This is the point of doing testing

In the UK’s trials of voter ID so far, significant numbers of people were denied a vote. When some majorities can be as small as two, every vote matters.

Voter ID being sold as a solution to a problem that we do not have

So, when we test voter ID we find that a number of people don;t pass the test. This shows that the test isn’t necessary.


20 thoughts on “This is the point of doing testing”

  1. Its trivially easy to defraud the electoral system in the UK. I discovered as much just before the European elections. My neighbour took in a lodger, and he registered himself to vote, only he got the wrong house number, putting mine down instead of next doors. I thus received a voting card in his name (but my address). I had no knowledge of the lodger at this point so the name was completely unknown to me. I contacted the electoral roll people and said there was no one of that name living here and could they remove it from the roll. I then checked when I went to vote by eyeballing the list they use to check off who has voted, and sure enough there was the name, still down at my address. No ID was required to vote, nor the voting slip itself. So he could have voted despite having no ID that tied him to my address. I don’t think he did, I voted late and the name was not crossed out. Subsequently I received letter from the electoral roll saying they’d removed the name, but not until about a month after the elections.

    So I conclude that all you need to do is register yourself under random names and random addresses, preferably in different areas within the same constituency just before an election, right on the deadline. Then turn up at all the different polling stations, quote your ‘name’ and the address you’ve registered it to, and vote multiple times. No ID required so proof you live at the given address is not needed. By the time the people living at the addresses have reported your fraud, and the authorities done anything about it, the election will be over. I think there’s about 40 polling stations in my constituency so getting that many votes would be easy. Add in all the various spellings of Mohammed and you could multiply that by several times…………an organised effort by 10-20 people could easily swing 1000 votes IMO.

  2. Voter ID is proving very unpopular with supporters of electoral fraud.

    Next should be a crackdown on postal votes.

    Then, weren’t we due some boundary reform?

  3. The data on the Swindon trial was excellent.

    60 people were turned back and of those, 25 didn’t return. That’s all. One ward had less than 25 voters, so unless most of those people were in that one ward, it had no effect.

    And in fact, because of the amount spend on publicising voter ID, the effect was that more people remembered to vote. Turnout was actually 5% higher than normal.

  4. Why does she never have comments open? She can’t be very sure of her ground if she’s not willing to argue the point.

  5. It would be good if someone could get a list going of things you need photographic, official ID for. It will be huge and full of trivial things, e.g. off the top of my head:

    Foreign currency transactions (holiday money)
    Opening a bank account
    Getting a library card, e.g. at the National Library of Scotland
    Purchasing a railway season ticket longer than seven days in duration

  6. A partial list of countries requiring voter ID (WikiP):
    1.1 Argentina
    1.2 Australia
    1.3 Brazil
    1.4 Canada
    1.5 France
    1.6 Germany
    1.7 Iceland
    1.8 India
    1.9 Israel
    1.10 Mexico
    1.11 Netherlands
    1.12 Norway
    1.13 Sweden
    1.14 Switzerland
    1.15 Northern Ireland
    1.16 Some US states

  7. Quite.
    If you add up the things that Labour supporters can’t do because they haven’t got ID, voting would be the most trivial.
    They can’t get their money out of a bank.
    They can’t get free bus rides however old they are .
    They can’t get a library book.
    They can’t get in to party conference.
    Perhaps the author would be happier if her bank didn’t require ID?
    And yes, fraud is trivially easy, though personation is the least likely method. The entire system depends on honesty. There is no check on registered voters, I could register half a dozen at my address and vote as them. Especially if I use postal votes. There is no check on who actually used a ballot paper in a postal vote. No one on duty at a polling station is likely to know the individuals voting. Even if the Presiding Officer does know that the voter is not who he says he is a ballot paper must be issued- with no confidence in a follow up when he reports the matter.

  8. I would add that the voting system is reasonably robust against staff fraud. This is because the staff do not know each other and have little opportunity to conspire, and a good chance of getting shopped should any individual try anything. Plus the count is supervised by representatives of the Parties at least one of which will flag up problems.
    Hence the scare during the referendum that pencil crosses might be erased and re-marked in another box was pointless.

  9. The next thing is scrapping most postal votes. Only people who write to the returning officer explaining why get to do so.

  10. Postal vote fraud being halted is also essential. Maybe a million votes in both types of fraud for ZaNu . 3300 more postal votes than last time kept TBP out of Peterborough. Remain stuffed EC didn’t want to know of course.

  11. Chris Miller,

    Voter id is not required in Germany. Or if it is required, said requirement is not vigorously enforced.

    Source: personal experience.

  12. Given that news reports openly talked about the impact of students just going to university and voting twice (home and away) if there had been a September election shows that it’s not only known, but nobody seems to really care. Of course they could be stupid enough to think that this is a one of loophole and nobody would exploit the same conditions knowingly.

  13. @ Rob,
    I take my over-60 Bus Pass when I want to buy a can of cider at Tesco. The Polish guy who sells better cider at his corner shop when I (rarely) use the car naively thinks my white sideboards are good enough evidence that I am over 18.

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