For we are righteous

Calls grow to stop Boris Johnson with tactical voting as race tightens
Eleventh-hour appeal to anti-Tory voters as poll shows Conservative majority halved

Tactical voting is a good thing

Cosy stitch-up’ by Farage and Tories makes it hard for us to win, says Jo Swinson
Lib Dem leader attacks Brexit party’s move to stand down in some seats but still hopes for gains

Tactical voting is a bad thing

Bless, eh?

22 thoughts on “For we are righteous”

  1. The calls […] come as a major poll suggests Johnson’s likely majority has been cut in half in the last two weeks – from 82 a fortnight ago to just 40 with four days to polling day.

    Desire to know more intensifies.

    The analysis of almost 30,000 voters, for the pro-EU Best for Britain campaign, also finds that

    Oh, it’s an advertorial.

    Anyway, you know how only racist, far-Right, anti-Semitical hatey hatemongers think George Soros is an evil little trickster-goblin long overdue the eternal ERM of the Bad Fire?

    What is Best for Britain – and is there a ‘secret plot’ to thwart Brexit?
    This article is more than 1 year old
    Pro-remain group, boosted by £400,000 donation from George Soros, launches fundraiser

    Feed him to the pigs, Errol.

  2. Allthegoodnamesaretaken

    Meanwhile the Lib Dem candidate in Canterbury has stood down and publicly endorsed the Labour Candidate. Tactical much?

  3. I was horrified to find the Grauniad story on “Tactical voting guide 2019: the 50 seats where it is vital to keep the Tories out” on the top of the front page of Google News this morning.

    Not surprised though. Leftwing bias is everywhere nowadays.

  4. The polls are fixed by remainiacs and leftscum. But they can only be fixed so much.

    Labour has done everything it can to fuck up its own chances. The list of stupid policies is amazing.. They are hoping remainiac trash can do it for them

    Today McNasty confirmed votes for 16 yr olds and EU foreigners if ZaNu wins. A rigged 2nd vote with a rigged choice and a rigged vote force. Which will also be used to ensure Jizz and his gang can never be voted out.

    I hope any BXP holdouts still on here realise that a gesture vote or abstention will bring Jizz and the gang. And please forget about “5 years of socialist shock to get it out of the system” crap. If Jizz gets in he is fixing the voters to ensure he can NEVER be voted out and if by some miracle he is –he won’t go anyway. Labour have already shown their utter contempt for democratic votes.

    I still reckon Johnson will win.

  5. Ecks,

    “I hope any BXP holdouts still on here realise that a gesture vote or abstention will bring Jizz and the gang.”

    One could suggest that most people reading this site are intelligent / individuals / capable of thinking through whatever it is they need to or want to…

    In addition, as pointed out before, unless you live in a marginal, you do in fact have a completely free vote. If one lives in a marginal, it’s normally a two way choice between whoever the two main competitors are (ie, no point voting Con in a tight Lib Dem / Lab marginal when one of them might be almost normal and the other is “yet another fucking lunatic”). Again most people reading this blog understand that?

    Otherwise, I agree, and similarly re Boris whatever the polls say. It’s totally different from May, and I simply can’t allow myself to believe that this country is collectively stupid enough to allow a pair of communist traitors, anti-Semites and terrorist sympathisers anywhere near the keys to No 10.

  6. PF: “In addition, as pointed out before, unless you live in a marginal, you do in fact have a completely free vote.”

    Excellent point — although perhaps it could be stated more bluntly: most of us live in “safe” seats where our vote is meaningless; it has zero impact on the result of the election.

    Occasionally, voting can make a substantial difference. The case that comes to mind is when, after many years of trying, sufficient numbers of voters switched from Labour to SNP to completely change the political complexion of a country. However, that kind of switch is a once-in-several-generations event. For most of the time, tribal voting delivers whatever Tory or Labour chancer the insiders have selected. And we call this “representative government”!

    Universal suffrage democracy has failed. Some day, We the People will have to face up to this.

  7. Up to a point, PF. But:

    1. if the GE results in a hung Parliament, the total number of votes cast for a party may well influence HM’s decision about whom to invite to form a government. So every Conservative vote counts.

    2. there’s no such thing as an “almost normal” ilLiberal unDemocrat, never mind a Labourite: both are vile.

    3. this election is in part a referendum on Brexit, so vote for a brexit-supporting party is essential.

