Reminds of the petroleum exchange incidentOctober 17, 2019 Tim WorstallCivil Liberty43 Comments Oh dear not middle class English people in Canning Town 😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/6kcRIRfalV — sid (@1968Sid69) 17 October 2019 previousTsknextAccuracy in sourcing quotes 43 thoughts on “Reminds of the petroleum exchange incident” Stonyground October 17, 2019 at 12:14 pm That is what I would call direct action. Mr Ecks October 17, 2019 at 12:17 pm Good to see. Itellyounothing said this non Samizdata –I hope he does not mind me quoting him as he said it better than I: “Extinction Rebellion need to be made to understand their public relations position. Just because the BBC’s performing news seal will say great things about you and slap its flippers doesn’t mean the public like you. It means the seal is hungry and its boss wants 6 out of 7 people dead all for the glory of a utopian new world republican order.” Ducky McDuckface October 17, 2019 at 12:24 pm LME, not LPE, Shirley? Got the feeling that they were next door anyways. DocBud October 17, 2019 at 12:39 pm “But we’re doing it for you and your children.” If the authorities won’t jail the scum, then people need to hospitalise them and take them off the street that way. It is not an exaggeration to say that we are at war with these bastards who wish to destroy our civilisation and way of life. Jim October 17, 2019 at 1:17 pm Thats cheered me up no end. Rob October 17, 2019 at 1:20 pm Lefty Twitter is aRage at the violence done to him, yet mysteriously fail to mention he kicked the man in the head before being pulled off the train. Anyway, nice to see some “non-violent direct action” being taken by patriotic citizens! Canning Town: bad choice of venue for disruptive stunts by middle-class wankers. Jussi October 17, 2019 at 1:41 pm Police investigation ongoing – guess who are on the receiving end? The plod can move quickly when they want to. DocBud October 17, 2019 at 1:47 pm Have you got links Rob and Jussi? Dongguan John October 17, 2019 at 2:01 pm People taking the law into their own hands is always a bigger deal for the police than actual crime because it displays their incompetence. Bloke in Germany October 17, 2019 at 2:07 pm “utopian new world republican order.” Shurely they want a democratic order, not a republican one? Even, I would venture, a people’s democratic order. JuliaM October 17, 2019 at 2:07 pm What Dongguan John said…! Andrew C October 17, 2019 at 2:36 pm off-topic but more scintillating ground breaking journalism from the BBC which just goes to show how your licence fee is spend; “My Money is a new series looking at how people spend their money – and the sometimes tough decisions they make. Here, [20 year old student] Olivia Davies from Salford records her spending over a week, and shares how easy it is to spend money on clothes and make-up.” Dennis, He Who Says The PPK Is For Wimps October 17, 2019 at 2:45 pm Typically British… leaving the job half done. I’m proud to say that here in the States he’d have been beaten to pulp and sent to a hospital. Witchie October 17, 2019 at 2:53 pm It appears that the people who pulled the protestors off the train are the crims. Or maybe the ones who did the kicking. On the grounds that the XR potestors started the kicking, a self defence plea seems likely to win. Or the fecking plod are as useless as ever. Interested October 17, 2019 at 2:57 pm Fuck off Dennis you fat old cunt. Do you think we can’t see Antifa closing down streets in major American cities on a daily basis? It’s call the World Wide Web, you ludicrous wanker. You’ve got tramps shitting on the pavement in San Francisco, for fuck’s sake 🙂 Bloke in North Dorset October 17, 2019 at 2:59 pm Police investigation ongoing – guess who are on the receiving end? The plod can move quickly when they want to. In no way am I condoning the way the police have handled these protests but they can’t be everywhere and they are right to be nervous when crowds are involved. I was listening to a psychologist who specialises in the behaviour of crowds and advises the police. He was saying that one of the crowds going bad they fear the most is outside Buck House when they are meant to be celebrating. All it would take is one idiot to say the wrong thing and even that crowd of well meaning grannies and other assorted Royalists could easily change in to a lynch mob and there would be no stopping them. Much as I despise ExtinctionR I really don’t want to see lynchings on our streets, its far too easy for the innocent to be on the wrong end of them once they start. Theophrastus October 17, 2019 at 3:09 pm “Just because the BBC’s performing news seal will say great things about you and slap its flippers doesn’t mean the public like you. It means the seal is hungry…” Seals can’t slap their flippers. Sea lions can, but not seals. Also: BiND +1 on lynchings. Mr Ecks October 17, 2019 at 3:19 pm Thanks for that insight Theo. All that money on public school wasn’t a complete waste. Rob October 17, 2019 at 3:23 pm Fuck off Dennis you fat old cunt. OK, calm down, let’s keep it almost civil. Rob October 17, 2019 at 3:24 pm Have you got links Rob and Jussi? Twitter is too big to link to, and the video shows the loony on the roof kicking the commuter in the face/head. Dennis, Mocker of Wogs October 17, 2019 at 