The Case of the Nazi Boxer Shorts

Shades of black footie bags:

A white supremacist who owned boxer shorts emblazoned with Nazi swastikas has been found guilty of stirring up racial hatred.

Presumably there actually is a Eulalie that makes the underwear.

This however seems wrong:

Nathan Worrell, 46, from Grimsby had denied 11 race hate offences after being accused of distributing stickers and posters with slogans including “Diversity is White Genocide” and “Refugees Not Welcome”.

Can’t see that those are “race hate”. They may be correct or incorrect statements of course. But the second is clearly an attempt at least at a statement of fact. And there’s nothing to say that refugees are going to be of some other race. A number of English South Africans could be said to be deserving of asylum given what Zuma did to the place……

More seriously though what is now race hate seems to have moved on rather a lot from “Kill the Darkies Now” doesn’t it?

50 thoughts on “The Case of the Nazi Boxer Shorts”

  1. “More seriously though what is now race hate seems to have moved on rather a lot from “Kill the Darkies Now” doesn’t it?”

    Of course it has! After all, what are all these race co-ordinators to do, go find a proper job, or something?

  2. “More seriously though what is now race hate seems to have moved on rather a lot from “Kill the Darkies Now” doesn’t it?”

    That job has been taken by immigrants. Only they want to kill all the whites instead…….bloody immigrants, taking all our race hate jerbs!

  3. How many constituency with a large ethnic population have a white MP? What was Obama’s advantage?

    This really bothers me, and as a milquetoast liberal, it bothers me that it bothers me. You can say that there won’t be some sort of ethnic cleansing, but clearly, a very large percentage of the ethnic minorities are voting based on ethnic group rather than political ideology.

  4. “a very large percentage of the ethnic minorities are voting based on ethnic group rather than political ideology”: even a milquetoast liberal should have seen that coming, surely?

    Otherwise “milquetoast liberal” = someone unacquainted with mankind.

  5. dearieme,

    Well, not exactly. My best mate is a Sikh, I know his family and his friends. They’re all welcoming, highly integrated. His Dad was an arch Thatcherite. And a lot of Hindus I’ve met are the same. I’ve worked with Muslims who are what I’d call “progressive”. They want their daughters well educated, their wife to drive etc.

    I think I had a blind spot for a long time about tribalism. I think I probably met people who had gone beyond that.

  6. @BonM4

    There will be exceptions but it’s a fact that around 84% of muslims voted Labour and that every single UK constituency with 14% or more Muslim population returned a Labour MP.

    It’s the obvious reason why Corbyn turns a blind eye to a little Jew hating.

    2.5 million Muslims, 0.25m Jews.

  7. a very large percentage of the ethnic minorities are voting based on ethnic group rather than political ideology.

    And in the US it is only a matter of time before white people start doing the same thing. Indeed, their continued way of life depends on it.

  8. Bloke on M4
    Individuals are not usually the problem, it’s having a large number, quickly imported, concentrated together and with zero incentive to integrate or broadly accept the culture and traditions of the host nation. Many feel no need to even learn the damn languages and are actively helped not to by the excessive supply of translators and translations.

    As for friendly muslims. They are still muslims and have not renounced the appalling ideology.
    When the real muslims, the ones who actually ape Mo, reach a critical mass and start doing what they always do when they have the numbers in non-muslim countries, what do you think the now-friendly muslim will do?
    They may join in the violence and repression, they may quietly carry out the logistics to make the horror show possible, they may try to keep their head down – they will not be fighting alongside you against the head cases and they will not be hiding you in an attic.

  9. Diversity* + proximity = war

    It’s been this way since the first Cro Magnon kicked the shit out of the first Australopithecus who spilled his pint. This is why we invented nation states in the first place – it’s a damn sight better than the constant tribal genocide you find in the Old Testament.

    *Over a certain %age of population, and not all types of diversity are equal, natch

  10. When you finish fucking up Brexit you should consider getting yourselves a wog version of the first amendment to the constitution.

