Can I suggest you have a lie down in your Essex caravan and cool off a bit

  40. I keep thinking about the parliament instructing Boris to ask for an extension and accept.

    Boris’ best bet would be to send something like this:
    dear EU,
    We don’t want one, but I’ve been legally required by rogue elements to ask for an extension until January the whatever-th. If you grant this we will start vetoing everything we can and generally being as big a pains as possible in the EU. Delaying everything and gumming up legislation with hundreds of amendments (or whatever we can – pulling fire alarms for example). It’s up to you.
    Love you
    Boris.

    Does anyone know how much we could mess with EU processes (without resorting to pulling the fire alarms every 20min)?

  41. “The public barely knows who Joe Johnson is.”

    Oh I don’t know, he was quite a mean snooker player wasn’t he?

  42. Ted S–BiND is a peddler of defeat. Don’t care if it is his honest opinion. His foolish love of rules his foes don’t give a shite about and will use as bog roll if they win marks him as a latter day Col Blimp. If Johnson was as big a chump as BiND he would lose.

    As for MPs being arrested –you are right–I didn’t say I had the power to make it happen . But don’t come with your trite “wisdom” here. You US-eless buggers have your star witness to evil murdered right under your eyeballs and the boss class have labelled it suicide and had it all but forgotten in less than 3 weeks. Motes and beams etc.

    Pukey–Essex caravan? If you are a Brexit supporter Tim Worstall is the King of Proossia.

    Fuck off.

  43. Bloke in North Dorset

    On lighter note as I need cheering-up:

    Arctic tours ship MS MALMO with 16 passengers on board got stuck in ice on Sep 3 off Longyearbyen, Svalbard Archipelago, halfway between Norway and North Pole. The ship is on Arctic tour with Climate Change documentary film team, and tourists, concerned with Climate Change and melting Arctic ice. All 16 Climate Change warriors were evacuated by helicopter in challenging conditions, all are safe. 7 crew remains on board, waiting for Coast Guard ship assistance.
    Something is very wrong with Arctic ice, instead of melting as ordered by UN/IPCC, it captured the ship with Climate Change Warriors.

    My emphasis. I like his style.

  44. @BiND
    I do like the breathless articles about ice melting and how unprecedented this is which are then followed by equally breathless articles about preserving ancient artefacts which had been previously under the melting ice and now revealed.
    The question of how they came to be there not being raised at any point of course

  45. @John Galt September 8, 2019 at 2:08 pm

    Because in your [newmainia] universe Brexiteers are all working class nazis with tattooed knuckles and scars.

    BrexBox Episode 5 Ffired up, flabbergasted and fuming @10m no deal, cam & art 50

    Leavers pale stale white racist knuckle dragger thicko uneducated loons – The Four suggest not

    Regards,

    “thicko uneducated loon” Pcar MBA BSc DipM

  46. The public are developing a huge suspicion of the political class – poll two weeks ago: 88% do not trust MPs. Few outside London will be suprised at Rudd’s resignation, they’ll wonder why Johnson trusted her.

    .
    Rudd – when Johnson appointed her I said here he was wrong verging on stupid

    Next resignations:
    Claire “Green Shill” Perry – who said she’d resign if Boris won – was idiotic appointment, as was Nickey Morgan

    Appointing his brother – an ardent remoaner – was crazy. Christmas will be fun at the Johnson family home.

    Douglas Murray – good article Link

    .
    UK MPs made ‘significant step in anti-democratic direction’ – Sky News Australia
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWTYfkeQF-0

    Brendan O’Neil has to “go to” Australia to have his opinions aired

    Well done Sky News Australia for a more truthful report than BBC,C4,ITV,SkyUK etc broadcast

  47. Amber “Angry Leftie Facist” Rudd MP discusses why she resigned from the Cabinet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELzWxGSHBD0

    The lies speweth forth like a scorpion on a frog’s back

    FFS MPs have been trying to “get a (good) deal” from EU for Three and a Quarter Years – EU refuse

    We should have left on day one as Tim W advocated.

  48. Isn’t there still a Queens speech to come and doesn’t losing the vote on that constitute losing a vote of no confidence.
    Though I’m sure if Bercow has to rule on that we will suddenly find it isn’t really the case

  49. Mr ecks clearly lives in an Essex caravan. Lol. V sad. Presumably sleeping in a box under Westminster bridge will be a step up for you. Good luck, you’ve got to have a dream

  50. @BniC

    If the opposition stick to their plan of keeping Johnson’s feet to the fire, there’ll be strategic abstaining in a lot of future votes.

  51. @Perry groves September 8, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    Good post. You’ve revealed your true elitist left opinion on poor people who live in slums/caravans, are homeless, pikeys etc.

    Well done. We always knew your support of them was vote seeking theatrics

  52. BiND,

    It’s funny, the whining today. All the remainers saying Boris had taken the party full UKIP. Yeah, and boosted his lead because more Kippers trust him. The more remain tries to stop him and the more he fights, the better it will be

  53. pERRY wHaT IS WiF ThE LeTTeR SiZE? mIDDLE CLASS PRICK WHO THINKS THaT hOW wRKING cLaSS wRITE.

    Don’t fret remainiac scum–all your lies and bullshit are going to come to nothing.