3:32 pm Interested – Westerville, Ohio isn’t Portland or Minneapolis or San Fransisco. The municipal government and police are not on Antifa’s side in places like Westerville, Ohio, like they are in Portland and Minneapolis and San Fransisco. Which is why you don’t see Antifa in places like Westerville, Ohio. Around here the best Antifa could hope for is to not get badly hurt. Same goes for Extinction Rebellion types. Ohio law allows open carry and the concealed carry requirements aren’t onerous. Lots of people around here carry guns for protection. And the police? Around here they do their job; you know, keeping folks safe from physical violence. As opposed to keeping them safe from bumper stickers and monitoring citizen tweets. Dennis, He Who Has Sensitivity Out The Blow Hole October 17, 2019 at 3:35 pm OK, calm down, let’s keep it almost civil. Don’t worry about it, Rob. Interested always starts out with a tacit admission that he’s overmatched. Itellyounothing October 17, 2019 at 3:36 pm Mr Ecks, honoured to be quoted 🙂 Theo, that BBC news Seal has been genetically modified for a thinner flipper chord and greater flipper span for just the reason your refer to. Don’t ask me it’s flight speed with a fully laden coconut. Edward Lud October 17, 2019 at 4:03 pm Loved watching the noodly soap-dodger retreat along the roof when confronted by an actual person with genuine reason to be angry. Chernyy_Drakon October 17, 2019 at 4:51 pm Not surprising. If the police aren’t going to stop the idiots and get everything running again, then people will do it themselves. This has just been shown to be more effective than calling the Plod. A couple of minutes and the idiots are out of the way, allowing everyone to carry on (with reports that the underground staff had to intervene to prevent the retribution beating from becoming too severe). Expect to see more in the future. Jonathan October 17, 2019 at 4:53 pm Could commuters sue TfL and British Transport Police? Seems like it could be a way to incentivise them to prevent it happening in future. Andrew C October 17, 2019 at 4:58 pm XRs argument is that their protest is justified as people don’t reslise the damage being done. I’d say that the people’s protest is justified as XR don’t realise the damage being done. I agree that lynching is going a bit too far but quite happy with a mild to moderate beating. No more than what we used to call “a bit of a shoeing” at the bottom of a ruck. Theophrastus October 17, 2019 at 5:09 pm Itellyounothing: Ecksy: lighten up, dear boy. Theophrastus October 17, 2019 at 5:10 pm Itellyounothing: very droll. The emoji isn’t showing – for me. Rob October 17, 2019 at 5:18 pm Could commuters sue TfL and British Transport Police? Seems like it could be a way to incentivise them to prevent it happening in future. The police would simply evacuate the station at the first hint of trouble, “in the interests of safety” but in reality to avoid being sued. I think the Canning Town Solution is the best one. bloke in spain October 17, 2019 at 5:31 pm “Loved watching the noodly soap-dodger retreat along the roof when confronted by an actual person with genuine reason to be angry.” But very disappointed he slung him off the wrong side of the train, Mr Lud. Never going to land him on the live rail like that. Steve October 17, 2019 at 5:35 pm Narrator: It was at that moment that Rupert Fucklington-Gapyah realised he wasn’t on the internet… Van_Patten October 17, 2019 at 5:57 pm An old urban myth was the only way to get the police to respond to a burglary was to say over the phone – ‘I have tied the burglar up and am threatening him’ which would presage multiple armed units being dispatched within five minutes Edward Lud October 17, 2019 at 6:45 pm One thing to remember is this: what the noodlies are doing is fun*. In a former life over 20 years ago, I took part in an exercise in which some of us were cast as being of this kidney, and others were manning the barbed wire. The training was for both sides, to get a flavour of this kind of thing and an insight into it**. The manners of the barbed wire had an unenviable task. It was dull. They had to be restrained, professional. Our job, well aware of the limitations on them, was to goad and to provoke them, which was a hoot. We did not even need a cause, although now I think about it it might well have been ecoloon-themed. Ally that to a sense of self-righteousness, and you’ve got a powerful dopamine brew. You get to behave badly, because it’s the right thing to do. That realisation was salutary. I was reminded of all this earlier today watching the video of that preening jackanapes Moonbat being arrested, his face beaming like a rebellious prefect. * fun, that is, until, like the crusty atop the train, you run into someone not bound by official rules of engagement. Then, as Steve says, you realise it’s not just for grins. ** An interesting an varied life, as my biographers term it. Bloke on M4 October 17, 2019 at 7:30 pm “One thing to remember is this: what the noodlies are doing is fun” The XR thing comparing themselves to Rosa Parks shows that what these people really are boring, middle class people doing cosplay protesting. They’re the Internet Tough Guys of the streets. They know that they aren’t going to find themselves “accidentally” falling down stairs in the