  8. Theo

    Reasonable enough, but:

    1) It’ll be the number of MPs that Brenda will consider first, rather than % vote.

    2) It’s mostly a fair cop (!) but there are a number of exceptions. Woodcock in Barrow in 2017, just one example. Refuted Jezza completely (on Trident especially) and to the extent that subsequently he resigned the whip and is now urging Barrow to vote for the Conservative chap in 2019. He was up against a Con in 2017, but had that been a Green (or something even more putrid), and I had been in such a constituency, I might have voted accordingly. Etc. I take your point to some extent.

    3) Maybe not if that extra MP shifted the balance in Parliament (even subtly) more in the direction that I wanted and I was in the rare position to influence that? But if you are right, then of course, you are in effect recommending that I should vote for the Brexit Party (the real McCoy) instead of Conservative in such an example….

  9. Tactical voting is something that voters do. The clue is in the word “voting”. The “stitch-up” is something that is being done by the parties and their candidates and is not tactical voting. You might call it “tactical candidacy”. In this case it prevents voters chosing betwen a Brexit party candidate and a Tory candidate, which is a pretty astonishing thing for the Brexit party to be involved in, considering that Nigel Farage had been saying that the Johnson deal was not Brexit. Of course, it’s possible that Nigel does not trust the voters to cast their votes in a manner which gets them what they want.

  10. @Mr Ecks

    Malcolm Rifkind’s former constituency – boundaries gerrymandered beyond belief

    GE 2017: SNP 35.6% Con 33.4%

    GE 2019: Yougov MRP: SNP 33%-55% Con 19%-35%

    Voting TPB instead of Tory won’t change outcome

    .
    Delers nails it – nobody to vote for

    The Brexit Party – especially after the most recent shenanigans in which four of its star players resigned – is probably going to do squat in the reduced number of seats it’s contesting. Which makes this election a bit like going to a restaurant where there’s only one item you fancy on the generally disappointing menu and being told: ‘Chef says it’s off’.

    It used to be said of Farage in his UKIP days that he was leading the Conservative Party in exile, as opposed to the grisly, treacherous, sell-out Vichy Conservatives in Westminster. The same, up to a point, could be said of the Brexit Party, which in its all-too-brief heyday brimmed with the kind of talents who, in a parallel and much more desirable universe, are now serving on the Conservative Party front bench.

    I’m thinking of Jacob Rees-Mogg’s sounder sibling Annunziata; Thatcherite smoked salmon entrepreneur Lance Forman; punchy big kid Michael Heaver; charming and thoughtful former lads’ mag editor Martin Daubney, and wild card Claire Fox. Some reactionary fools might imagine that a former member of the Revolutionary Communist Party who still considers herself a Leftie could never make a good Conservative. But give me Claire any day rather than half the bloodless squishes still infesting the parliamentary Conservative Party, not least because CCHQ – and the selection process – remain in the hands of ‘Heir to Blair’ Cameroons. Claire believes in stuff like liberty and free speech; being a champion of the working class, she’d never agree to a stupid policy such as Net Zero by 2050

    The painful reality in this case, of course, is that the one thing we’re not being offered in this election is the one thing that the majority of us most want: real meaningful Brexit.

    That’s why this is the Hobson’s Choice election: great if you’re a Remainer, because Remain is essentially what all the parties, including the Conservatives, are offering; massively depressing if you’re a Brexiteer, because where, if anywhere, is the beef?

    This, in short, is the election where – yet again – the parties of the Right have pulled their punches. ‘Here’s some very thin gruel,’ they said to those of us of a Thatcherite/libertarian/classical liberal disposition. They can hardly blame us if we’re responding to their offer with so little enthusiasm.

  11. PF,

    “Otherwise, I agree, and similarly re Boris whatever the polls say. It’s totally different from May, and I simply can’t allow myself to believe that this country is collectively stupid enough to allow a pair of communist traitors, anti-Semites and terrorist sympathisers anywhere near the keys to No 10.”

    Lots of people don’t care. As long as they get a nice payrise in their pointless public sector job, or their student loan gets written off, the Jews can fuck off. All these “progressives” really showing their true colours.

    Me, I label anyone who stays in Labour as racist scum. Names are being taken. When Corbyn gets the boot, you don’t get to say “well, of course, I never supported Jeremy Corbyn”. You stood with him. You’re racist scum.

