Explaining Dorset

Motorists are being sent on a 41-mile diversion because of a 65ft stretch of roadworks.

The small section of the A352 in Godmanstone, Dorset, will be closed between Monday and Friday next week for work on a sewage system.

Just over 65ft of the carriageway will be closed off by workmen but Dorset County Council have given an official diversion measuring an incredible 41 miles that goes via another county.

Be the first time many of the locals will have been out of the county.

One of the things many don’t know. Dorset was one of the poorest places in England from the industrial revolution up to, hmm, perhaps the 1960s? Precisely and exactly because it didn’t actually take part in that industrial revolution.

From a book I recall – agricultural wages there were some 8 shillings a week when up north, in Lancashire and the collection area of labour for the mills they were 25 shillings. Meaning that one group of beneficiaries from the Satanic excrecences was the peeps who didn’t go work in them but could have done.

Or, alternatively, Marx was right about what raises wages, capitalist competition for the profits to be made by employing labour.

30 thoughts on “Explaining Dorset”

  1. Interesting that the long diversion is caused by pedantically applying the A Road Rule without recourse to common sense. The box ticking mentality exposed to all.

    If Marx understood the concept of supply and demand, why did it go on to pretend that it doesn’t exist?

  2. Marxism makes sense only if you understand his caveats. That True Communism arrives when scarcity has been beaten. That is, when supply and demand are no longer interesting.

  3. Any farmer worth his salt should cut holes in his hedge and operate a temporary toll road through his field.

  4. One of the things many don’t know.

    If they didn’t learn about the Tolpuddle Martyrs at school.

  5. They no doubt do, TMB. But it’ll be a learnt as an evil landowners exploiting the poor narrative. There were economic reasons why agricultural wages were falling in Dorset. And these were linked to Dorset being left behind during the industrial revolution.

  6. There was a similar one in the East Midlands a couple of years ago. Didn’t make the papers, but I experienced it myself. A diversion on the outskirts of Nottingham took you all the way to Derby and back. No joke.

  7. BiS But it’ll be a learnt as evil landowners exploiting the poor narrative.

    That would rather depend on when and where the learning occurs since you and I would appear not to have been inculcated into such a “narrative”.

  8. “That True Communism arrives when scarcity has been beaten.”

    And there are still people out there who think that he knew what he was on about. So all we have to do is solve the problem of communism causing scarcity on a colossal scale and we can make it work? How is it possible to be that stupid?

  9. 41m diversion? Looking at the map, the diversion route may be 41m but the extra distance covered is around 5 or 6. Personally I’d rather be taking the alternative A road route in a large vehicle than than meeting another large vehicle on one of the narrow B roads. They’re making a national story out of 6 miles? You got nothing important going on there? No containers full of freeze dried refugees or a little matter of getting out of Europe?
    (Where it belongs 🙂 )

    since you and I would appear not to have been inculcated into such a “narrative”.
    Don’t remember the Tolpuddle Martyrs being covered at all in school history lessons, to be honest TMB. We seemed to get stuck on the Corn Laws for about a year & a half. So much so, that I seem to have a complete blank spot for them. You can re-explain them to me in exquisite detail. & 5 minutes later it’s gone right out of my head.

  10. Locally we recently had some bridge works done resulting in the A-Road diversion being around 30 miles – if measured from one side of the bridge to the other. If measured from your source to your destination it added maybe ten miles. And if you went off the A-Road and weren’t a high vehicle and followed the local bus down the 1:4 hill, two miles.

  11. @Stonyground
    Marx was an academic & therefore much beloved by academics. He belongs to a time when it was believed that an educated man could learn everything to know about everything in a single lifetime. And therefore academics should tell everyone what to do. Still common now.
    That you could spend an entire lifetime learning about farming & still not scratched the surface of the subject completely escaped them. But, then, academics know bugger all about farming.

  12. Did the northern factory/land owners ever try to import cheap labour from the rural southwest? Or was it economically unviable? Or did southerners not want to move north?

  13. “was it economically unviable?” I suppose you mean ‘was it unprofitable?’

    They’d expect cheap labour to come from wherever it wanted to, I’d imagine. They’d even hire Irishmen.

