Amazingly, it’s not all about youOctober 30, 2019 Tim WorstallRagging on Ritchie39 CommentsThis election is not about Brexit, it’s about the Green New Deal Sigh. previousOh, really?nextIt appears that I agree with Ted Nugent* 39 thoughts on “Amazingly, it’s not all about you” Chris Miller October 30, 2019 at 10:07 am Even if you’re a fanatical Remainer and believe the tealeaf-readers in the Treasury, a WTO Brexit would only reduce the rate of growth in GDP by 0.7% pa. The Green New Deal, as proposed by Labour in general and McDonnell in particular, would have an impact at least 10x more severe. So yes, in a way, it is about the Green New Deal. Mr Ecks October 30, 2019 at 10:13 am Pile all the shite in the world onto the remainiac side. It will all help us. Since you are on this morning Theo–allow me to express my personal animosity to that shower of shite who’s expenses you defer. That is the Tory Party hierarchy (as opposed to the members who seem largely decent if misguided). They are scum. Thanks to Blo-jo we now have a ref re-run with a high likelihood of a Leaver split. Double thanks to Treason May of course who did the set-up for it. But Blo has proved to be a bag of wind who loves his CBI-style Krony pals and their EU connections lots more than the people of this nation. Of course we cannot now give the Tories the kicking they deserve because we will lose Brexit if we do. So tactical voting it must be ONE LAST TIME at least. Brexit is far more important. After this the time has come for no more acceptance that polipig scum get in and then do as they feel like for the next five years and fuck what they promised. Laws for the recall of MPs etc. And if–as is inevitable–the pork renage on their promises then we hold private recall votes to end their legtimacy. And more direct action. Worzel October 30, 2019 at 11:04 am Richie’s had instructions from his lefty paymasters. They know full well that once Leave-voting Labour constituencies get their chance to throw out their MP’s who have defied their will for 3 years, it’s all over for the party for a generation. Expect to hear a lot more clumsy attempts at distraction over the next 6 weeks from the usual suspects, which is only going to make their elector base feel even more contempt for the fuckers. Labour. Still not getting it, even at the end. Jim October 30, 2019 at 11:31 am “Even if you’re a fanatical Remainer and believe the tealeaf-readers in the Treasury, a WTO Brexit would only reduce the rate of growth in GDP by 0.7% pa. The Green New Deal, as proposed by Labour in general and McDonnell in particular, would have an impact at least 10x more severe.” Being a bit poorer and not in the EU is the end of the world, while being a LOT poorer while in the EU is saving the planet of course, silly! Newmania October 30, 2019 at 12:07 pm December Election I`m dreaming of a white Britain Where Brexit gives us all good cheer Where posh fat liars Make jolly fires Of every value we held dear I`m dreaming of a white Britain Although I claim its something more Like the constitution The slow dilution Of Sovereign powers I abhor But I`m dreaming of a white Britain With Turkey (joining ), Snowflakes still.. So lets spend spend spend on the present And let our children foot the bill Ching ching ching Ching ching ching Ho ho ho ho Andrew C October 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm @Newmania You’ll never get back the time you spent writing that drivel. Mr Ecks October 30, 2019 at 1:38 pm Facepainter’s entire treasonous life is a waste of time and oxygen. And his skills as a poet reflect his Da Vinci-like capabilities. He is cockrot given shape by a cheap suit. Jussi October 30, 2019 at 2:00 pm I wouldn’t underestimate the utter stupidity of the lefty electorate.Tories are scum, NHS privatisation, coal mines in the past, fracking, austerity, remember Thatcher?, Grenfell, Windrush, you name it. Instead we could have proper trains running in time, lower energy bills and a gentler, kinder political culture. Andrew C October 30, 2019 at 2:11 pm “coal mines in the past” Remember that coal mining was a dangerous, life debilitating occupation. It produced coal, which the left say we shouldn’t be burning. But the coal mines should have stayed open at vast subsidised public expense, say the left. It’s also fun to point out to the left the fact (look it up) that more coal miners lost their jobs, more coal mines closed in the 11 years before Mrs T than in the 11 years she was PM. Even funnier to tell young leftards that far