This is just going to sweep those Northern seats, isn’t it?

Jeremy Corbyn will scrap controls on immigration and hand foreign nationals the right to vote in future elections and referendums if Labour wins power.

The Labour leader will head into the next election promising to extend freedom of movement to migrants around the world, along with abolishing detention centres, under plans approved on Wednesday.

TBP doesn’t have to do a Tommy Robinson to be able to appeal to that voter base either.

47 thoughts on “This is just going to sweep those Northern seats, isn’t it?”

  1. No wonder Jezza’s puppet masters think that the only way he will make PM is by the taking control of Parliament through a Remainer Commons without all the bother of a GE.

  2. Labour could have a policy to sacrifice everyone’s first born child to Moloch – they’d still get seats in the rotten boroughs of the north. Depressing.

  3. Silverite-That is just wrong. “My Dad voted Labour ” now understands “My Dad wouldn’t have voted for these cunts”.

    That doesn’t mean the Tories but ZaNu is largely played out–which is why the want their imports and why they want them voting as soon as they arrive.

  4. The Blob in Glasgow switched from Labour to SNP en masse. Just a different colour uniform, I suppose, but illustrates that the tribal affiliation may not be as strong as assumed.

  5. A typical 60-80 year old Labour voter from a colliery village thinks Corbyn is merely a Scandi-style social democrat, antisemitism accusations are a Tory and right wing media smear campaign, and the Tories are evil.

  6. Silverite,

    I think this is long played out.There used to be a very strong bond between workers, union and Labour. People voted straight Labour. And there was a lot of sense in that for them.

    One thing is that the people who have deeply rooted union/labour links in the north are getting older. Someone in Barnsley aged 30 was born 5 years after the pits were closed. They’ve never been part of that union thing, never worked a union job, not seen Blair do a lot for their town. Seen lots of immigration.

    There’s been a realignment of politics building since Thatcher. The metropolitan liberals in government jobs just don’t fit with the working classes in a warehouse. The sort of bloke who runs a small business, plays golf and goes to the Conservative Club is more in tune with them. I think the alignment (and Cameron wasted a decade not doing this) is towards a party of the taxpayers, against a party of the tax takers.

  7. Ecks and Rob have it right.

    Sauce: my previously Labour-voting working class parents still live in the council flat they were able to buy thanks to Maggie Thatcher, still hate the Tories, but also hate Labour now too.

  8. Bloke in North Dorset

    It’s more that they won’t vote Tory. But the Brexit party might be a different matter.

    A very good proxy would be to look at seats where UKIP did well when Farage was leader. These are also the seats that the Tories should quietly ignore in their campaign strategy.

    Having said that, Johnny Mercer was ordered to ignore his seat and campaign elsewhere, he ignored them and came in with a very unlikely win and then hold.

  9. The Left venerate the Goddess Thatcher, Her who retained power after leaving office and even after dying.
    They use Her name in ritual chants, they use Her name in discussions of current wrongs to right.
    Perhaps they even call on Her during periods of unemployment.

    Never of course accepting that their own ideas, their own policies, their own actions could have anything to do with people choosing to vote for someone other than Labour.

  10. Bloke in North Dorset

    I think this is long played out.There used to be a very strong bond between workers, union and Labour. People voted straight Labour. And there was a lot of sense in that for them.

    There’s been a realignment of politics building since Thatcher.

    That’s as much to do with Callaghan being the last of the generation genuinely believed in, and had respect for, the working man. Maggie also understood the aspirations of the working class, and was fought bitterly by her own party.

    Since then politics and the unions mostly have been hijacked by professional politicians who pay lip service to the working man. There’s still a few good ones, but they are few and far apart.

  11. Ecksy, CM, BoM4,

    Appreciate the comments.
    I’m from the “norf”, and still live here. Don’t claim any special insight, but here are a few of my observations.

