Samira Ahmed has cited the length of time female presenters need to spend in the make-up chair as part of her equal pay dispute with the BBC.
In a landmark case against the corporation, Ahmed is arguing that she deserves to be paid the same rate for presenting Newswatch as Jeremy Vine received for hosting Points of View, as the programmes are so similar.
Different people doing different jobs should be paid the same amount of money?
Is she forced to spend a long time in the make-up chair?
Or is it that she wants to look all tarted up for the camera?
I bet if she cut her hair short, and only wore the bare minimum make-up (ie the same as the blokes wear, if they even wear any at all) she wouldn’t have to spend long in the chair.
Silly moo.
Last time I checked, blokes have to spend quite a bit of time at the make-up table as well.
Cameras are harsh… Especially in close-ups…
Given that the BBC is substantially funded by the extortion of money, with menaces, from people who may or may not consume its services, why is this Tribunal not looking at this from the viewpoint that people paid less than Jeremy Vine are, apparently, able and willing to do the job? And so is J Vine in fact grossly overpaid from this money extorted from the public, and should the BBC cut his pay?
After all, if he’s really worth the money, some private enterprise, profit-making organisation will be happy to snap him up the moment he resigns.
Extending the same logic, perhaps Samira should quit and see how long it takes for her to be snapped up on contract terms similar to Vine’s?
This is moo-woo whine. This does nothing to advance her cause.
I know so many successful women in academia, politics and business and, I am sure, all of them would be ashamed of that attitude.
Be good enough for long enough and get to be better than the rest. And stop moaning about ‘’I’m in the top 0.2% and I really ought to be in the top 0.1%. And I’m not because I got titties’.
To be fair, in her situation I’d launch a similar appeal. Not because it’s the right thing to do, but because there’s the potential to get a whopping payout. As for whether it’ll damage her career prospects, she’s already the wrong side of 50, and women don’t tend to get much airtime beyond that age anyway.
Part of her argument seems to be Tim’s female football argument, her programme gets more viewers than Vine’s programme, so she should be paid more. Seems an interesting line to persue and enforce across the whole corporation. Some salaries would tumble. Didn’t BBC News Alba report zero viewers?
It’s hard to see how this is going to pan out. The equal pay argument’s being distorted by a number of so-called ‘stars’ such as Lineker and Vine (an heredity issue). If you are to raise the rank and file to a similar level it will result in a massive backlash from the public (hundreds of thousands of tax-payers money for little more than having a nice set of teeth and a pair of melons), not to mention the men and women that would need to be made redundant to pay for the golden girls increased wages. At a time, too, when the BBC are trying to screw old folks by making them pay for a licence.
I know so many successful women in academia, politics and business and, I am sure, all of them would be ashamed of that attitude.
Be good enough for long enough and get to be better than the rest. And stop moaning about ‘’I’m in the top 0.2% and I really ought to be in the top 0.1%. And I’m not because I got titties’.
Modern feminism is exactly that – the female part of the 1% demanding the male part of it.
Unfortunately this idiocy has already happened – dinner ladies getting a payrise because binmen were paid more I think, or something like that in local authorities. At least two TV presenting jobs are vaguely similar!
Dinner Ladies / binmen was in Glasgow, I think.
I’ve heard of Jeremy Vine. I have no idea who the bint is. She could always go on his radio show and moan, he has hypocritically covered the subject before. (No, look, it was on in the car after Ken Bruce, I didn’t switch him on purposely.)
We have the Women’s footy going on strike here. They want a 3/4 of a day contract (second step to being full-timers) and a minimum wage of €20,000/year.
Last match here, 300 turned up to watch a ‘First Division game’. Dads, boyfriends, the sisterz, and girls who get free tickets form the LEA (oh and the pervs). It is true that we had nearly 50,000 at the last Cup Final, but played at the home stadium and weeks of ‘let’s support the girlz’ (and we just had to show how caring and feminist we are) and the massive giving away of tickets to all the schools etc. A one-off (or actually a two-off, cos another game in Madrid did the same).
But the reality is nobody goes, nobody watches it on TV despite the last international being put on at 21.00 instead of the news!!! The papers are starting to cover it and dedicate similar space to the First Division male clubs. Social engineering of the worst kind.
We have been promoting women’s football (and if my daughter had played I’d have gone every game as I did with my twin sons). But FFS it makes a major hole in clubs’ budgets. It’s a politically correct toy.
