An interesting claim

Legal action is being launched in a dispute between the National Theatre and a group of lesbian claimants.

A group of women claim their human rights were violated when they were refused service at a theatre bar in July this year.

They allege they were turned away for sporting t-shirts with definitions, including “Lesbian – noun – a woman who loves other women”, before being confronted and asked to leave by security.

The counterclaim is that they were shouty, bolshie and just not nice to have in a bar. It’s the detail of the lezzie claim that’s fun though:

In legal documents seen by The Telegraph, it is claimed that the lesbian women were turned away due to staff feeling their t-shirts would offend a transgender colleague.

The mind boggles really. Probably the answer here being people who are offended by t-shirts shouldn’t work in a public bar…..

24 thoughts on “An interesting claim”

  1. The odd thing here is the idea that the trans colleague *would* be offended by that definition. Presumably said colleague identifies as a woman who is therefore capable of being a lesbian. The identarians must surely soon realise the cis-sane have better things to do than keep up with their shifting, pointless obsessions? Or is our amused attention the point of it all — being better from their point of view than the inattention their relevance deserves?

  2. “The identarians must surely soon realise the cis-sane have better things to do than keep up with their shifting, pointless obsessions?”

    They do. Which merely emboldens them, because they know they won’t meet too much resistance.

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    A group of women claim their human rights were violated when they were refused service at a theatre bar in July this year.

    Attention seekers gain attention, film at 11.

    This is an interesting one, their (claimed) human rights clash with the legal requirement to maintain an orderly house where alcohol is served.

    But ….

    it is claimed that the lesbian women were turned away due to staff feeling their t-shirts would offend a transgender colleague

    Its not even clear that the trannie was offended, it appears to be others taking part in that peculiar British pastime of taking offence on behalf of other people, whether they were offended or not.

  4. Steve: After we leave the EU, can we send the trannies back to Transylvania?

    No and there’s a quip to be made there that is too repulsive for a family blog.

  5. Steve
    To Transylvania? I vote for Transatlantis.

    Unless they changed the law, I understand the landlord can refuse service to anyone, without giving a reason.

  6. @ RichardT

    So, society is better for allowing Travellers to not pay for drinks, cause fights and wreck the pub rather than tell them to Sod Off in the first place. Any assumption that they are not going to commit normal Pikey behaviour is crass stupidity for the sake of it.

    We’re at peak stupid right now. Just wait until thieves and rapists start to self-identify as Gypsies and claim is just part of their culture.

  7. “human rights clash with the legal requirement”

    ‘Human rights’ is a philosophy. It could be in the constitution. But it requires laws to enforce. ‘Human rights’ is not enforceable.

    In the U.S., it’s the difference between the 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act.

  8. Gamecock, in the UK the Human Rights Act is regarded as pervasive, so that all other law has to be interpreted and applied so as to conform with “Human Rights” – so far as possible, but the judges will stretch their interpretations a very long way.

  9. Ouch. What a mess. So harpies claiming their human rights were violated has legal standing, if a judge agrees?

    Could you claim that Starbucks coffee is a human right?

  10. We once left a restaurant because of the noise that a coven of lesbians was creating. It wasn’t their lesbianity that we objected to but the din.

    Similarly we have left a College dining hall because of the din made by two groups of students. (One Chinese, one American, both all male.) Coorse buggers, both lots; adults screaming like tots in a tantrum.

  11. RichardT,

    “JD Wetherspoon was ordered to pay £3,000 to each of 8 claimants when they were refused entry to the Coronet in Holloway following a Traveller Movement conference. The manager had hired security staff to stand outside the pub on the day of the conference. The Judge said that the manager’s reaction had been “irrational” and had been “suffused with the stereotypical thinking that Irish Travellers and English Gypsies cause trouble wherever they go”.”

    Because generally, that’s how they behave. It’s part-and-parcel of being a traveller. It’s like hire cars. People don’t give a fuck how they treat a hire car because tomorrow, it ain’t theirs. Travellers don’t have to be good neighbours, because they fuck off soon after and even if they leave with the new trees the council planted, no-one is going to pursue them. People are just glad they’re rid, and put in some countermeasures to stop them coming back.

    I mean, maybe there’s some honest tinker who just lives that lifestyle and doesn’t cause trouble, but outside of BBC dramas, has anyone met one?

    Racism against blacks disappeared because people gradually got evidence that changed their opinions. Great black footballers, black doctors, maybe a black guy came around and did a good job on your boiler. It’s been 30 years since Viz wrote “The Thieving Gypsy Bastards” and has anyone changed their minds about them?

  12. o, society is better for allowing Travellers to not pay for drinks, cause fights and wreck the pub rather than tell them to Sod Off in the first place. Any assumption that they are not going to commit normal Pikey behaviour is crass stupidity for the sake of it.

    We’re at peak stupid right now. Just wait until thieves and rapists start to self-identify as Gypsies and claim is just part of their culture.

    It isn’t stupidity, it is malice. Don’t believe for a moment that Proggies would let travellers anywhere near their places, but they are perfectly happy for them to fuck up pubs, because the aim of Progressivism is to rub the noses of ordinary society in the shit at every possible opportunity, for no reason other than they want to.

  13. Anon

    “People don’t give a fuck how they treat a hire car because tomorrow, it ain’t theirs.”
    reminds me of one of my wife’s favourite joke:

    Q “What is the difference between a 4×4 and a hire car?”
    A “A hire car goes anywhere”.

  14. Bloke in Lower Hutt

    Anon – Ironically, in the autobiography of the editor of Viz comic, the chap talks about getting hauled in front of the ECHR for publishing the strip ‘The Thieving Gypsy Bastards’, the issue following the case containined an apology and a new strip ‘Those Loveable Travellers Next Door’ which was added to meet the courts ruling that they had to address the balance or some such nonsense.

  15. There are country pubs that have gotten into trouble for trying to ban hunt saboteurs.
    One put up a no vegetarians sign I think

  16. Anecdotal, but In my experience the LG bit of LGBT+ is starting to get very fed up with the Trans crowd, I sense an interesting civil war brewing hopefully

  17. “. . . due to staff feeling their t-shirts would offend a transgender colleague.”

    I would think that that is a pretty thin excuse.

    Since the transgender think claiming to be a woman (or man) is enough to be a woman (or man) then a man (or woman) who says he’s a woman (or man) and that she’s (or he’s) attracted to women (or men) is a lesbian (or gay). That t-shirt would, in no way, challenge current LGBTQ orthodoxy.

    Why are you always goin’ on about women Stan?

  18. @philip December 8, 2019 at 11:03 am
    Unless they changed the law, I understand the landlord can refuse service to and eject anyone, without giving a reason

    Spot on. The mistake many make is giving a reason; however, in some cases admission then ejection is a better choice. Discrimination: try being a biker.

    @JRichardT

    Did JD Wetherspoon’s appeal?

    @BniC December 8, 2019 at 7:57 pm

    +1 There is a Stonewall breakaway group which is LGB only

    imo the Trans activist mob is damaging public acceptance/tolerance of TS/TVs

  19. I read ‘due to staff feeling their t-shirts’ three times before I realized that you were using feeling as a synonym for believing, not as a synonym for touching.

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