Hmm, well, yes again

A newborn baby’s death proves pregnant women are not safe in UK prisons
Joan Smith

Newborn babies die in the NHS. This means that pregnant women are not safe in the NHS.

19 thoughts on “Hmm, well, yes again”

  1. Er, this one managed to complete labour from start to finish with no staff becoming aware of it. You don’t think that’s about at the top of the list of state failures? Or perhaps that the state has no duty of care to those in its custody?

  2. Bloke in Germany – so pretty much like you hear of schoolgirls managing to do each year.
    Do schools have any duty of care? Do parents?

  3. An interesting question might be as to whether or not she was pregnant when she entered the prison, or even, when she committed the crime that led to her conviction. One feels sorry for the dead infant, innocent of it’s mother’s crimes, and possibly, another victim.

  4. The Guardian: this is a terrible outrage!!!1

    Also The Guardian: babies are just clumps of cells, lol

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  5. Damn. What did women do for 59,800 years?

    ‘What that mother went through hardly bears thinking about’

    Blame God. BILLIONS of us were born that way. I’m almost old enough to remember when women went behind a tree to have their baby. Certainly, having a hospital birth is a first world activity.

    ‘Female prisoners are drawn from the most vulnerable sections of the population’

    By a selection process?

    ‘we are all entitled to an explanation of how such a tragedy was allowed to happen.’

    ‘Allowed?’ Shouldn’t we get the autopsy report before such a sweeping statement?

    Who is ‘we?’

    ‘Entitled?’ WTF?

  6. “John77

    Aren’t the victims of their crimes more vulnerable?”

    Women who commit crimes are actually victims as they were almost certainly forced to commit the crime by evil overpowering manipulative men.

  7. “Female prisoners are drawn from the most vulnerable sections of the population”

    I think maybe 100% of those imprisoned for not buying a TV license are poor women (usually already single mothers). I doubt the Guardianistas give a shit about them. Their well paid pals at the BBC certainly don’t.

  8. “Female prisoners are drawn from the most vulnerable sections of the population”

    Whereas male prisoners are drawn from privileged sections?

  9. to complete labour from start to finish with no staff becoming aware of it. You don’t think that’s about at the top of the list of state failures?

    Female not calling for help is the state’s fault?

    Look on the bright side: hundreds of thousands of pounds no longer consumed be the recidivist’s child

  10. It’s a really basic piece of shit that if you are incarcerated by the state, said state has assumed to itself at least a minimal duty of care for your welfare and should account to you for its failures. I’m genuinely amazed that the assembled libertariat (and anti child-killing types) here can’t grok that.

    After all, we cry foul, may even go on about Clinton Body Counts, when someone gets “Epsteined” in the clink. How much more of a derelicition of duty is it when someone who has committed no crime dies in the custody of the state?

  11. @BiG

    We know little of the circumstances.

    How far from the due date was she? Did she call for help? Perhaps that minimal level of care WAS given? Maybe more. Very little information is provided. Maybe she screamed for help, her cell neighbours joined in and the guards stood outside laughing. Maybe she was off her head on drugs and that caused a miscarriage while she was unconscious?

    I’d wait until more facts are known before reaching a conclusion.

  12. Bloke in North Dorset

    Let’s go a bit easy on this until we understand the circumstances and the crimes she committed. For all we know she could be there for heinous crime not paying the BBC poll tax. (Although I have in the back of my mind that they changed the rules on that).

  13. ‘said state has assumed to itself at least a minimal duty of care for your welfare and should account to you for its failures’

    What evidence do you have that it failed? Don’t be a dick, BiG.

  14. No one is ever sent to prison for not paying the BBC licence.

    You can only be fined for not paying the BBC licence.

    People are sent to prison for not paying the fine they are given for not paying the BBC licence.

    Pendantry, I agree.

  15. @BiG

    Ignoring first para doesn’t make it go away.

    Prison has a duty of care, but if care not requested it is not Prison’s fault

    Para 2- not heard of tongue in cheek?

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