Their claim is ‘we are pros’ (sorry about that) so we ‘deserve’…
The clubs’ argument is that 5 or 6 teams would disappear the next day.
There are millions of men playing with similar dedication on match-day expenses (or paying subs for playing, like my sons did).
If they bring in the money I would be with them all the way. Seriously. I am delighted they like footy and like to play. But, right now they are over-privileged prima donnas with a false sense of entitlement. We have conned them into believing the hype around them.
Earn it, over years. You are lucky to be playing on the pitches you do, with top class coaches, all the professional support that regional male footy doesn’t get and with the money dedicated to you that far better male players couldn’t even dream of, and with your photos in the paper every week.
I look forward to all the court cases where actor playing ”Middle Eastern henchman no 2″ demands to be paid the same as Tom Cruise….
The binmen / dinner lady thing was a Birmingham City Council attempt to plumb the depth of incompetence / stupidity greater than anyone before or since.
The mostly male binmen were on a good screw, what with various bonuses and were pulling in around 50k per annum.
The other council employees wanted in on the action and instead of clawing back excess payments to the binmen, put my rates up instead like the twats that they are.
bilboaboy – coincidentally Samira did a piece on Newswatch on viewers’ complaints that the main BBC evening news was hosted in Paris prior to England women’s world cup game and all the build up hype surplanting real actual news that they’d tuned in to recieve. I thought Samira was quite good in that she asked the right questions. It wasn’t a grilling but nice to have a few questions put to internal bbc execs. Fairly softball, as i say, but jeremy vine’s no paxman either. Where they do differ i think is Samira has the newsreader’s kind of approach, played straight whereas Jeremy Vine is more of a personality type of approach. Similar jobs but distinguishable abilities, and in presenting it’s usually personality that tends to draw the bigger cheque.
I don’t have a telly, but even I’ve heard of Jeremy Vine.
Whether he’s any good or not, I don’t know, but name recognition being valuable is hardly a new concept in entertainment.
Someone called Jeremy, someone called Ahmed: it’s hard to take sides. I shall settle for “sack ’em both” and also “refuse to pay your TV licence demand”.
I am sure that Ms Ahmed is distraught that she is paid more than presenters, male and female, who are even less well-known than she is.
Re women’s football, I don’t know what the figures are like now, but when I was a youth small town non-League semi-pro and even some amateur sides pulled similar attendances to top regular women’s games now.
At some point some arsehole in government passed this law:
https://ucu.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/201/~/sex-equality-clause
If applied strictly and punitively this will essentially destroy a large proportion of the jobs market – its not whether jobs have equal value that’s important, but what the supply and demand for that job is.
Richard T
+1
I’ve heard him occasionally on Radio 2 and he’s absolutely crap on there, I can never last more than 30 seconds or so. In fairness, I guess he knows his audience.
When the professional women’s hockey league folded in Canada last year due to lack of revenue there were women hockey players on TV and all over media complaining it wasn’t fair as they just wanted to pursue their lifelong ambition and play hockey.
It was amazing that the lack of self-awareness that they thought this selfish whining would elicit any sympathy. Of course they blamed the men’s game and the team owners for the lack of advertising and taking fans away from them etc. and couldn’t except the reality that not many people wanted to watch them.
Sitting in a make up chair is hard work?
What’s the going rate for sitting in a chair?
“. . . deserves to be paid the same rate for presenting Newswatch as Jeremy Vine received for hosting Points of View, as the programmes are so similar.”
Which one makes more money?
I have no problem with giving them equal pay for similar jobs. My only question is why pay Jeremy Vine more when there is ample evidence that someone else can do it for less?
Giving the equal rights tribunals the power to reduce pay would be much more interesting
@formertory
Al-Beeb pretend they’re worth £too-much. Peston found it wasn’t true when he moved
Shutter 90% of Al-Beeb: TV – one channel, Radio – one channel; both Reithian
Same with police – back to Peelers
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@Gary Moran October 31, 2019 at 1:37 pm
Left Law enacted by Traitor May. The Left’s madness knows no bounds
Vid: Diversity & Equality; Trump’s fault I’m fat & black; did those worms consent to sex with you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2GA6o6E7hk
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@Agammamon October 31, 2019 at 5:23 pm
Both shows make £zero. Both presenters are crap, sack both – if not sackable, reduce Vine’s wage to make-up whiner’s
Please could they sack Shearer from the football highlights show? It would also be good if ITV dispensed with the services of Dallaglio from the rugby broadcasts.
Dull dogs the pair of ’em.