    – using Rotherham as an example; even having an MP dismissed for accounting fraud, and having local government look the other way while thousands of girls were raped wasn’t enough to persuade tribal Labour voters to vote for a different party.
    – the elephant in the room: the increasing number of imports who can be guaranteed to vote on racial lines. There’s also an ever-growing welfare dependent underclass who will vote the same way.
    – voter apathy: I can imagine lots of voters looking at recent events and thinking what’s the point. Add postal vote fraud to low turnouts and Labour’s imported pets can have an impact disproportionate to their numbers.

    On the upside, my dad, former miner and former labour voter, HATES Corbyn. Also says he hasn’t met anyone who likes the man. It’s also true (as BoM4 says) that younger voters don’t have the same connection to Labour that their parents might have had.

    I hope I’m being too pessimistic anyway, and would be glad to see a Brexit Party landslide.

  12. Its something of a myth that Northerners are all sub human bigots actually. The big numbers for Brexit were delivered by Hampshire Cornwall Essex and the like
    Wales gets the same bum rap . The areas that voted to Leave were those areas infested with incontinent retired English parasites moving into cheap Property (and , taking their chance to wreck the local economy whilst they do so )

  13. “The big numbers for Brexit were delivered by Hampshire Cornwall Essex and the like”

    South East of England – 51.8 leave – 48.2 remain
    South West of England – 52.6 – 47.4

    North West England 53.7% – 46.3%
    North East England 58 – 42

    Like Spud, Newmania thinks if he says something he desperately wants to believe, then it must be true.

  14. my previously Labour-voting working class parents still live in the council flat they were able to buy thanks to Maggie Thatcher, still hate the Tories, but also hate Labour now too.

    Which “should” allow The Brexit Party a good showing if they can manage to focus their efforts on winnable seats.

  15. Take your “kind” words Facepainter and shove them up your traitor’s arse.

    Silverite–More migrants is the dealbreaker IMHO. That is an own goal for the Ages. And limitless cash extracted from us to pay for them. Only the very very dim will fail to see the plan is to have us as a despised minority in our own nation.

    And middle class Marxist London Bubble Proggie traitor scum like Facepainter who thinks it won’t affect him. Even tho’ Jizz will have his dirty fingernails in the Face’s hide to pay for all the migrant votes–from Day 1 of Marxrule.

  16. “The areas that voted to Leave were those areas infested with incontinent retired English parasites moving into cheap Property (and , taking their chance to wreck the local economy whilst they do so )”

    The area with the biggest leave vote was the East Midlands – 58.8 – 41.2

  17. “Jeremy Corbyn will scrap controls on immigration and hand foreign nationals the right to vote in future elections and referendums if Labour wins power”

    This is the Telegraph writing not-quite-nonsense but not-quite-truth either.

    What’s true is that such a motion passed Labour conference and the Tories would do best to publicise it far and wide on social media in the next few days/weeks. It does indeed show the gulf between the Labour Party as a right-on political class, and the communities it traditionally represented.

    What’s not true is that this is now a Labour manifesto commitment, and it’s very unlikely to all make it into one. Indeed Conference grassroots now have much less power to set Labour policy – it will have to go through hierarchy-dominated committee stages for that and they’re likely to take a more practical view on electoral impact. “Scrapping the regime of Hostile Environment” will almost certainly make it in. “No reference will be made to a migrant’s income or economic utility in any policy to decide who can come to the UK” is rather less likely, though I can imagine dropping income requirements for family reunions (a persistent demand from some BME communities) it seems unlikely the idea of high-skill visas will ever be scrapped.

  18. Silverite,

    Thanks for the comment. Food for thought.

    “On the upside, my dad, former miner and former labour voter, HATES Corbyn.”

    Almost everyone does. The only people who like Corbyn are hardcore Labour. You could make Mr Tumble the leader of the Labour party and get as many votes, maybe more as there aren’t any photographs of him laying a wreath for a member of Black September.