  11. Dennis – Motes and beams again.

    I’m all for the First Amendment, and the US of States in general, but you have an emerging system of Chinee-style social credit where whites are openly and legally discriminated against in employment and academia, employees are routinely forced to undertake deliberately humiliating diversity “training” where they’re hectored about their “privilege”, Christianity has been successfully driven out of the public square, and people can and do lose their livelihoods if they oppose the diversity race-hate narrative, or the LGBTQWTF narrative, etc etc.

    “A Republic, if you can keep it” said Ben Franklin.

    Well, you failed.

  12. JS,

    “Individuals are not usually the problem, it’s having a large number, quickly imported, concentrated together and with zero incentive to integrate or broadly accept the culture and traditions of the host nation. Many feel no need to even learn the damn languages and are actively helped not to by the excessive supply of translators and translations.”

    If there’s a group, people stay in it. If it’s too small to be useful, they work to join another group. Maybe bring a little of their customs and culture, but essentially integrate.

    “As for friendly muslims. They are still muslims and have not renounced the appalling ideology.”

    It’s just group identity, like people who said they were Christians decades ago, but understood sod all about Christianity.

    Yes, it’s an appalling ideology. But if you go into the written word of Christianity and Judaism, there’s some toxic shit too. The old testament says that the daughters of priests who become prostitutes should be burned in fire. So why are Christians not doing that any more, while many parts of the Islamic world are still medieval?

    I don’t think it’s about Islam. I think it’s about certain places. It’s about how the Middle East isn’t industrialised. If the only way to make money is owning the land, you have a feudal society that behaves much like 14th century Europe. The incentives are that you make money by killing your neighbours.

    For skilled people, this holds no interest. They can make their money doing a desk job and attract women. Most of the people who carry out Islamist terror attacks are losers. People with shit jobs or a life of crime behind them. They’re like the sort of losers who carry out mass shootings in America.

  13. BoM4 – The old testament says that the daughters of priests who become prostitutes should be burned in fire. So why are Christians not doing that any more

    I’m in favour of burnination. It would certainly solve the thot problem.

    Also, James I did nothing wrong.

    Most of the people who carry out Islamist terror attacks are losers

    Sure, but it doesn’t matter. We can safely assume that people whose parents were first cousins, and who believe some beardy warlord went to the Moon on a magic flying horse, probably aren’t going to pay our pensions.

    Do retarded religions create retarded culture, or vice versa? Who cares?

    Our only policy towards the retarded parts of planet Earth should be to keep them out of the civilised bits.

  14. My best mate is a Sikh, I know his family and his friends. They’re all welcoming, highly integrated. His Dad was an arch Thatcherite. And a lot of Hindus I’ve met are the same. I’ve worked with Muslims who are what I’d call “progressive”.

    I doubt that even British racists have much of a problem with Britain’s Hindus and Sikhs. Those of my acquaintance are patriotic, law-abiding and very often married outside their faith/culture/ethnicity.

    There are of course progressive Muslims (ie those who have abandoned the backwards beliefs of their forbears) but accepting the right of your missus to drive a car is hardly progressive! Ask them about Israel, or whether their educated daughter ought to marry a white Christian.

    Worldwide, every nation with a Muslim majority is a backwards shithole. Every nation with a significant Muslim minority has trouble with that minority, because it will not live in peace with its neighbours.

    We can’t all be fucking racists.

  15. Steve
    I’m not christian, but the Old Testament was superseded by the New Testament,. The teachings of Christ (as claimed) were pretty benign for the time and place.

  16. “We can’t all be fucking racists.”

    The actions of the Rohingya muslims turned even the Buddhists into rage filled psychopaths.

  17. @BonM4

    “I don’t think it’s about Islam. I think it’s about certain places.”

    And yet, when Hindus or Sikhs or Buddhists come to the UK from those self-same certain places (or damn near them) they don’t seem to form taxi-driver/take-away owner gangs of white-girl rapists.

    There are shit-holes all over the world it only seems that the shit-holes full of Muslims that send us problem people who all seem to be Muslims.