  14. “Did the northern factory/land owners ever try to import cheap labour from the rural southwest? Or was it economically unviable? Or did southerners not want to move north?”
    Some moved north for the better wages but different working and living conditions (for the family, too). The different prices reflected the balance point once all these individuals had made their decisions.

  15. @Andrew M
    With an economics hat on. it’s possible they did. That would result in a population decline in the market ,for Dorset agricultural products leading to falling prices & result in a decline in agricultural wages. Thus the Tolpuddle Martyrs. But, more likely, Dorset wasn’t benefiting from the spread of the canal network & more economical transport.
    Considerable numbers of Dorset fishermen did immigrate to the east coast of N. America during this period.

  16. I know that route. There is a far better route on the top road over Charlton Down for anyone in a light vehicle; but, it is not suitable for anything larger (the A352 itself isn’t ideal), so the official diversion has to be set up that substitutes on A road for another. (Not that an ‘A’ road round here means much)

  17. I have ancestors who migrated from the farms of Nottinghamshire to the industry of Sheffield. One great-great-grandfather walked from Middlesbrough to Sheffield when there was a downturn in the Middlesbrough steel industry, and struck it lucky as one year later Sheffield was churning out WW1 armaments.

  18. Bloke in North Dorset

    I suppose I ought to stick up for the residents of my adopted county ….

    I live east of there and have used both those routes but more importantly I go cross country and cross them regularly, so know the minor roads reasonably well. I’m happy to do it in my car and occasionally in my motorhome (think the Fiat version of the LWB Ford Transit). I really wouldn’t want to do it in anything bigger, its not impossible but even in the motorhome there’s lots of pulling over and occasional reversing. At this time of year there also lots of tractors on the road so any downpour means mud everywhere.

    But that’s not the only point, a few vehicles is fine but those are busy main roads and having all that traffic trying to navigate unfamiliar roads, blindly following sat navs is a recipe for chaos and accidents and will be purgatory for local residents.

  19. Be the first time many of the locals will have been out of the county.

    I realise it’s just a figure of speech, but are there any such actually living today? I only ask because a few years back I met a guy on Flagstaff station who was waiting to meet a cousin who was “65 and ain’t never been outta Wichita before”.

  20. bloke in spain said:
    “Marx … belongs to a time when it was believed that an educated man could learn everything to know about everything in a single lifetime”

    Not even in his time, surely?

    Marx is mid 19th century (2nd half, by the time he was old enough to have learned a lot. Last person to know everything was possibly Francis Bacon. After that the increase of knowledge was just too great. It’s said that John Milton was the last person able to discuss knowledgeably on any subject, but even that doesn’t claim he knew everything. They’re 17th century. Although there were some incredibly learned polymaths into the 19th century, it’s usually thought that even in the 18th century it was impossible to know all human knowledge (even if we confine that to the European canon).

  21. I think I read that it was Coleridge who was the last man to have read everything (distinct, obvs, from knowing). By the end of century, Lord Acton’s library alone was to big for him to have read every book.

  22. David Deutsch, in his (highly recommended) ‘The Fabric of Reality’ states that his aim is not to know everything that is known, but to understand everything that is understood; a narrower aim, and still achievable (if you’re David Deutsch, anyway). He’s the geek’s geek, but is also very sound on politics in general (and Brexit in particular). Try follow him on Twitter.

  23. m’Lud: to big

    C’mon – you did that just so that I didn’t feel too bad about yesterday’s lapse. Good egg.

  24. CM re “first time many of the locals will have been out of the county.”

    It a quarter century ago now but I did once encounter a woman living a few miles west of Heathrow who had never been to London.

  25. “Not even in his time, surely?”
    Why ever not? We have in our own time a man who not only believes he knows everything but would claim expertise in everything. Even on subjects he’s yet to encounter..He’s a true heir to Marx.

  26. Meanwhile in Australia (from Live Traffic NSW), motorists are forced to take a 9 hour diversion until further notice due to bridge roadworks.
    “ BROKEN HILL TO WENTWORTH: The Silver City Highway is closed in both directions while emergency repairs are carried out to the Bunnerungee Bridge about 65km north of Wentworth. The bridge will be closed until further notice. You can use the Cobb Highway via Ivanhoe instead but allow plenty of extra travel time as this will add around an extra nine hours to the trip.”

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