  19. Yes Andrew, but the numbers, the numbers , the Northern numbers are not big enough.
    If, however, you force me to admit that the North is full to the brim with the sort of knuckle dragging social coelacanth who still thinks Enoch got it right , I shall bear that defeat with fortitude

  20. “There is a limit to the number of (and I’m going to use this word in an entirely neutral sense) aliens who can be brought into a nation, particularly as close-knit and concentrated a nation as Britain is, without breaking the bounds of that society and setting up intolerable frictions and stresses as damaging to one side as to the other. Now, this is a question of number. But the relationship between number and difference is clearly important, because the more different they are – and colour is a signal, an outward signal of differences (not significant in itself, but it signalizes other differences that one can’t deny) – the greater the difference, the smaller the numbers that can at any one time be accepted without breaking, or being thought to break (which comes to the same thing if we’re talking about psychology), the framework of a nation and a society. So it’s numbers.”

    Enoch Powell, 19th May 1969

  21. My (ex)wife had to live and work in this country, with no recourse to the state, for seven years before being allowed – as a *citizen* – to vote here, and he wants people to be able to walk straight off an aeroplane straight into a polling station????

    NO NO NO.
    Voting rights are citizens’ rights. If you want to vote, become a citizen.
    (Yes, and this means stripping non-British Commonwealth and Irish citizens of the UK franchise. We are no longer an Empire, they are no longer our citizens, stop pretending they are still our territories but with their own little flags and funny local assemblies.)

  22. Theo

    One of the most unfairly traduced people in UK history. Interestingly, I recall picking up in Hay-on-Wye a 1969 book ‘The rise of Enoch Powell’ and although fiercely critical of his views, it at least acknowledged he himself was willing to clarify any question asked even if he knew it would be used to paint him in an unflattering light. A true believer in unfettered debate and much missed. And As Steve said, what precisely did he get wrong so gratuitously. Barely a day goes by without racial attacks in the capital. Knife crime out of control. Parts of the country entirely colonised by incomers. It all sounds quite familiar…..

  23. Wales gets the same bum rap . The areas that voted to Leave were those areas infested with incontinent retired English parasites moving into cheap Property (and , taking their chance to wreck the local economy whilst they do so )

    Balls.

    Sort the table here for Wales on Leave vote, descending:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Wales

    Eight of the top ten are industrial areas. Do you think English hippies and pensioners are moving to Blaenau Gwent, Torfaen, Port Talbot, Newport? Dream on.

  24. The rural, pretty areas, most prone to migration, are all at the bottom – Anglesey, The Vale, Monmouthshire, Gwynedd, Ceredigion.

  25. @ Newmania
    It is perfectly true that Northerners are not sub-human bigots – we are mostly superhuman non-bigots. Over the period where I know the data, nearly 20% of the children at my northern school went to Oxbridge (and it should have been over 20%, the Scots girl chose St. Andrew’s instead and my little sister – noticeably brighter than I, having spent more in hospital than school during her ‘A’ level year, only went to London). My schoolfriends were racially assorted: English, Scots, Jewish, half-Polish (a Polish Battle-of-Britain RAF pilot had married an English Wren), South African, (later they also included Swiss, Nigerian, Indian, Chinese) I was nearly half-Welsh, one of our teachers was French, married to an Irishman.
    Those who joke about Hartlepool should note that they had a gay, ex-Communist, Jew as an MP from 1992-2004.

    The bigots are people like you who think that the large majority for “leave” in the North-East was due to racialism rather than the EU banning the UK government from rescuing the Redcar steelworks from dumped imports from state-subsidised Chinese factories (while being prepared to help continental companies). Middlesbrough was the birthplace of steel and its heritage was buried by Brussels.

  26. Edward Lud
    “Coelacanths have knuckles?”

    They’re evolving them. When they’ve finished they’ll be dragging themselves around northern towns on them.

