Will Hutton

The role of government is not to subsume markets. Rather, it is to set vigorous regulatory frameworks that attack monopoly, promote competition and outlaw noxious practices. It can also empower countervailing forces, notably trade unions

Thought we were against monopoly and privilege? And a trade union is?

22 thoughts on “Will Hutton”

  1. But Will turns a blind eye to the fact that Big Boys inc happily comply with and actually lobby for “vigourous regulatory frameworks” because it suppresses their competition.

  2. Exactly, Hallowed Be. People are actually FOR fascism*. They want a private economy controlled by government.

    ‘vigorous regulatory frameworks that attack what the mob wants attacked’

    FIFY

    *Fascism (n): strong, autocratic central control of a private economy.

  3. Quite. Has anyone ever written a rational defence of trade unions given modern day anti-trust legislation?

  4. Trade Unions are just perfectly ordinary compnaies offering services to their members.

    However, they seem to have a number of powers no longer relevant.

    So the fix is simple:

    – remove any and all regulations specifically targeting trades unions, along ensuring that contracts which change of status render null and void are noted as null and void
    – make sure (if this doesn’t fix it) that they’re perfectly respectable (ha!) perfectly ordinary companies
    – make sure to consider how they be attacked and fined for breaches of monopoly law
    – hold them responsible financially for their acts

    Might be fun…

  5. What’s that thing about the left being the actual conservatives?

    Why did unions exist? Because people generally lacked mobility. They worked down t’pit, t’mill. Places a bike ride from where they worked. They acted *against* monopoly employers exploiting them by being able to walk out and stop production.

    Once you got cars in the late 1970s, people could tell the boss to sod off and go elsewhere. You got an open labour market, an end to jobs for life.

    It’s why unions love the NHS. If you had a load of competing hospitals, each outbidding each other for the best nurses and doctors, why do you need a union?

  6. BoM4 – Yarp. And I’m trying to think of an example of the trade unions being on the right side of any issue in my lifetime and I’m drawing a blank.

    Maybe the European Community? And that’s going back a bloody long while.

  7. @Hallowed Be

    I doubt Hutton has the intelligence to realise that.

    I’d bet he’s in favour of closed shops too.

    @BOM4

    Correct

  8. These things are the role of government?

    Not defence, civil and otherwise?

    I mean, yunno, getting back to something like first principles, before decadent rent-seekers had a chance to breathe.

  9. Pox on the fuckers, burn it all down to ashes see what happens, my assets are off-shore mostly anyway, my real assets are hidden well, let’s see who emerges from the fucking ruins. I dare you. I double dare you. Shalom!

  10. Pcar – Bloody hell.

    I preferred the lefty Hitch, partly because he was clever and witty. But mostly because he wasn’t an insufferable Eeyore like his brother, who seems very much like the guy whose girlfriend would get stolen at a party by Zaphod Beeblebrox.

    It’s more than a bit lacking in self-awareness of Peter to claim he used to love anything. Guy’s the living embodiment of Karma Police by Radiohead, played by a clinically fed-up clown on a broken kazoo. On a rainy Sunday. In Skegness. He makes the most miserly, dour-faced Scotsman look like a ray of sunshine accompanied by the Hallelujah chorus by comparison.

    If we’re going to learn anything from Trump, how about this: cheer the fuck up.

    Conservatives have been losing since what seems like forever because they seem to prefer wallowing in misery while being technically right (“the best kind of right!” – Mark Corrigan) to taking little wins where they can find them and moving the ball towards the goal line.

    God’s wounds, man! Imagine if Hitch had made the St Crispin’s Day speech at Agincourt. We’d all be wearing berets and cheating on our wives by now.

    It’s the Edmund Blackadder versus Lord Flashheart dichotomy of the English character. Yes, Blackadder is a Clever Boy, much good it does him. But Flashy is the one who does heroic stuff and pulls the birds. Who’d you rather be?

    So… Woof!

  11. @Steve

    Hitchens too negative? Yes and No*. Frequently correct? Yes

    Trump: Be positive. Talk up. Implement up

    Johnson: Be positive. Talk up. Implement prevarication, fudge or opposite

    * I too visited 10 Downing Street closed as a child, Mr Plod pinched my school cap for PM to try on – while dad took photos

  12. Election Watch – Your Say

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    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/tcw-election-watch/

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  13. “It’s more than a bit lacking in self-awareness of Peter to claim he used to love anything. Guy’s the living embodiment of Karma Police by Radiohead, played by a clinically fed-up clown on a broken kazoo. On a rainy Sunday. In Skegness. He makes the most miserly, dour-faced Scotsman look like a ray of sunshine accompanied by the Hallelujah chorus by comparison.

    If we’re going to learn anything from Trump, how about this: cheer the fuck up.

    Conservatives have been losing since what seems like forever because they seem to prefer wallowing in misery while being technically right (“the best kind of right!” – Mark Corrigan) to taking little wins where they can find them and moving the ball towards the goal line.”

    Not voting is utterly miserabilist.

    Anyone who says voting makes no difference has been asleep for the past decade. The result of the 2010 election was a coalition because a lot of marginals were not won by the Conservatives because of people voting UKIP. This led to the promise of a referendum in the 2015 Conservative manifesto. We then had a referendum where the people voted against the establishment. The results of the European elections gave the Conservatives enough of a fright that they fired May. And one result of this election coming is that the lying ex-Conservatives are all going to get fired.

    Why does every party have a triple lock on pensions? Because pensioners vote in massive numbers.

    And it’s a crude system, things take a long time, but there really is nothing better. Your vote generally is one of thousands or millions. If you lose, so be it.

  14. Unions have historically agitated for full employment. But in historic times of full employment when you could walk out of the door of one steel works and straight into another steel works, why did you need unions to enable that?

  15. I’ve just finished writing our first election-period leaflet, and on the way home listening to the radio realised that at least three other parties have identical policies, our leaflet could come from anybody.

  16. If you belong to a union, you may fondly imagine you are being paid the same as the average worker.
    False.
    You are being paid the same rate as the worst worker.

  17. Bloke in North Dorset

    Unions were useful when companies had large workforces all doing roughly the same job. They also had a role to play in some jobs such as teaching where they provided insurance and legal protection.

    Then they got taken over by those who’s political agenda was more important than their member’s daily lives. The rest is history.

    On a side note …. Remainers claiming that we shouldn’t leave because of the economic hit would mostly support a worker’s right to strike, taking an economic hit in the expectation that life will be better in the future.

  18. I fail to understand anyone who says they will not vote in protest at the failure thus far to pull Brexit off.

    If everybody who wants Brexit takes this silly and juvenile approach we will be left with a Parliament elected by traitorous wankers, quangocrats, teat-suckers, public sector leeches, liars, frauds, dreamers, nose-studded children with blue hair and socialists of one stripe or another. And it’s only a notch or more on the ratchet and we’re stuck with them forever.

    I despise the modern Conservative party but it still just about contains some people of sense and decency, whereas all of the other parties are rammed full of conspirators against the people, and thus I don’t see that I currently have much choice.

  19. Interested,

    “I despise the modern Conservative party but it still just about contains some people of sense and decency, whereas all of the other parties are rammed full of conspirators against the people, and thus I don’t see that I currently have much choice.”

    It’s the least worst option. And if you want to make it better, join and select the sort of candidates you want, volunteer for the candidates you prefer. I know a campaigner who refuses to help wets. She walks miles for right-wingers.

    This is the best time in a long time to be a classic liberal in the Conservative Party.

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