from it being the miners + everyone versus Mrs T, that not one single non-miner took even one day off striking in support of the miners and in fact not all the miners went on strike in support of the miners. Another case of it isn’t that socialist know nothing, it’s that they know so much that isn’t true. Andrew C October 30, 2019 at 2:13 pm “gentler, kinder political culture.” Like those lovely socialist countries like China, Venezuela, Cuba, the USSR. Remember Thatcher? I do. Fondly. How old were you when she was first elected? Dennis, He Who Has Never Done Blackface October 30, 2019 at 2:42 pm Has anyone ever seen Newmania and Arnald in the same room? Dennis, Knight Errant of Central Ohio October 30, 2019 at 2:46 pm As my recent enquiries have shown, no one really knows why they want Brexit. Listening to the voices in your head yesterday doesn’t count as a “recent enquiry” as of today. Dennis, Hectoring Pendant October 30, 2019 at 2:54 pm It’s also fun to point out to the left the fact (look it up) that more coal miners lost their jobs, more coal mines closed in the 11 years before Mrs T than in the 11 years she was PM. Even funnier to tell young leftards that far from it being the miners + everyone versus Mrs T, that not one single non-miner took even one day off striking in support of the miners and in fact not all the miners went on strike in support of the miners. Funniest? Mention Arthur Scargill. Any organization that would consent to be lead by Arthur Scargill deserves everything they get good and hard. The fact that the National Union of Mineworkers got it particularly good and hard wasn’t Mrs. T’s fault, it was their own. Bloke in North Dorset October 30, 2019 at 2:58 pm Richie’s had instructions from his lefty paymasters. They know full well that once Leave-voting Labour constituencies get their chance to throw out their MP’s who have defied their will for 3 years, it’s all over for the party for a generation. Interesting insight from Matthew Goodman: #GE2019 will see about 150 Labour MPs & three Lib Dems campaign in Leave seats & 80 Conservative MPs campaign in Remain seats. “No part of the education of a politician”, said Churchill “is more indispensable than the fighting of elections”. Let the doorstep debates commence! Labour and Tories have a tough job on a lot of doorsteps. I don’t buy the argument those Labour leave seats will automatically flip to Tories of TBP, tribal loyalty still runs deep in a lot of those areas. Bloke in North Dorset October 30, 2019 at 3:07 pm It’s also fun to point out to the left the fact (look it up) that more coal miners lost their jobs, more coal mines closed in the 11 years before Mrs T than in the 11 years she was PM. Even funnier to tell young leftards that far from it being the miners + everyone versus Mrs T, that not one single non-miner took even one day off striking in support of the miners and in fact not all the miners went on strike in support of the miners. I know I’ve made the point on here a few times but its worth saying again as we run up to a GE with Labour promising to nationalise the economy… With the exception of a couple of years we had a Labour Government from Oct ’64 to May ’79. During that period just about the whole economy was nationalise, certainly everything on the left’s bucket list. It ended with the winter of discontent which had followed years of strikes by nationalised industries and the only time the NHS hasn’t had a real terms budget increase. Thatcher didn’t spring out of nowhere, she was a product of those years or mismanagement and under investment. Mark October 30, 2019 at 4:47 pm I don’t know what remainiacs actually want other than to express their bile and hatred of leavers. The future if the country seems irrelevant to them. Rob October 30, 2019 at 5:13 pm The election also “isn’t about Brexit”, but the “pro-Remain parties are in talks about not standing against each other”, so that makes sense. newmania October 30, 2019 at 6:18 pm Mark ;I don`t hate Brexit voters. I do find them resentful, humourless often lacking the ballast of ordinary family and working life in England Remainers want objectives of forty years of Conservative Policy. Growth, international competition whilst retaining standards.European enrichment and the pacification that helped suck military dictatorships into the Western orbit. Drawing the West together so NATO was meaningful and seeking to export basic Liberal values. From the UK`s perspective; providing the framework within which the UK has become Europe’s