  27. Bloke in North Dorset

    The only region of England not to vote Leave was Londonistan.

    One thing I learned on my travels is that no capital city is representative of the country. I learned that by mostly working with natives of those countries, most of whom weren’t natives of the capital.

    I also learned that capital cities tend to be the richest part of a country because they were the seat of government. I learned that because I had to do business plans for telecoms networks which meant looking at wealth distribution be many factors, including employment and business type.

    I concluded long before I worked as a technical adviser to the UK government that we need to move the seat of government regularly so that a country doesn’t get run by a bunch of self centred, self perpetuating class of people who sneer at the rest of the country AKA the Establishment, whilst living higher on the hog because they benefit from being close to the seat of government, if not actually working for said government. Working for the government as a technical adviser confirmed that belief.

    I have a very good friend and former business partner who lives in North Wales but is currently working as a technical adviser on transport to the Wales government and so spends most if his working time in Cardiff. He has observed exactly the same there.

  28. BiND – Yarp, but it’s not just capitals that are antisocial.

    The evidence from the last 50 years of unprecedented urbanisation across the planet is that living in cities makes women sterile and insane and turns men into chinless, manbunned wimps. Even China’s historic fecundity has withered under the peevish metrosexual glare of living in concrete hives like Calhoun’s rats.

    Nobody except Eastern European populists seems to worry about this, but why? It’s a far greater and much more imminent threat to our security, prosperity and civilisation itself than climate change.

    So Genghis Khan and/or the folks from Summerisle did nothing wrong.

    Burn down the cities
    Hang the blessed Speaker

  29. MBE–The conference did the damage–they may not put it in their manifesto–but everyone not pigshit thick knows their plans for the future–and of course even if the manifesto does not have it in it they as sure as fuck will not rule it out. And who now would trust them even if they did?

    All should note that the Facepainting fuckwit STILL thinks he is immune from a 3rd world mass import. If he is in fact Bliar’s jockstrap or Pisshead Campbell’s sick bag that might be true but in ANY other circs he is one of the mugs to be robbed to pay the handouts. A Me,Me,Me turd like the Face is ALL about money and gain and he will have the Mother of All Nervous Breakdown’s if even a tiny glimmer of the truth breaks into the Stygian darkness of his brain.

  30. @Timmy

    You missed Labour’s new policy on housing:

    – Build millions of council houses
    – Confiscate empty dwellings
    – Regulate house prices esp new builds
    – Rent controls
    – No evictions at end of tenancy

  31. Jussi,

    I work with 3 ex mining engineers in Barnsley. Not one of them is going to vote Labour again. Brexit Party now. They actually think Boris is better than Corbyn.

  32. @ BiND
    When I was working in Bratislava I was informed that prior to WWI (and, maybe, WWII), Slovaks were the fourth-largest minority being outnumbered by Germans (I think he included Germans and Austrians as one group), Hungarians and Jews.
    We are not – yet – outnumbered by Jews in London.

  33. m’Lud / BiS

    Rest assured that the hollow and tattoed knuckles of the cœlacanth are as much an evolutionary certainty as the pigtail of Pippi Climatestocking being able to girdle the world at the equator.

    Long before then, retired and incontinent English parasites will have died off and been replaced by an uncontrollably micturating Newmania. Who can honestly claim that they would not relish the prospect of his being left to macerate in a vat of his own wee?

  34. On a Brexit Party stall this morning, one of my crew met a 70-year-old who had joined the Labour Party on the day he started work, aged 15, and backed them all his life.

    He’s now going to vote Brexit Party.

  35. Martin: “The Left venerate the Goddess Thatcher (…) Never of course accepting that their own ideas, their own policies, their own actions could have anything to do with people choosing to vote for someone other than Labour.”

    The Left: “Boris shouldn’t say ‘surrender’, because that makes bigoted xenophobic knuckle-dragging uneducated racist Little Englander morons dislike us, which we totally don’t deserve.”

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