Have we left yet?October 31, 2019 Tim WorstallEuropean Union18 Comments?? previousElection Prediction ExtravaganzanextNot exactly, no 18 thoughts on “Have we left yet?” dearieme October 31, 2019 at 6:33 pm I’ve seen an allusion somewhere to a lawyer who claims that legally we left some time ago. Has anyone got a link? Edward Lud October 31, 2019 at 6:33 pm Excellent question. If a vote is to mean anything, it is the only question now of any importance. Edward Lud October 31, 2019 at 6:35 pm dearime, no. But Breitbart was right. Politics is downstream from culture. And so is Lud: law is downstream from politics. PJF October 31, 2019 at 7:09 pm It’s not that we can never leave. We can’t even check out. Happy dead-in-a-ditch day. BniC October 31, 2019 at 7:19 pm At least Boris is covered for Halloween, can’t wait to see his dead man in a ditch costume Edward Lud October 31, 2019 at 7:30 pm Where does Pure Blood Cummings stand in this? I rather trusted him. Andrew C October 31, 2019 at 7:46 pm Can’t have left yet. Sky will fall in when we do and I’ve just had a look and it’s still there. Steve October 31, 2019 at 7:51 pm Maybe the real Brexit was the friends we made along the way Pcar October 31, 2019 at 8:01 pm @dearieme October 31, 2019 at 6:33 pm https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/06/14/2-court-cases-arguing-the-uk-has-already-left-the-eu/ iirc In the Tilbrook case judge refused to hear unless Tilbrook lodged £1m to cover defendants costs if he lost iirrc the Tilbrook case hinged on EU terms for extension not met BniC October 31, 2019 at 8:55 pm The difference between how leave and remain court cases were dealt with has been largely overlooked. Edward Lud October 31, 2019 at 9:10 pm As I say, BniC, law is downstream from politics. Even assuming this stuff ought to be justiciable in the first place. DocBud November 1, 2019 at 9:06 am Boris should have insisted, as we are still members, on the UK government having a say on the extension since it was the UK parliament that asked for it. He could have then vetoed it. JS November 1, 2019 at 11:29 am DocBud He had no desire to veto it as that would have meant having a clean Brexit. It’s become increasingly clear that Johnson was ambivalent at best about leaving in the first place. He has been determined to resurrect May’s surrender treaty Brexit-In-Name-Only with just enough make-up to make out that it’s substantially different. It’s clear that the apparent preparations for the misleadingly-labeled “No-Deal” exit were even less honest than May’s not bothering to even seriously pretend. Those preparations were only a bluff. There were numerous suggestions, from real Leavers, for mechanisms by which we could have left with “no deal”, even after the Benn abomination. Johnson took none and never looked like he even considered them. We haven’t left yet because Johnson did not want us to leave. TD November 1, 2019 at 3:24 pm It appears it will always be six months down the road. John B November 1, 2019 at 3:34 pm As some remarked after Team Boris got installed, it was always going to be an election campaign, not a serious attempt to secure Brexit by 31 October. And lo, it came to pass… a General Election announced before 31 October and most of the campaigning done on all sides, with Labour and LibDem in fact campaigning for the Conservatives – unintentionally on their part of course. Pcar November 1, 2019 at 8:39 pm @JS November 1, 2019 at 11:29 am +1 DP November 1, 2019 at 10:27 pm Dear Mr Worstall Since we have not left the European Empire 3 years after our vote to leave and the third ‘deadline’ for leaving, I now acknowledge that successive governments since 1972 have been at war with me and that as of 11pm last night, a formal state of war exists between myself and my government. The last pretend deadline was appropriately on All Hallow’s Eve, and we have been tricked not treated, so nothing new there. Ever since that nice Mr Heath took us into the ‘common market’ under the false pretence that it was a trading bloc only and there would be no loss of sovereignty, our prime ministers have been PMINO’s – prime minister in name only – actual power having been ceded elsewhere. It is ironic that Mr Anthony Wedgewood Benn’s second son, Hilary, sponsored the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019, when his father had toured the country warning against joining the ‘common market’. The Act serves to prevent our leaving the EE without a ‘deal’, despite there being no mention of a ‘deal’ on the referendum ballot paper. @ dearieme October 31, 2019 at 6:33 pm Mr Robin Tilbrook’s crowd justice site is: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/we-have-left-the-eu/ The figure has been stuck at £17,000 odd for months. Funny how the opposition seem to have bottomless pockets, especially that nice Mrs Gina Miller, who wins every time in the supreme court against our beloved government. It’s almost as if they want to lose. DP Pcar November 2, 2019 at 10:17 pm @DP November 1, 2019 at 10:27 pm Funny how the Remainers seem to have bottomless pockets, especially that nice Mrs Gina Miller, who wins every time in the supreme court against our beloved government. It’s almost as if they want to lose. Excellent observation. Today’s news: Johnson Brexiters and Conservatives: No Deal clean Brexit eradicated – Johnson’s Surrender Treaty or no Brexit to appeal to “centre ground” Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.