financial and services hub, as well as being connected on tech pharma bio-tech, academic life and just about every forward looking industry there is. Retaining the inward investment we acquired on entry as a single market stepping stone and negotiating as equals with the US and China despite being only a small/medium sized economy, Controlling the Uk`s shocking debts ( now in danger of spiralling out of control) being able to finance schools health and wider opportunities for more and more of our children . In other words making a strong exciting country to be proud of not a stupid timid old ladies armpit of a place known as the idiots that were tricked by a bus or worse still the morons who have prioritised ethnic purity as threatened by a few Poles, over success Do you think England would be competing in the final in Japan if they were run like Brexit Britain ? Half the team would be sent home or would never have come here ? Diogenes October 30, 2019 at 6:53 pm Does anyone have a clue what drugs Violet Elizabeth Facepainter is taking? He seems more fuckwitted than normal today and he hasn’t made any errors of fact, mainly because his delirium is vegan BniC October 30, 2019 at 7:24 pm Lib Dem’s and SNP want to make this about Brexit, looks like both Labour want to make it about post-Brexit to avoid having a position on Brexit and the Tories want to have a mix of post-Brexit with reminders that they will deliver Brexit. The Lib Dem’s and SNP seem to be the most cynical in trying to exploit remainers to hold their nose and vote for them jgh October 30, 2019 at 7:26 pm AndrewC: and an ex-non-striking miner was the now-retired *Conservative* MP for Derbyshire Dales. Edward Lud October 30, 2019 at 7:39 pm Newms, do tell. This NATO of which you speak. Is it the NATO from whose integrated command Europe’s only other meangful military withdrew in 1965? That NATO? If so, isn’t NATO a euphemism for Septics and Brits doing the heavy lifting (to be fair, mostly the Septics)? What does anyone or anything on the continent have, meaningfully, to do with NATO, other than using it as an umbrella? Mark October 30, 2019 at 7:54 pm @Newmania So why the hell do you want anything to do with the EU? (please don’t tell me you actually believe the shite you wrote above!!! And Jesus H Christ man what is this obsession with a slogan on the side of a bus. You’d think it was the protocols of the elders of zion the way remainiacs never shut up about it) And what exactly does “lacking the ballast of ordinary family and working life in England” mean? What has a proper immigration policy got to do with “ethnic purity” except in your biased mind? Rugby? I couldn’t give a rat’s arse! But if it was run by remainiacs the way Brexit has been they’d have got as far as Scotland. You know you’re just projecting here don’t you? Newmania October 30, 2019 at 8:01 pm Lud- I understand your point but put it this way. When the UK went out into the world up until now it went out as a key members of NATO and one of the big players in the EU and not an insignificant power in its own right With both the UK and the US turning inward both pillars of security , which were interlinked and broadly represented the political and military West are no longer there We are a much diminished Nation and whilst many people will not care I believed this country had something of value to offer the world Newmania October 30, 2019 at 8:24 pm Rugby? I couldn’t give a rat’s arse! …then we have nothing further to say to eachother . Mark October 30, 2019 at 8:54 pm @Newmania Well you raised it, but if that’s how you want to justify not answering question you know you can’t, fine. Won’t stop me commenting on your inane cockwaffle though, any more than it will stop you posting it! RichardT October 30, 2019 at 8:55 pm jgh said: “an ex-non-striking miner was the now-retired *Conservative* MP for Derbyshire Dales” Still is, isn’t he? Don’t think Parliament has prorogued yet? Andrew C October 30, 2019 at 9:29 pm @Newmania “When the UK went out into the world up until now it went out as a key members of NATO and one of the big players in the EU” Wow. So the UK never went out in the world before NATO and the UK? How the fuck did we create an empire and fight two world wars before we “went out into the world”? And we are still a member of NATO. You really don’t think through any of the shyte you write, do you? Pcar October 30, 2019 at 9:50 pm @Edward Lud October 30, 2019 at 7:39 pm NATO Adding to the “to be fair” former USSR, esp Baltic, nations