    And Osama Bin Laden hardly came from an impoverished backwater where he lived in squalor.

  18. @Bonm4
    Buddhists, Christians and Muslims follow the example of their founders, one killed people the others didn’t. That is the fundamental difference. Which is why there’s so many problems with Islam.

  19. Dennis, Septic to the Masses

    Over in the U.S., the phrase “It’s OK to be white” is considered racist.

    It will not, however, get you thrown in jail in the USA… which was my point in the first place.

    Dennis – Motes and beams again.

    Steve – Deflection and evasion again. Standard wog procedure when facing legitimate criticism. The prosecution didn’t happen in the USA, did it? Nor will the jailing. And they wouldn’t, either, because of the first amendment. The failings of the Republic don’t enter into the facts of the case, now do they?

  20. Bloke on M4
    “If there’s a group, people stay in it. If it’s too small to be useful, they work to join another group. Maybe bring a little of their customs and culture, but essentially integrate.”

    Which is why I sad that individuals (and by extension small groups) aren’t usually the problem. It’s the wholesale importation of large numbers with no pressure or desire to integrate.

    “It’s just group identity, like people who said they were Christians decades ago, but understood sod all about Christianity.”

    Decades ago, Christianity was a problem in the UK. It had the numbers, even if some were nominal, to impose the will of the more hard line on the majority. As fewer and fewer even pretended to be Christian the power decreased and the religion looked to be on the point of virtually dying out altogether in the UK.
    Mosques are increasing in number in the UK. That doesn’t suggest that there are too many nominals, especially as the nature of much of the preaching there would make the Christian hell-fire preacher of old look like Derek Nimmo.

    “Yes, it’s an appalling ideology. But if you go into the written word of Christianity and Judaism, there’s some toxic shit too. The old testament says that the daughters of priests who become prostitutes should be burned in fire. So why are Christians not doing that any more, while many parts of the Islamic world are still medieval?”

    Because Christianity (and I’m not Christian) takes its attitudes from the New Testament. The teachings of Jesus are fairly benign. Also, again, Christianity could be pretty oppressive when it had the numbers and the desire. It doesn’t now.

    Good luck in finding too many Muslims who admit that “Yes, it’s an appalling ideology.”. Yes, it’s an appalling ideology which most Muslims more or less agree with.
    Are you putting that forward as a defence?

    “I don’t think it’s about Islam. I think it’s about certain places. It’s about how the Middle East isn’t industrialised. If the only way to make money is owning the land, you have a feudal society that behaves much like 14th century Europe. The incentives are that you make money by killing your neighbours.”

    Other non-industrialised cultures aren’t anywhere near the same problem.
    Everything which terrorists do is entirely in keeping with the unchangeable mainstream islamic texts and in accordance with the behaviour of the “perfect man” who all Muslims revere and are supposed to emulate!

    “For skilled people, this holds no interest. They can make their money doing a desk job and attract women. Most of the people who carry out Islamist terror attacks are losers. People with shit jobs or a life of crime behind them. They’re like the sort of losers who carry out mass shootings in America.”

    Muslim terrorists in the UK have been doctors, family men in steady jobs and are generally better educated than the average Muslim. They are no more a bunch of “losers”, however you define it, than the average cross section of society who aren’t bombing or beheading.

  21. @ Dennis, apparent sufferer of some sort of breakdown

    The failings of the Republic don’t enter into the facts of the case, now do they?

    You brought Yankistan into it.

    The failings of our constitution notwithstanding, all of the intersectional race hate nonsense which afflicts the UK, has its roots in Yankistan. Where the law won’t send you to prison for saying it’s OK to be white, but also doesn’t protect you from losing your livelihood for thoughtcrime.

  22. Flubber
    Exactly.
    One question the mainstream media wasn’t keen to ask, “Just how terribly do you have to behave to really, really infuriate Buddhists?”

  23. Andrew C,

    “There are shit-holes all over the world it only seems that the shit-holes full of Muslims that send us problem people who all seem to be Muslims.”