  54. BinC – “I do like the breathless articles about ice melting and how unprecedented this is which are then followed by equally breathless articles about preserving ancient artefacts which had been previously under the melting ice and now revealed.
    The question of how they came to be there not being raised at any point of course”

    Yes, and all the talk about the Greenland ice melting without noticing why the Vikings called the place “Greenland”

  55. Yes, and all the talk about the Greenland ice melting without noticing why the Vikings called the place “Greenland”

    I’ve seen one suggested theory (no idea how accurate this might be) that it was called Greenland so that more recent settlers landing on Iceland would think “hmm, don’t fancy staying here in the cold and snow if the next island is so green!” and move on.

    The Medieval Warm Period (aka, “An Inconvenient Truth to Ecomentalists”) would be happening around the right time that Greenland might actually be green, so the above might well be utter bollocks…

  56. One article on BBC was talking about the disappearance of a glacier that had been there for HUNDREDs of years.

    Nasty humans, etc.

  57. PM in Dublin today, still announcing that “No Deal would be a failure”.

    He either really genuinely wants a deal, or wants us all to think that he does.

  58. Bloke in North Dorset

    The end of the begging of the end tonight as Boris has brought forward proroguing for the Queen’s speech. Last chance to get a GE before 31 Oct and doesn’t look good.

    If he doesn’t get it he’s down to trying to avoid sending the letter, unlikely as he’s said he won’t break the law, resigning or bringing back a watered down version of May’s WA.

    At least the poisoned dwarf has announced he’s off so perhaps we should be thankful for small mercies.

  59. Is Bercow off cos he considers his job is done? Or does he think finally that the game is up?

    Spectator coffee shots podcast says that it’s been reported that Dom Cummings has been saying that those that are damning him for the strategy are going to melt in the next few weeks when what he has up his sleeve is revealed. I bloody well hope so.

    There’s increasingly a fin de siecle feel in the air. Steady as she goes…

  60. MBE–Johnson has to be seen to be doing all he can to deal. Even if the EU give up the backstop–looking less likely than ever–he must know that Treason May’s Turd pie won’t fly–it was already rejected. So he has to make all the noises. He is foolish to have upset TBP but it is highly unlikely that the EU will climb down now. Vardo is the EU’s creature. He will obey his masters even if it meant the return of the Irish Famine.

    Good to see the back of Bercow–jail time for him would have been better still but with weaklings and gutless everywhere we must be glad for what we have.

    As for Cummings–it seems the HoTraitors scum are desperate to get all Tory SPADS communications as per Guido. So they must be far from confident that Cummings hasn’t got moves to play. They are asking about Yellowhammer tho’ and since that was Hammond’s pro-EU treason agit-prop that is a bit strange to say the least.

  61. Good to hear both Javid and Raab sticking to the same line in interviews over the weekend, particularly the polite pushbacks which amounted to why the hell would I tell you what we are planning.

  62. Someone commented t’other day about the worrying thought of the legislature taking over the executive.

    It was a good point, and their behaviour shows how screwed we are without a proper spring clean of parliament.

    Demanding the private communication equipment of private individuals? How fascist can you get?

    Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him?

  63. John Bercow to step down as Speaker of the House of Commons on October 31st

    Sadly irrelevant as this Remain dominated parliament will choose the next one. And if they choose carefully, the new Speaker won’t be vulnerable to having a contested seat.

  64. Bercow has fucked Speaker impartiality for good PJF.

    Future partisan pricks will enjoy a much less easy run than that short-arsed scumbag has enjoyed.

    As for their”Humble Petition” bullshit–I don’t think anything useful will be given them. Just classify it if needs be. Also if they want to know about Yellowhammer–well that was a Hammond remain bullshit Project Fear caper. They won’t want that made public.

  65. Guido has this: (his copyright of course).

    “Remainers in parliament have passed a motion to present a Humble Address to the Queen with the aim of forcing the government to reveal communications with journalists. Downing Street says that “under no circumstances will No. 10 staff comply with Grieve’s demands regardless of any votes in Parliament”. Guido has notified those named in the humble address, with whom he has communicated, that he expects them to protect his rights under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act and notify him in advance of any action or inaction which might potentially prejudice his rights under the Act.

    Article 10 of the Human Rights Act states

    Freedom of expression

    1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

    2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

    Article 10 guarantees the absolute right of journalists to “to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority”. Ironically Grieve was always very keen on this right being incorporated into UK law, it ultimately allows people to take their case to the European Court of Human Rights…”

  66. Bloke in North Dorset

    Someone commented t’other day about the worrying thought of the legislature taking over the executive.

    It was a good point, and their behaviour shows how screwed we are without a proper spring clean of parliament.

    Indeed. Last night we had the ludicrous position of MPs claiming they’ve been silenced whilst voting against a GE.

  67. @Chernyy_Drakon

    But, but, but Grieve, Bercow, BBC/C4 etc say Johnson is the anti-democratic fascist for promising to honour public’s vote to Leave EU and will jail Johnson if he does. Has a UK PM ever been jailed for obeying voters?

    btw I see MPs have a new definition of UK Democracy – democracy in HoC for MPs, public are irrelevant.

  68. @Mr Ecks September 9, 2019 at 11:04 pm

    Thanks. Using HRA against these HRA supporting traitors is a good tactic. Link?

    Re: “1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.”

    IPSO is working on reversing this for Opinion journalists
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/revealed-the-press-regulators-leaked-guidelines-on-islamophobia/

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