Well, yes, suppose so

Why do so many men have such poor prospects? There are various theories including, Lichter notes, the “gig economy of unstable, low-paying service jobs”. But you know what’s easier than blaming the economy? Blaming women! The fact women are struggling to find suitable husbands has caused glee in conservative circles. US shock-jock Rush Limbaugh says this story shows feminism has come back to bite women “in the butt”. “They’re earning money, but they still have the same attitude about marriage,” he crowed.

I hate to say this, but Limbaugh does have a very tiny point. I’m struck by how many empowered women regress to the 1950s when it comes to marriage. They fight for equality at work, but still have traditional expectations when it comes to men proposing with expensive diamond rings. And the idea that marrying a rich dude is something one should aspire to is still very much entrenched in society. The rise of “economically unattractive” men isn’t just bad news for guys – it reflects poorly on us all.

Why would the last 50 years of increasing economic equality change the 100,000 years of hypergamy?

16 thoughts on “Well, yes, suppose so”

  1. I hate to say this, but Limbaugh does have a very tiny point

    Or “is correct”, to put it in English.

    If the past 30 years of cultural warfare had left the victors, men, with delusions that every one of them deserves for a wife a woman who looks like a supermodel but is happy to spend all day in the home cooking, cleaning and looking after the kids everyone would laugh at them.

    The expectations of many women on the men they expect are as unrealistic, yet they blame the men.

  2. ‘The rise of “economically unattractive” men isn’t just bad news for guys – it reflects poorly on us all.’

    On a sauce for the goose principle, I suppose he’s right.

    OTOH, are men to be prevented from choosing good-looking women to marry?

    Such an ugly, unhappy world these people inhabit, isn’t it?

  3. Assumption of gender, mention of heterosexuality and marriage, even admitting Rush Limbaugh might be even slightly correct – this hater won’t last long. They will be under the concrete foundations of the Guardian building, phase 2.

  4. Single women want to earn as much as men, soon to be married women want their husbands to earn twice as much as them so they can give up work.

    I’ve reading this since the sixties. It bubbles up to the top of the news file every few years but is obviously an irreconcilable contradiction.

  5. Almost like some kind of biological hardwiring exists in women to look for a man able to look after them and a child?

    But that would be the opposite of feminism where gender and sex are socialised.
    But the same as LGBT where those traits are hardwired.

    My doublethink training has stopped working, now I have a headache….. I might just vote for Independence and or conservative policies….

  6. They fight for equality at work

    Do they fuck.

    Statements like these make me wonder if the author or authortrix actually knows any women IRL. Put a bunch of girls together in the workplace and it’s very quickly a Lady Of The Flies type situation.

  7. This is also down to the fucking narcissists not getting a good talking to.

    I’ve met parents who enthusiastically say things like “oh, Johnny is going to do a degree in photography”. Did you go and do your own research and check if that’s a good idea, because I can tell you that unless Johnny is exceptional and willing to work really hard, that’s a giant waste of time and money. Photography is wildly oversaturated with people.

    Same with people who want to make video games, start a band, become an actor, do a craft ale brewery. Want to make money from brewing? Buy and sell brewing equipment. There’s a whole lot of hipsters starting breweries and dumping their stuff 2 years later when it doesn’t work out.

  8. Steve,

    “They fight for equality at work”

    I read something about the hiring of women of a spawning age, and managers who wouldn’t do it, and female managers who will do it are a similar percentage to men (something like 29% of women and 32% of men).

  9. BoM4 – Yarp.

    And that’s the least of it. Cliques, girls running to the toilets for a cry, endless excuses for why their fuckups weren’t their fault, and pissing off at 5.30 on the dot pretty much sums up the typical lady-filled office.

    (And I say this as someone who loves women and thoroughly enjoys doing sex to them)

    Otoh, feminists are dying alone in the world they asked for. And to that, I say HA HA HA HA HA!

  10. Females have looked for “best genes, best nest” since time immemorial.

    CM can’t “fix” that.

    Another Limbaugh quote: “Feminism was invented so that ugly women can get a man.”

  11. A man is like the Irish border backstop. If you’re a woman and things don’t work out for you career wise, or the going gets tough when you hit your late 30s, it’s always good to have a man around to take up the slack.

  12. Men also have unrealistic expectations. If you give degrees to half the population, the value of a degree is debased. Just like GCSEs. But hey! I have a sociology 2:2 from London Metropolitan, so I’m worth it.

  13. I’ll pay attention to feminists when supermodels start marrying unemployed dudes.

    Until then, the harpies shouting that men are bastards for judging women on looks, maternal instincts and other traditional female qualities, is, in the words of the bard, “just a tale, Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.”

  14. Yes, Daniel. Feminism is decadence. Men keep women alive and safe. Women have become so comfortable that they attack the people who keep them alive and safe.

    “Men have sacrificed and crippled themselves physically and emotionally to feed, house, and protect women and children. None of their pain or achievement is registered in feminist rhetoric, which portrays men as oppressive
    and callous exploiters.” – Camille Paglia

  15. Hey Tim (and readers): my new-ish colleague at Southern Utah University, Jeff Swigert, co-authored the paper that The Guardian piece is referring to. It must be good stuff: they are getting tons of press, with both people on the left and right angry.

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