add more than the 4 operational Typhoons & zero Tornados Germany can muster once a week Bloke in North Dorset October 30, 2019 at 9:56 pm Those that claim the EC/EEC/EU has kept the peace in Europe have a point, but from observation they obviously don’t know why because they run away from the NATO argument. The NATO argument doesn’t work because NATO is about external threats and Article 5 cannot be invoked in a dispute between two members. So, if Germany did decide to send its Army waltzing* towards Paris again we aren’t obliged to help the French (or Germans) if they call on NATO. *They’d have to waltz because theydon’t have any equipment and most of don’t look like they’ve been trained in anything. Pcar October 30, 2019 at 9:56 pm Breaking News Startled rabbit Nicky Morgan standing down – job too difficult A lot of Cameron’s “A-List” are going or have defected – Good The Standing Down List https://order-order.com/2019/10/29/mps-standing-next-election/ Pcar October 30, 2019 at 9:59 pm Then we have the dis-honourables: Antoinette Sandbach – “I want more taxpayer money” a £27,000 payout if she loses rather than if she stands down https://order-order.com/2019/10/30/sandbach-stand-independent/ Explains why Grieve etc doing same. The likelihood it will split Tory vote doesn’t matter to these “Tories” Mr Ecks October 30, 2019 at 10:26 pm BinD–EU have fuckall to do with keeping the peace. The old scum who used to benefit from wars while ordinary folk did the dying realised that–in the Age of the Mushroom Cloud–war might be turning a bit iffy for them and theirs as well as the common ruck. So they joined forces to rip everybody off under the one roof. Mr Ecks October 30, 2019 at 10:30 pm Pcar–will split the remainiac vote. Only those who want an EU victory will vote for garbage like Grieve etc in any case. And that is one less vote that would have gone to the Limp Dicks. Van_Patten October 30, 2019 at 11:40 pm BiND Ask the relatives of Srebrenica victims whether the EU has ‘kept peace in Europe’ – or indeed the Catalans being imprisoned as I write… BniC October 30, 2019 at 11:44 pm Like the EU suddenly during Brexit declaring how important the Good Friday Agreement was and applauding themselves for all they had done for peace in Ireland and how they couldn’t let that slip. Bloke on M4 October 31, 2019 at 2:41 am BiND, The biggest contributor to peace in Europe (and most of the world) was industrial agriculture like tractors and inorganic fertilisers. You start producing higher yields, your population has fuller bellies, what’s the point in invading your neighbours? Not worth the blood and treasure to get arable land. The tractor became mature in the mid-late 30s and around 1944, the tractor was bigger than the horse in the USA. That’s why there really hasn’t been any war in Europe, pretty much anywhere, since. A few coups, the cod wars, but that’s about it. One of the greatest things I’ve learnt from history and politics is how little difference politicians or political organisations make. In the end, laws of economics, physics etc really run things. Lebensraum was a popular policy in Germany for years before the Nazis took power. Many people who didn’t like the Nazis supported it, and in context of the economics of the 1930s, it made some sense. I mean, we tried having a global organisation to prevent war in the 1930s, the League of Nations, and it failed. You get the tractor, the rules change. Rob October 31, 2019 at 9:27 am The NATO argument doesn’t work because NATO is about external threats and Article 5 cannot be invoked in a dispute between two members. So, if Germany did decide to send its Army waltzing* towards Paris again we aren’t obliged to help the French (or Germans) if they call on NATO. I think NATO kept the peace because the largest culprit, Germany, had over 1/4 million troops from the US and UK to get through first before it could take on the Franks again. It was also some deterrence against the East. Personally, without a NATO military presence, would the EU have acted as a deterrent to Soviet action? Personally, no. I’m not saying there would have been war, there were other deterrents, but the existence of the EU was not one of them. Pcar November 1, 2019 at 12:47 am @all BiND was not saying EU kept peace, only that NATO didn’t keep internal peace. However, EU can’t prevent Germany invading Poland et al again . @Rob October 31, 2019 at 9:27 am +1 Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. 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