    People in other shitholes around the world tend to try and get into America.

    And there’s a lot of poor countries out there, but they have more industrialisation. Places like Iraq have none. 99% of all their wealth is related to oil. They don’t even have Bangladeshi sweatshops. Where else? Pakistan, Afghanistan. Again, little industrialisation (although growing in Pakistan).

  24. Dennis, Not-Liker Of It Up ‘Im

    Steve – Deflection and evasion again. Standard wog procedure when facing legitimate criticism. The prosecution didn’t happen in the USA, did it? Nor will the jailing. And they wouldn’t, either, because of the first amendment. The failings of the Republic don’t enter into the facts of the case, now do they?

    As my right honourable friend MC said.

    But also this – if you want to change the world, start by tidying your room.

    It’s like when you (wrongly) claimed the US was no longer introducing little kids to sex preverts via the tranny storytime fad in public libraries. We benighted limewogs would be more appreciative of your colonial wisdom if you were able to manifest sanity in your own country.

    So while it’s true that it’s technically not illegal to be racist in the US yet, I’m not particularly heartened by your country’s widespread use of unofficial paramilitary thugs (Antifa) to beat the shit out of right wingers with apparent impunity, the regular ritualistic destruction of white Americans by the media (how’s the former CEO of Papa John’s doing?), or the entrenched racial caste system you chaps created under the guise of “civil rights”.

    In the face of such unpleasant facts, your regular exhortations that we Brits could solve all our problems by being more like the Yanqui seem rather glib, and I am tempted to suppose that General Cornwallis had it right.

  25. Anon,

    “Buddhists, Christians and Muslims follow the example of their founders, one killed people the others didn’t. That is the fundamental difference. Which is why there’s so many problems with Islam.”

    There’s plenty of devout Christian kings who committed mass murder over 500 years ago. Heretics, people of a slightly different variant of Christianity. What was done throughout Europe for hundreds of years with people wearing crosses is what people like ISIS are doing now in the name of Islam.

  26. JS,

    “Decades ago, Christianity was a problem in the UK. It had the numbers, even if some were nominal, to impose the will of the more hard line on the majority. As fewer and fewer even pretended to be Christian the power decreased and the religion looked to be on the point of virtually dying out altogether in the UK.

    Mosques are increasing in number in the UK. That doesn’t suggest that there are too many nominals, especially as the nature of much of the preaching there would make the Christian hell-fire preacher of old look like Derek Nimmo.”

    Mosques are a lot about immigrants, as a meeting place. Lots of people who come from abroad go to a mosque for a while and then stop going.

    “Because Christianity (and I’m not Christian) takes its attitudes from the New Testament. The teachings of Jesus are fairly benign. Also, again, Christianity could be pretty oppressive when it had the numbers and the desire. It doesn’t now.”

    We had holy wars, the inquisition and burning witches under Christianity once. Are there Christians still doing this?

    And yes, it doesn’t have the numbers. That’s sort of my point. Why doesn’t it have the numbers? Why did it become more civilised as a religion? Why did Europe have a Reformation, and Islam didn’t?

    “Good luck in finding too many Muslims who admit that “Yes, it’s an appalling ideology.”. Yes, it’s an appalling ideology which most Muslims more or less agree with.”

    Are there Jews criticizing Judaism because of the stuff about burning whores? Everyone who claims to be religious treats it like a pick and mix counter.

    “Other non-industrialised cultures aren’t anywhere near the same problem.
    Everything which terrorists do is entirely in keeping with the unchangeable mainstream islamic texts and in accordance with the behaviour of the “perfect man” who all Muslims revere and are supposed to emulate!”

    Where is less industrialised than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq? OK, Afghanistan, maybe.

    “Muslim terrorists in the UK have been doctors, family men in steady jobs and are generally better educated than the average Muslim. They are no more a bunch of “losers”, however you define it, than the average cross section of society who aren’t bombing or beheading.”

    That’s simply not the case. There’s a large number of people in low grade jobs, petty criminals. There’s a few people with kids, but not many.

