Dear Lord, does she really think this way?

Afua Hirsch is a Guardian columnist

So,:

The first time Elaine Welteroth came on to my radar was at a Thanksgiving dinner. American friends in London had invited me and I was torn between gratitude for their hospitality and deep reservations about celebrating something with genocidal undertones.

I mean, I can understand a Guardian columnist not liking Thanksgiving. For it’s a celebration of the fact that socialist, communal, farming doesn’t work. But to worry about breaking bread with friends over it?

25 thoughts on “Dear Lord, does she really think this way?”

  1. ‘Only as an adult can I begin to see clearly the subconscious impact of white supremacy at work in the messages I was fed as a child’ … Elaine Welteroth

    Yes, these people exist.

    And institutions like the Guardian give them air time.

  2. For a racist society we’re very relaxed about giving black people well-paid jobs and allowing them to slander us 24/7.

  3. 17th century? Yeah, lots of genocide and mass murder going on everywhere. Maybe the native Americans should have fought better. Maybe if they’d developed technology around oil (they knew about oil), they’d have build engines before we did, invaded Europe and Swindon would have been colonised by the Osage nation.

  4. I was torn between gratitude for their hospitality and deep reservations about celebrating something with genocidal undertones.

    Translation – I didn’t really want to go, but then realised I could fuck their dinner up with some grandstanding.

    I wonder what she would think of people doing the same with regard to her ancestors?

  5. Thanksgiving? That’s July the fourth isn’t it?

    (Most of the inferred genocide might actually be intermarriage, or inter-not-quite-marriage, in the north-east in colonial times. True genocide came after.)

  6. Bloke on M4, the colonization of America by Europeans STOPPED Indian genocide. The fvckers were killing each other til whitey stopped them. That may be why they hate us. Apache can’t kill Navajo anymore. Sioux can’t kill Shoshone and Crow anymore. Ute’s can’t kill anyone anymore.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    friends in London

    The left don’t have friends, they have fellow travellers who they are always delighted to denounce at the slightest sign of wrong speak, especially if it moves them up the virtue ladder.

  8. Bloke in North Dorset

    OT but on the subject of the USA and lefties …..

    I was listening to a US lefty podcast this morning, its normally quite good on foreign affairs but this morning the host and another woman were discussing the possibility the Hilary might be clearing the decks to run again. Apparently some court cases have come to an end and the DNC is still very much in the Clinton handbag.

    If you thought the right despised Hilary, its nothing compared to the contempt these two women had. It also seems its not just Trump supporters who thought Russiagate was a Clinton setup, they were quite convinced as well.

    If nothing else it will make for a very entertaining election next year.

  9. “It also seems its not just Trump supporters who thought Russiagate was a Clinton setup, they were quite convinced as well.”

    Jimmy Dore is quite entertaining on Youtube. He may be a progressive arse, but he regularly features leftist journalists like Aaron Mate who can clearly articulate as well as Sean Hannity, how big a steaming pile of turds the Russiagate bollocks was.

  10. As for Afua Hirsch, well its simple.

    The whitey haters need to be deported. Otherwise, if the left ever get power again, the progroms will start over.

  11. Gamecock: Also British rule /stopped/ the genocides. Britain banned settlers from moving west, once the colonies became independent settlers started moving west, slaughtering all before them.

  12. ” slaughtering all before them.”

    Because the Indians were allied with the British.

    Daniel Boone founded Boonesboro, Ky (actually still part of Virginia) in 1775, before the colonies were free. I suspect British rules were barely enforced in the Appalachians. Probably why the Cumberland Presbyterians settled there in the first place.

  13. She’s a profoundly awful and horrid person, riffing on Torquemada, Praise God Barebones, Robespierre and Trotsky.

    But the reaction always comes.

  14. @ Gamecock
    WHY were the native Americans choosing to accept and support the army of the legal (by European terms) monarch? Could it possibly be that they trusted “Farmer George” more than the greedy Massachusetts colonists?
    You have put the cart before the horse.

  15. Why made no difference.

    The assertions were:

    “British rule /stopped/ the genocides.”

    The genocides were in the west. Britain irrelevant.

    “Britain banned settlers from moving west”

    It was ignored.

    “once the colonies became independent settlers started moving west, slaughtering all before them.”

    It started earlier.

    “WHY were the native Americans choosing to accept and support the army of the legal (by European terms) monarch?”

    Who cares?

  16. @ Gamecock
    Utter tripe!
    The colonists did not slaughter the native Americans in the mid-West because they were allied to the British since they were not. The native Americans in the mid-west were not involved in the “War of Independence”.

  17. ‘Boone served as a militia officer during the Revolutionary War (1775–83), which, in Kentucky, was fought primarily between the American settlers and British-allied Native Americans, who hoped to expel the Americans. Shawnee warriors captured Boone in 1778. He escaped and alerted Boonesborough that the Shawnee were planning an attack. Although heavily outnumbered, Americans repelled the Shawnee warriors in the Siege of Boonesborough. Boone was elected to the first of his three terms in the Virginia General Assembly during the Revolutionary War, and he fought in the Battle of Blue Licks in 1782. Blue Licks, a Shawnee victory over the Patriots, was one of the last battles of the Revolutionary War, coming after the main fighting ended in October 1781.[3]’

  18. I seem to remember some red indians were allies with the French, perhaps I remember this from James Fenimore Cooper’s Last of the Mohicans…

    I was in a pub once and ordered a beer named Chinook something, was wondering with a studenty looking barman where the name came from and said I think it is an Indian name, as in from America, red indian. I was told quite angrily that those terms are not allowed anymore, one is supposed to use first nations people or something. The fucking cunt and the pub chain Head of Steam lost my custom then and there. The rot has spread very deep.

  19. Is it genocide if the natives die from catching a cold?

    ” While epidemic disease was a leading factor of the population decline of the American indigenous peoples after 1492, there were other contributing factors, all of them related to European contact and colonization. One of these factors was warfare. According to demographer Russell Thornton, although many lives were lost in wars over the centuries, and war sometimes contributed to the near extinction of certain tribes, warfare and death by other violent means was a comparatively minor cause of overall native population decline.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

    I feel sad that poor Afua is forced to remain living in England, she wouldn’t suffer any discrimination if she moved to either of her parents homelands.

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