police station. They know they’ll get a derisory fine that an article will more than cover. Rosa Parks? FFS. You’re living on another planet. If I was black and living in Montgomery Alabama at that time, I wouldn’t do what Rosa Parks did. She lost her job. Her husband was told he couldn’t talk about his wife or her case by his employer. She received death threats (in a time when that wasn’t some spotty twat with a Twitter account). None of these people are going to be told they can’t have the bullshit civil service job that they’d like. Itellyounothing October 17, 2019 at 7:50 pm Van_Patten “An old urban myth was the only way to get the police to respond to a burglary was to say over the phone – ‘I have tied the burglar up and am threatening him’ which would presage multiple armed units being dispatched within five minutes”. The particularly stupid part of the law and Judical response was to load far more expensive work on the Police, courts and judges. In the days of the ordinary householder taking their elephant gun, war trophy, cricket bat etc downstairs to deal with a break in, the Police were given an easy job because the burglar would either vanish or be pre-subdued. Now everyone wants a crime number, an investigation, a day in court and their stuff back and the Police are much less trusted. A double shot in one’s own feet. The courts are literally gummed up with rubbish cases as are the prisons and everyone feels less safe…… Swabby October 17, 2019 at 8:22 pm Well I for one am outraged Why didn’t the train drive off instead? No resourcefulness these days. Pcar October 17, 2019 at 8:25 pm @Theo The important issue is: can Flipper slap his flippers? Canning Town https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Canning+Town&sp=CAI%253D Whut? Khan blames Brexit for XR rail disruption isp001 October 17, 2019 at 10:23 pm Bloke in North Dorset Agree lynching is ugly. There are two ways to manage a crowd, beat it or to lead it. Policing used to be an expression of community standards of behaviour – as with Peel’s memorable statement that the policeman is no different than any other citizen. The average person is not evil, but if someone is trying to impose their will on them they will push back (and it is very clear that XR are trying to dictate to others how they may live their lives both in the day-to-day with protests blocking normal life and their longer term goals of extreme societal control). If the police reflected the values of the mob that is ok – the mob is not so bad – they want someone who is trying to dictate to them quickly and safely moved out of the way. The person has chosen to put themselves in harms way so if they come easily fine, a zero-risk approach merely lets them dictate how the situation is handled, so some risk to their health is perfectly acceptable. If someone mugs you how much force are you allowed to use in resisting? Would you choose to err by using too little or too much? Sadly the police are no longer trying to help everyday man lead his life without being bossed around, they have chosen to become just another faction telling people what they may and may not do. This means they have abandoned the option of leading the mob, and the only alternative is to use force to make them do what authorities desire. Don’t call for moderation of everyday man, recognise his demands are reasonable, and call for the police to focus on a fairer balance between those who wish to protest in legitimate ways and those who wish to lead their lives without interruption. Personally: – use the water cannon but with a diffuser. Protesting is much less fun if you are soggy. – unauthorised protesters are jointly liable for policing and clean-up costs (from one of my engineering friends I believe the hourly charge for knocking out the dlr is 30k – which seems low tbh, ditto any utility company can give you the fee for blocking a main road) BniC October 17, 2019 at 10:45 pm As XR are raising funds to facilitate people to break the law maybe the payment providers and funding sites should block them for supporting illegal activities. And if moonbat write an article about his arrest maybe it should be seized under proceeds of crime legislation. Bloke in North Dorset October 18, 2019 at 6:20 am isp001, I agree, the police have lost direction and, as Tim Newman regularly points out, are close losing the support of the general public. My comment was in response to the one that pointed out the police are fairly quick when a crowd starts to take the law in to their own hands. I’d go one further with the water cannon and add a dye that takes about 6 weeks to fade. This will have the benefit of allowing us to ridicule these people and easier for the police to round them up later. Chernyy_Drakon October 18, 2019 at 9:04 am I’d go one further with the water cannon and add a dye that takes about 6 weeks to fade. This will have the benefit of allowing us to ridicule these people and easier for the police to round them up later. Only problem with that is if you’re the poor sod walking past, on your way home or to work, when they spray the dye around. It would have to be a fairly precise application. DocBud October 18, 2019 at 9:49 am Maybe use a syringe, they’re normally glued or locked on so not going to run off. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.