  27. Dear Mr Worstall

    An example of the perpetually moving goal posts. When the wrong kind of people are not breaking enough laws, the breaking point need to be re-invented to make them more easily broken, until stating the bleeding obvious becomes a criminal offence. We seem to have reached that point now.

    DP

  28. BoM4. while it’s true that certain Christian kings, popes and the like murdered plenty of unbelievers:-

    1) They were doing it against the example set by the founder of Christianity, (i.e. for political reasons):

    2) The numbers murdered were pretty puny compared to the number Islam murders regularly.

    For instance, I doubt the Inquisition murdered as many heretics in it’s whole existence as the RoP murder in a month.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

  29. Are there Jews criticizing Judaism because of the stuff about burning whores? Everyone who claims to be religious treats it like a pick and mix counter.

    Yeah but generally they don’t slaughter their fellow citizen and rape their kids.

  30. Kevin B,

    “They were doing it against the example set by the founder of Christianity, (i.e. for political reasons):”

    Yeah, but it’s in the name of God (or our version of God as the other version is heresy). You don’t invade a land saying it’s so you can rape some women, steal their treasure and have the peasants making you richer and fatter.

    It’s what everyone gets wrong about ISIS. These are a bunch of guys trying to grab oil wealth, get some women to use as sex slaves. They’re not risking their lives to spread some sky fairy around. That’s just what they say because it’s a better defence than bitches and Benjamins.

  31. MC,

    “Yeah but generally they don’t slaughter their fellow citizen and rape their kids.”

    They did though, didn’t they? Catholic/protestants would go murdering their countrymen, wouldn’t they?

  32. Bloke on M4
    “Mosques are a lot about immigrants, as a meeting place. Lots of people who come from abroad go to a mosque for a while and then stop going.”

    Evidence? There are increasing numbers of mosques which would be odd if they had so many people stop going.
    Look at the average CofE church if you want to see what “stop going” looks like.

    “We had holy wars, the inquisition and burning witches under Christianity once. Are there Christians still doing this?”

    Get back to us when you find any evidence of Christ advocating this.
    Breaking News: Bad people often do bad things using whatever justification, however spurious, is to hand.
    On the other hand, Islam actually advocates, explicitly, committing atrocities. The very atrocities which its originator actually carried out. The originator whose example Muslims are supposed to follow.
    If you can’t see the difference then there really is no point in continuing.

    “And yes, it doesn’t have the numbers. That’s sort of my point. Why doesn’t it have the numbers? Why did it become more civilised as a religion? Why did Europe have a Reformation, and Islam didn’t?”

    Academic. Islam hasn’t reformed or weakened and isn’t going to for the foreseeable future.

    “Are there Jews criticizing Judaism because of the stuff about burning whores? Everyone who claims to be religious treats it like a pick and mix counter.”

    When Jews start burning whores quoting the Torah as justification let me know.

    “Where is less industrialised than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq? OK, Afghanistan, maybe.”

    Oh, those poor little oil-rich countries. If they wanted to industrialize then they could have afforded to do so at any time in the last half century or more.

    “That’s simply not the case. There’s a large number of people in low grade jobs, petty criminals. There’s a few people with kids, but not many.”

    Glasgow terrorists – a doctor and an engineer

    7/7 bombers – one was married and worked in a school
    one worked in a shop, one had a child and a pregnant wife, another was a married carpet-fitter, the last was only a teenager but had been to college to study Business and was a member of football and cricket teams.

    Lee Rigby’s Killers: One had studied Sociology at University, the other had also been to college.

    Westminster attacker had worked in several places as a TEFL including a Luton College.

    Manchester Bomber: University of Salford

    London Bridge Attack: One with wife and two children, one a
    Pastry Chef, married with daughter,

    Oh and here’s a report about the recruitment of doctors to Islamic terrorism,
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1556553/45-Muslim-doctors-planned-US-terror-raids.html

  33. ISIS suicide bombers are not motivated by money. There’s no point in discussing anything with anyone who believes that. Suicide bombers do not make money because they are dead.