  12. I’m seeing a lot of comments on the lines of “It’s safe to vote against the Conservatives because there’s no chance of Labour getting an overall majority, so Jezza as PM will be constrained by those nice women Swinson and Sturgeon”. I generally point out that they need to review the history of Marxist administrations during (and after) the 20th century.

  13. PF,

    That said, Corbyn won’t win. Best case, it’ll be a hung parliament with Boris as PM working with the orangemen again. But I think it’ll be a decent majority. Big enough that Boris can just tell any rebels to fuck off, with no ill effect.

    One thing I suspect is that Labour’s support is growing where they’re already strong. Bigger majorities in London and Liverpool. All the feedback I’m getting from Conservatives canvassing marginals in the provinces is that people hate him and no-one is switching to Labour.

    I went for a big win in Timmy’s predictions, but the LDs have fucked it.

  14. Bloke in North Dorset

    The Conservative Party’s share in the onion polls has held up over the past few weeks and there’s nothing left to squeeze, their big fear is doing something stupid and losing votes. Labour has narrowed the gap because the LibDem vote has collapsed. It appears that he personality cult of Jo Swinson’s LibDems and Revoke A50 are toxic and that strategy is the worst strategic politics decision since the longest political suicide note of ’82. With a bit of luck Swinson will lose her seat at the GE.

    The real danger is that those traditional Labour voters who are saying they’ll vote Conservative don’t follow through when it comes to making that final mark with pencil in hand and the thought of of their grandfathers and fathers spinning in their graves.

    As to the WA, anyone who thinks it isn’t Brexit isn’t paying attention. Once its implemented we will have to apply to get in and not just Revoke A50. That’s not going to happen for a couple of generations. The rest is detail and trade-offs which will be negotiated next year..

  15. BoM4

    “Big enough that Boris can just tell any rebels to fuck off”

    If the majority is big enough to govern, and larger than any left over “Con rebel remainer” grouping, but smaller than any new “Sparta style” ERG contingent that emerges, whatever that number is (ie so that an ERG group might effectively hold some sway when it comes to the subsequent trade negotiations?), then from my perspective that would easily make up for the absence of any TBP (in the commons) influence?

    They’ve all promised to get the Jan 31st treaty over the line, but after that, a solid ERG contingent might yet strengthen Boris’s hand (“stop him from capitulating”) prior to December 2020?

    “Names are being taken” 🙂

  16. The loonies were putting their hopes on the latest Survation poll, which now shows a 14 point lead.
    I assume that doesn’t include the “shy Tory” effect (nor mass student voting fraud, I imagine). This poll showed a 1% lead in 2017, so was the most accurate then.

    I also saw a remarkable one somewhere claiming working class voting intentions as 48% Tory, 31% Labour, but I’ll take that with a pinch of salt. We all know Labour is now a middle-class, State employee party but I don’t think the working class has woken up to that yet.

  17. I think this is the most important election of my lifetime, certainly of any since I was old enough to vote. Brexit is a major issue, but even more important is the boundary changes. If we get anything tjer than a Tory majority they will never happen, and then you can forget about Brexit, and look forward to votes at 16 and all the rest.

  18. Bloke in North Dorset

    Rob,

    From Matthew Goodwin on Twitter:

    Is Labour still a party of the working class?

    How workers split the week before Cameron won his majority in 2015

    Conservative 29%
    Labour 36%
    LibDem 15%

    How they split today, before Johnson may win his:

    Conservative 48%
    Labour 31%
    Lib Dem 9%

    YouGov data
    #ge2019 #Brexit

    Obviously what they say now and what what they do on Thursday may bear no resemblance to each other.

  19. Re: Rifkind’s former seat

    In Edinburgh South West (was Edinburgh Pentlands), one person does not really have one vote, they have the equivalent of 0.189 votes

    The average UK voter has 1.61x more voting power than voters in Edinburgh South West
    The average UK voter only has the power of 0.305 votes
    http://m.voterpower.org.uk/edinburgh-south-west

    @Rob

    Barry Gardiner admits Labour is the party of working class Public Sector @9m40
    BG “I hope every Labour voter says 5% pay rise for me and every other public sector worker”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSv5fTHCsec

  20. Eleventh-hour appeal to anti-Tory voters as poll shows Conservative majority halved

    Excellent. In most recent elections in Anglo countries, where a party has had a big lead going in and the polls have fallen in the last days before the vote, the margin has been massive.

    I think voters lie about their intentions in the final days to avoid people thinking “It’ll be such a massive win that I won’t bother voting”.

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