  34. BonM4

    And if we were having this discussion 500 years ago it would be fair to point out christianity’s faults.

    But, sorry, I don’t care what happened 500 years ago. It’s irrelevant. It is not an excuse or justification for Muslim activity today.

    What are you expecting? A laid back acceptance of Islam with the indulgent hope that by the year 2519 they’ll have grown out of it?

  35. Guilty of stirring up racial hatred – BBC/C4 etc do that every day by insulting and denigrating straight white British.

    …During the trial Worrell described himself as an “ethno-nationalist” and said he did not believe in diversity or multiculturism…

    I believe Gov’t imposed diversity and/or multiculturism is wrong and damaging the UK

    …Can’t see that those are “race hate”…

    Agree

    This is race/religion hate:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1l1HqEnsSY

  36. @MC September 5, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    I doubt that even British racists have much of a problem with Britain’s Hindus and Sikhs. Those of my acquaintance are patriotic, law-abiding and very often married outside their faith/culture/ethnicity.

    Did you miss the Labour Sikh MP in HoC yesterday stating Johnson is a racist?

    .
    @Flubber September 5, 2019 at 12:53 pm, September 5, 2019 at 1:10 pm
    @Andrew C September 5, 2019 at 1:20 pm, September 5, 2019 at 7:46 pm
    @JS September 5, 2019 at 1:56 pm, September 5, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    +11

    .
    @BoM4 September 5, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    Muslim terrorists in the UK have been doctors, family men in steady jobs…

    Is true

    eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack

  37. Did you miss the Labour Sikh MP in HoC yesterday stating Johnson is a racist?

    IMHO it’s the “Labour” part, not the “Sikh” part, that makes him a cunt.

  38. Although there is a lot of similarity between the Koran and the Old Testament, the key difference is that Christians* believe that the Bible was written by humans who were divinely inspired, but still fallible. And it’s been translated – mostly two or three times – which leaves plenty of scope for interpretation.

    Whereas, to be a Muslim, you must believe that the Koran was dictated by an Angel to Mohammed, and is literally the unmediated word of God. To question this will quickly get you into a lot of trouble – see S Rushdie. There’s still scope for Islamic scholars to discuss the meaning of the words, but the words themselves are sacred and remain in the original Arabic (although 7th century Arabic bears about as much resemblance to the modern form as Old English does to the vernacular – try reading Beowulf in the original!)

    * I don’t know enough about Judaism to comment on their views, but I suspect there are differences between Reformed and traditional views. Certainly Rabbis have been dissecting the words of the Pentateuch for millennia.

  39. “What are you expecting? A laid back acceptance of Islam with the indulgent hope that by the year 2519 they’ll have grown out of it?”

    That appears to be the argument of the appeasers of Islam, yes. Because Christianity encouraged all manner of fighty stuff hundreds of years ago, we had better let Islam do the same today without treating them like the bunch of evil fascist arseholes they are, because that would be wrong…………….the irony is that such attitudes probably have their root in Christian teaching – let he who is without sin cast the first stone/judge not lest ye be judged etc.

  40. @Chris Miller
    Good explanation, although I would like to add in Islam the Koran is not the only source of truth. The hadiths are Sira of Muhammad are as well.
    So when someone says x is not in the Koran they are being disingenuous, as it does not mean that Islam does not teach x.

  41. Bloke in North Dorset

    “That appears to be the argument of the appeasers of Islam, yes. Because Christianity encouraged all manner of fighty stuff hundreds of years ago, we had better let Islam do the same today without treating them like the bunch of evil fascist arseholes they are, because that would be wrong…………….the irony is that such attitudes probably have their root in Christian teaching – let he who is without sin cast the first stone/judge not lest ye be judged etc.”

    Enlightenment thinkers had to work it through from first principles and then persuade the church to change its ways.

    Islam can learn from that example without having to do the hard thinking, but steadfastly don’t. Its almost like they enjoy their barbaric culture.

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